US helped Israel with H-bomb - 1980s report declassified

[fanger]

Israel is widely believed to possess nuclear weapons[6][7] and to be the sixth country in the world to have developed them.[1] It is one of four nuclear-armed countries not recognized as a Nuclear Weapons State by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), the others being India, Pakistan and North Korea.[8] Israel maintains a policy known as "nuclear ambiguity" (also known as "nuclear opacity").[9][10] Israel has never officially admitted to having nuclear weapons, instead repeating over the years that it would not be the first country to "introduce" nuclear weapons to the Middle East, leaving ambiguity as to whether it means it will not create, will not disclose, will not make first use of the weapons or possibly some other interpretation of the phrase.[11] The "not be the first" formulation goes back to the Eshkol-Comer memorandum of understanding made between Israel and the United States on March 10, 1965, which contained Israel's written assurance for the first time that it would not be the first to introduce nuclear weapons in the Middle East.[12][13] Israel has refused to sign the NPT despite international pressure to do so, and has stated that signing the NPT would be contrary to its national security interests.
Nuclear weapons and Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
yet Israel has no nuclear power plants.
Nuclear energy in Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Daniyel]

Muslims are unstable and irresponsible - Israel having nukes doesn't mean radicalized Islamic societies should and f!@#$ being fair.

 

[Daniyel]

Israel sees no problem with them having a nuke and trying to prevent Iran from having one. And we wonder why Arabs are pissed at America.....

Obviously they need are in a desperate need for some serious destructive power. and we wonder what would happen if we "allow" them.. like they actually give much a damn anyway.

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

I don't see anything in the report that suggests that: "U.S. knew that Israel had nuclear weapons in 1987."

dilloduck, et al,

Hypocrisy (the practice of engaging in the same behavior for which Israel criticizes anothers) is not at issue. The US cannot deny it has such weapons as the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) addresses; they have been tested and used.

Same old question that's been posed a million times. Why the hypocrisy ?

(COMMENT)

Israel has a policy of, what some would consider, being deliberately ambiguous; it neither confirms nor denies that is has a nuclear weapons program. The Israeli position is legal and has political strategies, approaches and policies in an endeavor aimed at nation stability and defense.

• Israel's policy does not mean it is opposed to non-proliferation.
• Israel is not opposed to the move towards disarmament by other nations.
• And Israel's policy does not run counter to the theory that all countries can access peaceful nuclear technology.

But Israel will act and conduct itself in a way that is to their own best interest. Israel does not need to become a treaty member to hold these basic tenants. To date, Israel has not been the object of substantiated allegations that they are engaged in unsanctioned nuclear activity.

Most Respectfully,
R

The report demonstrates that the U.S. knew that Israel had nuclear weapons in 1987, and that the U.S. Government broke the law in contravention of the Symington Amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961.

And, of course Israel's policy runs counter to non-proliferation, Israel proliferated.

Interesting that this was exposed now, timed to coincide with the conclusion (successful or not) of the negotiations with Iran. But I am sure Rocco agrees that Iran should also "act and conduct itself in a way that is to their own best interest". And with a nuclear Israel nearby, by that does not hesitate to attack, invade and occupy nearby countries, e.g. Lebanon, Iran must consider the danger they would their population in without a robust deterrent or guarantees from a nuclear power, e.g. Russia/China/France to provide the deterrent.

(COMMENT)

In fact it almost says the opposite.

Most Respectfully,
R

You really should read the darn link:

""It's our basic position that in 1987 the Department of Defense discovered that Israel had a nuclear weapons program, detailed it and then has covered it up for 25 years in violation of the Symington and Glenn amendments, costing $86 billion,”

 

[dilloduck]

Muslims are unstable and irresponsible - Israel having nukes doesn't mean radicalized Islamic societies should and f!@#$ being fair.

War is the obvious answer. Does anyone really think they are going to talk Iran out of having one ? Israel wants war--let them have it.

 

[elektra]

1965, seems that is when the democrats had complete control.

Funny, no mention of France. Any student of Israel knows it was the French who worked with Israel to build nuclear power and bombs.

 

[montelatici]

So, both France and the U.S. helped proliferate nuclear weapons.

 

[Jroc]

Israel is widely believed to possess nuclear weapons[6][7] and to be the sixth country in the world to have developed them.[1] It is one of four nuclear-armed countries not recognized as a Nuclear Weapons State by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), the others being India, Pakistan and North Korea.[8] Israel maintains a policy known as "nuclear ambiguity" (also known as "nuclear opacity").[9][10] Israel has never officially admitted to having nuclear weapons, instead repeating over the years that it would not be the first country to "introduce" nuclear weapons to the Middle East, leaving ambiguity as to whether it means it will not create, will not disclose, will not make first use of the weapons or possibly some other interpretation of the phrase.[11] The "not be the first" formulation goes back to the Eshkol-Comer memorandum of understanding made between Israel and the United States on March 10, 1965, which contained Israel's written assurance for the first time that it would not be the first to introduce nuclear weapons in the Middle East.[12][13] Israel has refused to sign the NPT despite international pressure to do so, and has stated that signing the NPT would be contrary to its national security interests.
Nuclear weapons and Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
yet Israel has no nuclear power plants.
Nuclear energy in Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Israel has Nukes!!...

 

[HenryBHough]

Why do I find it more comforting that Israel has nukes than that American's Kenyan Emperor insists Iran does NOT have any?

 

[montelatici]

I have no comfort knowing that the maniac Jews have nukes.

 

[elektra]

I have no comfort knowing that the maniac Jews have nukes.

I am with you, 50 years with the bomb, wars and hate, most likely they have been waiting to use it tomorrow.

 

[Daniyel]

1965, seems that is when the democrats had complete control.

Funny, no mention of France. Any student of Israel knows it was the French who worked with Israel to build nuclear power and bombs.

France worked with everyone, including Saddam Hussein.

 

[Daniyel]

Muslims are unstable and irresponsible - Israel having nukes doesn't mean radicalized Islamic societies should and f!@#$ being fair.

War is the obvious answer. Does anyone really think they are going to talk Iran out of having one ? Israel wants war--let them have it.

Its not about 'talking' and it wasn't about talking with the Iranians 2 years ago, its about forcing them the disadvantage of having nukes at all cost since it is obvious they are heading to war and they having nukes is the game changer for them, its about not giving up and not signing a deal which will allow them nukes, the moment they possess one nuke we can no longer control them.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

That is an accusation which is not support by this particular 30 year-old report in the heavily redacted form.

montelatici, et al,

I don't see anything in the report that suggests that: "U.S. knew that Israel had nuclear weapons in 1987."

dilloduck, et al,

Hypocrisy (the practice of engaging in the same behavior for which Israel criticizes anothers) is not at issue. The US cannot deny it has such weapons as the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) addresses; they have been tested and used.

Same old question that's been posed a million times. Why the hypocrisy ?

(COMMENT)

Israel has a policy of, what some would consider, being deliberately ambiguous; it neither confirms nor denies that is has a nuclear weapons program. The Israeli position is legal and has political strategies, approaches and policies in an endeavor aimed at nation stability and defense.

• Israel's policy does not mean it is opposed to non-proliferation.
• Israel is not opposed to the move towards disarmament by other nations.
• And Israel's policy does not run counter to the theory that all countries can access peaceful nuclear technology.

But Israel will act and conduct itself in a way that is to their own best interest. Israel does not need to become a treaty member to hold these basic tenants. To date, Israel has not been the object of substantiated allegations that they are engaged in unsanctioned nuclear activity.

Most Respectfully,
R

The report demonstrates that the U.S. knew that Israel had nuclear weapons in 1987, and that the U.S. Government broke the law in contravention of the Symington Amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961.

And, of course Israel's policy runs counter to non-proliferation, Israel proliferated.

Interesting that this was exposed now, timed to coincide with the conclusion (successful or not) of the negotiations with Iran. But I am sure Rocco agrees that Iran should also "act and conduct itself in a way that is to their own best interest". And with a nuclear Israel nearby, by that does not hesitate to attack, invade and occupy nearby countries, e.g. Lebanon, Iran must consider the danger they would their population in without a robust deterrent or guarantees from a nuclear power, e.g. Russia/China/France to provide the deterrent.

(COMMENT)

In fact it almost says the opposite.

Most Respectfully,
R

You really should read the darn link:

""It's our basic position that in 1987 the Department of Defense discovered that Israel had a nuclear weapons program, detailed it and then has covered it up for 25 years in violation of the Symington and Glenn amendments, costing $86 billion,”

(COMMENT)

In Post #5, I cut and pasted, FROM THE REPORT, the specific entries that counter the basic accusation. The "RT" article (by an unattributed author) did make similar observations. The quotation you have cited from Grant Smith, Director, Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRmep), is a supposition unsupported by the actual redacted report.

Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) is one of two laboratories in the United States (Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory being the other) where classified work towards the design of nuclear weapons. But what it the RT does say is not as important as what it doesn't say; which is just as important. One of the big missions at LANL is to "exercise our abilities in nonproliferation and counterproliferation to interdict the spread of nuclear technology to emerging nuclear states:" and maintain "abilities to protect against unconventional transnational threats and support counterterrorism and emergency response to nuclear related events." Similarly, the Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) is a multiprogram science and technology national laboratory managed by UT-Battelle; focusing on "materials, neutron science, energy, high-performance computing, systems biology and national security." The Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) also does other thing besides weapons research. LLNL is directly involved in the advanced research into "solving other nationally important problems, including energy and environmental security, basic science and economic competitiveness." There should be nothing sinister at all suggesting that Israeli nuclear facilities have some similarities to LANL, LLNL, and ORNL.

To say that Israel has the capability to create nuclear weapons, is nothing spectacular either. Nearly ever NATO member nation has the knowledge and technology to build nuclear weapons. Australia, Canada. Germany, Japan and the Netherlands all have the potential to begin developing thermonuclear weapons. The ability is much different than the reality. Grant Smith is sensationalizing by inferences made, that are not in evidence. Whether or not the US has classified knowledge of a possible nuclear weapons arsenal in Israel is not advanced in the slightest by his unremarkable commentary.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's upcoming March 3 speech in front of the US Congress, in which he will oppose any deal that allows Iran's legal nuclear program to persist

And when they say sorry after detonating a 100 megaton device over Tel Aviv you will accept that and say what about the dead and dying Jews. Then what will you say about the retaliation from Israel and Iran is turned into nuclear glass.

"This is a great day for the Air Defense Forces, for the Air Force, the defense establishment and, I would say, for the State of Israel. As of today, we have completed the acceptance of the only weapon system of its kind in the entire world. We are the first to succeed in developing, building and operating a defense system against ballistic missiles" --- IAF talking about the Arrow ABM system.

Have faith, Phoney....

I do have faith that Israel will still be getting up your nose in 20 years time, and still stopping the arab muslims from taking over Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

Iran — which is routinely inspected by the International Atomic Energy Administration, has signed the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (unlike the Middle East’s only nuclear power, Israel), and is complying with the interim agreement negotiated with the United States and other powers — has not sought nuclear weapons. American and Israeli intelligence agencies agree" Israel, which stole U.S. nuclear technology, is the real problem and will continue to promote war if U.S. politicians are stupid enough to support them.

So they say, but I don't believe them as they practise kithman and taqiya

 

[Phoenall]

Israel sees no problem with them having a nuke and trying to prevent Iran from having one. And we wonder why Arabs are pissed at America.....

So you consider the muslims to be rational human beings do you. Even after Iranian ministers have promised to use their first nuclear weapon on Israel, no matter the cost to the muslims in other countries.

 

[dilloduck]

Then Israel should use one of it's nukes and blow Iran off the map. That sounds rational don't you think ?

 

[Daniyel]

Then Israel should use one of it's nukes and blow Iran off the map. That sounds rational don't you think ?

Sadly that is where we heading when Iran insists to have nukes, when they wish to take the 'possible ' upcoming war to a level of nukes it can end up with Israel nuking Iran, because otherwise we are in a huge defensive disadvantage as Jihadism can ignite a series of world scale nuking.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"US helped Israel with H-bomb - 1980s report declassified"

Obviously there was little point in 'classifying' it; this was among the worst-kept 'secrets' of the 20th Century.