US govt's reaction to a US company having to pay tax is another country...

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Business Live: White House 'concern' over Apple ruling - BBC News

Apple have been told to pay €13bn ($14.5bn) to Ireland, who say they don't want Apple's money, by the EU.

Ireland is a country that suffered quite a lot during the recession and could probably ill afford to lose €13bn. However the Irish govt seems to have been bought by big business.

All that's happened here is the EU says it's illegal to charge one company one tax rate, and another company another tax rate. In other words Apple should have been playing 12% tax in Ireland just like everyone else, instead it managed to get a 1% tax rate.

But this is how the US reacted.

Paul Ryan said it was "awful". "This is precisely the kind of unpredictable and heavy-handed taxation that kills jobs and opportunity,"

Yeah, 12% tax for a company that can EASILY pay this tax, kills jobs, but for other companies in Ireland it's just an every day thing. When most people are paying far more tax than this, why is Apple not paying tax?

John Earnest said it's unfair to the US taxpayer that an American company has to pay taxes in another country.

"We are concerned about a unilateral approach ... that threaten to undermine progress that we have made collaboratively with the Europeans to make the international taxation system fair,"

He talks about a fair system of tax, and that most companies paying 12% and Apple paying 1% appears to him to be fair, whereas Apple paying the same as everyone is, apparently, UNFAIR.



Now the question here is, who runs the governments? It appears they'll roll over for large corporations who can pay the tax and give them an unfair competitive advantage against smaller companies. You get people like Trump and Hillary saying they'd help smaller companies, but it appears that larger companies are always going to do better as they just threaten to leave a country and move somewhere else.

So, what should be done about this? In the US it's a massive problem with states and cities all competing against each other. What the EU has done is basically say this is wrong (and it is wrong) and that states should act fairly with all companies in their country (which is right).
 
Business Live: White House 'concern' over Apple ruling - BBC News

Apple have been told to pay €13bn ($14.5bn) to Ireland, who say they don't want Apple's money, by the EU.

Ireland is a country that suffered quite a lot during the recession and could probably ill afford to lose €13bn. However the Irish govt seems to have been bought by big business.

All that's happened here is the EU says it's illegal to charge one company one tax rate, and another company another tax rate. In other words Apple should have been playing 12% tax in Ireland just like everyone else, instead it managed to get a 1% tax rate.

But this is how the US reacted.

Paul Ryan said it was "awful". "This is precisely the kind of unpredictable and heavy-handed taxation that kills jobs and opportunity,"

Yeah, 12% tax for a company that can EASILY pay this tax, kills jobs, but for other companies in Ireland it's just an every day thing. When most people are paying far more tax than this, why is Apple not paying tax?

John Earnest said it's unfair to the US taxpayer that an American company has to pay taxes in another country.

"We are concerned about a unilateral approach ... that threaten to undermine progress that we have made collaboratively with the Europeans to make the international taxation system fair,"

He talks about a fair system of tax, and that most companies paying 12% and Apple paying 1% appears to him to be fair, whereas Apple paying the same as everyone is, apparently, UNFAIR.



Now the question here is, who runs the governments? It appears they'll roll over for large corporations who can pay the tax and give them an unfair competitive advantage against smaller companies. You get people like Trump and Hillary saying they'd help smaller companies, but it appears that larger companies are always going to do better as they just threaten to leave a country and move somewhere else.

So, what should be done about this? In the US it's a massive problem with states and cities all competing against each other. What the EU has done is basically say this is wrong (and it is wrong) and that states should act fairly with all companies in their country (which is right).

Exactly. It's unfortunate how few people understand this.

The only problem I have with it is the retroactive nature of the resolution. Ireland's government is responsible for breaking the rules, not Apple. Given that large corporations actively negotiate for these kinds of privileges, I'm not up in arms about it. But just as government shouldn't be allowed to sell-out equal protection in the name of promoting business, they shouldn't be allowed to arbitrarily target deep pockets as a remedy.
 
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Now the question here is, who runs the governments? It appears they'll roll over for large corporations who can pay the tax and give them an unfair competitive advantage against smaller companies. You get people like Trump and Hillary saying they'd help smaller companies, but it appears that larger companies are always going to do better as they just threaten to leave a country and move somewhere else.

If they leave the country, their money is good for influencing politics all the same.

I have no doubt that when Burger King moved to Canada, their lobbyists did not come with them.
 
There is no fair taxation.

Only tolerable taxation among the complacent majority.
 
Basically Ireland lied to Apple to induce them to move their and bring all the high paying jobs along with the move
 
Fair taxation exists. If Apple pay 1% and another company pays 12%, that's not fair.

Mark my words.

There is no fair taxation.

All tax policies are implemented with elements of discrimination in mind. What exactly that discrimination constitutes varies from case to case.
 
Fair taxation exists. If Apple pay 1% and another company pays 12%, that's not fair.

Mark my words.

There is no fair taxation.

All tax policies are implemented with elements of discrimination in mind. What exactly that discrimination constitutes varies from case to case.

Well, it's all a matter of opinion, isn't it. So.... you have your opinion, I have mine.
 
Well, it's all a matter of opinion, isn't it. So.... you have your opinion, I have mine.

It is a matter of fact.

If all tax policies are discriminatory, then no tax polices are fair.

The "I am entitled to my opinion" argument is among the worst fallacies that can be committed.
 
Fair taxation exists. If Apple pay 1% and another company pays 12%, that's not fair.

Mark my words.

There is no fair taxation.

All tax policies are implemented with elements of discrimination in mind. What exactly that discrimination constitutes varies from case to case.

This is like the "there is no freedom" nonsense the statists like to throw at libertarians.

Slice it however you like, but we can choose to make taxation more fair, or less. Are you suggesting we give up and indulge those who want to use taxation as an all-purpose arm twisting tool for government?
 
Pay up.

All companies want the best deal to operate, but no more 'free rides'. Apple's tax rate equated to $500 in taxes for every million dollars. That's ridiculous!
 
This is like the "there is no freedom" nonsense the statists like to throw at libertarians.

There is no freedom within the state.

That is also a fact.

Slice it however you like, but we can choose to make taxation more fair, or less.

If you agree that there is no fair taxation, then you agree with the position I just took.

I do not care for trying to make things more or less evil. The only fair taxation is no taxation, which therefore makes no taxation the only moral means to any moral end.

Are you suggesting we give up and indulge those who want to use taxation as an all-purpose arm twisting tool for government?

No, and nothing I said justifies that misrepresentation.
 
If it is "fact" as you claim, your "fact" should be easy for you to "prove". Go ahead.

I could hypothetically go through a list of every tax policy in existence, but that would take forever and would not be an easy task.

Tell me any tax policy you believe is fair, and I will prove it is not.
 
All companies want the best deal to operate, but no more 'free rides'. Apple's tax rate equated to $500 in taxes for every million dollars. That's ridiculous!




What the fuck!!!!! You and I agreeing? And you and all the independents and democrats on here agreeing? You better be careful, owebo and rayray are gonna be pissed and may take away your republican label.
 
This is like the "there is no freedom" nonsense the statists like to throw at libertarians.

There is no freedom within the state.

That is also a fact.

Slice it however you like, but we can choose to make taxation more fair, or less.

If you agree that there is no fair taxation, then you agree with the position I just took.

I do not care for trying to make things more or less evil. The only fair taxation is no taxation, which therefore makes no taxation the only moral means to any moral end.

Yep. In the mean time, in the real world, we have an opportunity to make things better or sit on the sidelines pouting until our ideal is adopted wholesale.

Are you suggesting we give up and indulge those who want to use taxation as an all-purpose arm twisting tool for government?

No, and nothing I said justifies that misrepresentation.

Then what point are you trying to make? You seem to be arguing against the premise of the thread.
 
Wilbur, sometimes Libs need to stop TELLING people what they think and instead LISTEN to what people think. They would often learn we don't disagree on as much as they think.

Glad to stand with you on this one.
 
Tell me any tax policy you believe is fair, and I will prove it is not.




Here's how this works. You made a claim, I asked for proof, you can't provide it. That's ok cause your.position is indefensible.

Let me share something with you; death and taxes, you are not going to cheat either one.

And I can tell you how to avoid paying federal income tax though. Reduce your income to the point where the republicans give away of the EITC has you getting more money back then you paid in. Feel better now?
 
All companies want the best deal to operate, but no more 'free rides'. Apple's tax rate equated to $500 in taxes for every million dollars. That's ridiculous!




What the fuck!!!!! You and I agreeing? And you and all the independents and democrats on here agreeing? You better be careful, owebo and rayray are gonna be pissed and may take away your republican label.

There's actually much more we could be agreeing on. The left-right divide is a distraction.
 
Pay up.

All companies want the best deal to operate, but no more 'free rides'. Apple's tax rate equated to $500 in taxes for every million dollars. That's ridiculous!
It is ridiculous that socialism for the rich gets so much support from people who would destroy the public welfare system out of spite.
 

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