NCAA CBA: Are You Satisfied Now?

[Couchpotato]

It's not like there is no example for football and basketball. The baseball minor leagues have been around for a hundred years, and they do a much better job of nurturing promising baseball players than college coaches do, who have the reputation for ruining more pitchers' arms with overwork than you can count.

Who actually benefits when we have thousands of aspiring athletes cluttering college dorms and classrooms when actual students go wanting?

The rest of the world is right. Their universities are devoted to education...what a concept!

Is there any evidence that universities are turning away students because a member of the football team too their spot?

 

[Unkotare]

Is there any evidence that universities are turning away students because a member of the football team too their spot?

Nope. Quite the contrary.

 

[candycorn]

Irrelevant. The football programs fund themselves.

Not irrelevant at all. It’s a simple yes or no.

Do you think every football team finds itself?

 

[candycorn]

Do you think that UGA fans would give a shit that their school isnt NCAA sanctioned so long as all the big time schools left and grouped together?

This is what I’m saying—sort of. Instead of calling it the University of Georgia, call it “Falcons Juniors”, have the Atlanta Falcons fund it soup to nuts, pay the players, insure them, develop players according to the NFL’s team’s needs etc. get the states out of the football business

 

[Couchpotato]

Not irrelevant at all. It’s a simple yes or no.

Do you think every football team finds itself?

Likely not, but the major programs do as well as funding all the other sports at the school.

This is what I’m saying—sort of. Instead of calling it the University of Georgia, call it “Falcons Juniors”, have the Atlanta Falcons fund it soup to nuts, pay the players, insure them, develop players according to the NFL’s team’s needs etc. get the states out of the football business

So zero public funding for sports. Got it.

All women's sports at the collegiate age level are now gone.

95% of the men's sports at the collegiate age level are now gone.


All girls sports at the HS level are now gone

All boys sports at the HS level are now gone.

In many states sports are supported through the middle school so those too are now gone.

You didnt think this through very well...

 

[candycorn]

Likely not, but the major programs do as well as funding all the other sports at the school.

Most state universities are not “major programs”.

So zero public funding for sports. Got it.

Not what I said.

Here are my quotes:

Hopefully (where there is a professional league to support it) we'll eventually move away from the NCAA and just create a junior league.

Model it after Baseball...have a farm system of paid professionals whose job is to make the parent club better.

All women's sports at the collegiate age level are now gone.

95% of the men's sports at the collegiate age level are now gone.


All girls sports at the HS level are now gone

All boys sports at the HS level are now gone.

In many states sports are supported through the middle school so those too are now gone.

Wow...not only does it sound pretty destructive, such a scenario is completely made up.

You didnt think this through very well...

 

[Couchpotato]

Most state universities are not “major programs”.

Not what I said.

Here are my quotes:

Model it after Baseball...have a farm system of paid professionals whose job is to make the parent club better.

Yeah because no state schools have baseball programs which cost the tax payer shit loads of money. Oh wait.... Or will it be like the the NBA where all the good players just ignore the G league and play in college anyway?

Wow...not only does it sound pretty destructive, such a scenario is completely made up.

So you're fine with the tax payer funding sports which do not nor will they ever generate any revenue and will always just be a drain on the system but a sport which does generate enough money to fund itself and in many cases these other sports which the tax payer will have to fund need to go away?

Brilliant plan.

 

[candycorn]

Yeah because no state schools have baseball programs which cost the tax payer shit loads of money. Oh wait.... Or will it be like the the NBA where all the good players just ignore the G league and play in college anyway?

So you're fine with the tax payer funding sports which do not nor will they ever generate any revenue and will always just be a drain on the system but a sport which does generate enough money to fund itself and in many cases these other sports which the tax payer will have to fund need to go away?

Brilliant plan.

Thanks.

Sports teach kids valuable lessons. It needn’t be monetized. At the same time, it needs to make sense.

 

[candycorn]

Irrelevant. The football programs fund themselves.

FWIW...here is what Google AI says:

 

[candycorn]

Thanks.

Sports teach kids valuable lessons. It needn’t be monetized. At the same time, it needs to make sense.

By "make sense" what I mean is that instead of Arizona State traveling across two time zones to wrestle Wisconsin students...why not limit it to schools within a 300 mile radius...maybe? Or maybe set aside a weekend or two every month where they have a regional tournament where 8-16 schools get together and essentially have a "track meet" except for wrestling...or volleyball...or golf etc... Like maybe meet in Vegas or Phoenix or Salt Lake.

 

[Unkotare]

By "make sense" what I mean is that instead of Arizona State traveling across two time zones to wrestle Wisconsin students...why not limit it to schools within a 300 mile radius...maybe? ...

Most of their meets are in such a radius. At various points in the season there are tournaments at different places. There are dual meets, quad meets, super-quads, tournaments and finally regional championships and nationals. Been that way for a long, loooooooong time.

 

[Couchpotato]

Thanks.

Sports teach kids valuable lessons. It needn’t be monetized. At the same time, it needs to make sense.

Your solution was the baseball model. Baseball has a farm system and yet all these colleges field baseball teams. The NBA has the G league, and yet all these colleges have basketball teams. If the NFL started a "farm system" all the schools that currently have football teams would likely still have football teams. The only result would be they might make less money and therefore suck up more University funds. People cheer for the jersey the players are wearing.

 

[Couchpotato]

FWIW...here is what Google AI says:

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Sure. But they offset huge amounts of their costs. Since they are going to exist whether there is a pro farm system or not (baseball, basketball) sucking talent out of the college system can only lead to it not being as lucrative and thus costing the taxpayer more money.

 

[leftwinger]

It's 10,000-20,000 of them kept "out of trouble" from age 18-20 or so (College football). New batches constantly created right behind. If crime? You don't get to play. More avoid trouble playing HS ball.

At least 85% have no interest in school or ever working a career job. They used to have to pretend a 2.0 GPA? No more, NCAA is now (all) paid minor league football.

Only 1% can go to PRO a few years. 0.1% get 10s' of millions. Then what?

All easily replaced by 4yrs forced Military service. Less overall would end up dumb as hammers in prison.//

 

[Unkotare]

By "make sense" what I mean is that instead of Arizona State traveling across two time zones to wrestle Wisconsin students...why not limit it to schools within a 300 mile radius...maybe? Or maybe set aside a weekend or two every month where they have a regional tournament where 8-16 schools get together and essentially have a "track meet" except for wrestling...or volleyball...or golf etc... Like maybe meet in Vegas or Phoenix or Salt Lake.

Every season we would travel to a big tournament at Coast Guard Academy (that's where I got my eye ripped open by a ragged thumbnail one year). We would also travel to Tampa Bay once a season (whoa, the trouble we got in down there after the wrestling was over). Other than that everything was in the New England region. Most of the traveling I did was for summer tournaments all over the country, but that was on me and some buddies in the off season via whichever one of us had a vehicle capable of making it. After college, I traveled much, much further to wrestle and coach and such.

 

[Couchpotato]

FWIW...here is what Google AI says:

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Not to mention that 99+% of college football players will never see an NFL practice squad let alone regular roster spot. All those student athletes use sports as a vehicle to get an education.

1 million kids play HS football. 80k play at the college level (7ish%) and 20k per class rough numbers as the freshman class is likely closer to 30k and it gets smaller each year as players quit/injured/drop out of school etc. 259 get drafted. That's 1.2 %. Of that 259 on average about 30% make an NFL roster (active and practice) which is about 78 players or .3% of the draft pool. Which means your bitching and moaning about 312 football players playing in any given year in college football who will end up in the NFL.

 

[candycorn]

Not to mention that 99+% of college football players will never see an NFL practice squad let alone regular roster spot. All those student athletes use sports as a vehicle to get an education.

1 million kids play HS football. 80k play at the college level (7ish%) and 20k per class rough numbers as the freshman class is likely closer to 30k and it gets smaller each year as players quit/injured/drop out of school etc. 259 get drafted. That's 1.2 %. Of that 259 on average about 30% make an NFL roster (active and practice) which is about 78 players or .3% of the draft pool. Which means your bitching and moaning about 312 football players playing in any given year in college football who will end up in the NFL.

I think you’re responsing to the wrong person. I haven’t “bitched or moaned” about any players.

I’m saying in the case of football, get the colleges out of NFL pipeline all together. Let the teams have a farm system where they pay the players.

Where there isn’t a viable professional league have the colleges put some safeguards into place where ASU isn’t sending the wrestling team on a 2,000 mile trip to wrestle in 25 matches. Thats nuts.

 

[Couchpotato]

I think you’re responsing to the wrong person. I haven’t “bitched or moaned” about any players.

I’m saying in the case of football, get the colleges out of NFL pipeline all together. Let the teams have a farm system where they pay the players.

Where there isn’t a viable professional league have the colleges put some safeguards into place where ASU isn’t sending the wrestling team on a 2,000 mile trip to wrestle in 25 matches. Thats nuts.

But that won’t solve the problem you are describing. Baseball and basketball are the proof of that. Both have the farm system you describe and colleges still have baseball and basketball programs which pay players and feed into the pro level. (and cost the Universities money) Im not sure where you are getting the idea that creating a "junior league" to pro sports will solve the problem you say exists as it obviously wont.

BTW why do you think the travel budget is what's driving costs?