US Birthrate Continues to Decline

[JohnDB]

 

[Marener]

I think that you are trying to minimize the role A.A. plays becasue you support A.A. and would support it, even if it was demonstrated that A.A. is bad for people and America.

If it is so minor, then you won't mind getting rid of it, just to give me and other cons what we want, since we think it is a huge problem.

Then we can move on to other, supposedly more important issues to discuss.

You made the claim that A.A. is "allowing women to perform roles at the level of their capabilities".

That is you being a complete lying whore.

So, go **** yourself.

I don't know where your experience with affirmative action comes from, but it appears to be divorced from reality. There is not some quota system in the private sector or any requirements to hire women over men.

The fact is that women are filling roles in leadership at higher levels because a lot of women have talent for them.

The manosphere is the only place I have heard this issue discussed seriously. All we get elsewhere is stupid anti-man shit talk from complete ******* assholes like yourself.

You got something smart to say about it, other than ******* lies, then say it now, or go **** yourself.

The manosphere is largely a toxic cesspool of men trying to blame women for as many problems as they can and this reflects your opinions on this board. It's not surprising the extent to which they exclude women's voices in their discussions on what women ought to do, what women ought to believe, and who women ought to obey.

When the manosphere says the problem with the modern world is feminism, you know they're just getting high on their own supply.

Wow. That's some serious deep thinking.

I especially like how you really refuted the point that this issue is more than "fewer couples",

given that NO ONE HAS MADE THAT ARGUMENT.

Your arguments are vague and skeletal, and anytime I've asked you to expand on them, you're reacted with childish anger.

 

[Marener]

That is true. Somewhere, some day, a SINGLE husband might lay down the law like that to his wife.

Meanwhile in the real world, I have never seen any evidence or hint that that is a real, significant factor in the trend of birth rates continuing to decline, ie the TOPIC.

I don't know your demographics, but I doubt that you exist in the dating world of young adults. I'm not trying to say this has much to do with declining birth rates, I'm just responding to your silly argument about how bad feminism is for the world.

GIve me your best high profile example. To support your shocking claim.

Not shocking at all. Conservatives have been calling for more stay at home mothers for a while now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/12/us/politics/republicans-parents-babies-home.html

 

[Correll]

Those below 20% numbers....
It's not just SAD....it's a catastrophe.

What that means is that EVERYONE over the age of 40 but younger than 70 is going to see HORRIBLE repercussions as a result...

We are talking about it requiring a monumental effort just to maintain basic services like electricity, water, and food markets. Nevermind public services like police, trash, fire, airports and etc.

People are going to be the latest commodity....quantity is NEVER going to make up for quality. (Which is the stunt our government just tried to pull off with open borders).

ANYONE with any babies, skills, and desire to come to America is going to be met with open arms....they would throw them a parade at this point...

In order to fix the current coming crisis....those 15% need to have a minimum of 8-12 children or more per household just to maintain the status quo. Zero growth.
Meaning most pensions (including SSDI, SSI, and any private pension held in place with annuities) are gone from lack of growth. (Every retirement plan is based on growth of our nation)

Currently, this is just as important a topic as nukes in Iran....not as immediate but very much just as catastrophic if not dealt with just as immediately.

I get it....nobody really cares about this....
I sound like a weird Chicken Little....doomsday preacher on the sidewalk.

I'm not in all reality. Kinda normal and boring guy....retired from several normal blue collar careers. But this is absolutely frightening. Unless we have a complete 180⁰ turnaround with marriages and children we are looking at very rough days ahead in 20 years. Maybe less....

Humanoid robots? Not a pipe dream but a growing necessity.

Let's not panic. We are at 1.7 per woman. We only need 2.1 to be stable.


And indeed, if we can turn it around, while the rest of the world crashes and burns, this could be the beginning of a SECOND AMERICAN CENTURY.

 

[JohnDB]

I don't know your demographics, but I doubt that you exist in the dating world of young adults. I'm not trying to say this has much to do with declining birth rates, I'm just responding to your silly argument about how bad feminism is for the world.

Not shocking at all. Conservatives have been calling for more stay at home mothers for a while now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/12/us/politics/republicans-parents-babies-home.html

Militant feminism is bad for the world.

It told women that a crappy job and paycheck was better than motherhood and a legacy.

This was how they could be independent and not need a man ever....
But then the mental health diagnoses kept adding up and the epiemic loneliness was everywhere....and women finally wake up to the fact that they have missed out on having a rich life by the time it's too late to start a family....

you have to consider the net results of an ideology after it is condensed into a group of only its adherents and then look at results. And the results are not pretty. Zero success in anything they were told feminism would produce. Less happiness, more generalized anxiety, mental health disorders and no self actualization whatsoever.

And no children....because apparently you need men to have children.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I volunteered my randy-self, but no takers

 

[Correll]

I don't know where your experience with affirmative action comes from, but it appears to be divorced from reality. There is not some quota system in the private sector or any requirements to hire women over men.

The fact is that women are filling roles in leadership at higher levels because a lot of women have talent for them.

So, since it isn't a big thing, your fine with shit canning it?

The manosphere is largely a toxic cesspool of men trying to blame women for as many problems as they can and this reflects your opinions on this board. It's not surprising the extent to which they exclude women's voices in their discussions on what women ought to do, what women ought to believe, and who women ought to obey.

Actually, from what I have seen in the manosphere, they talk to women all the time.

Do you think that Hypergamy is a big problem?

When the manosphere says the problem with the modern world is feminism, you know they're just getting high on their own supply.

OR they could be right.

Your arguments are vague and skeletal, and anytime I've asked you to expand on them, you're reacted with childish anger.

Nope. Not at all. My reaction varies depending on whether I consider the question serious, or a form of shit talk.

And even if that were true, and it's not, that still does not justify you doing something as retarded as looking at a discussion on a single point, and assuming that that is the ONLY point.

That is you being a bad faith actor.

 

[Marener]

Militant feminism is bad for the world.

It told women that a crappy job and paycheck was better than motherhood and a legacy.

This was how they could be independent and not need a man ever....
But then the mental health diagnoses kept adding up and the epiemic loneliness was everywhere....and women finally wake up to the fact that they have missed out on having a rich life by the time it's too late to start a family....

you have to consider the net results of an ideology after it is condensed into a group of only its adherents and then look at results. And the results are not pretty. Zero success in anything they were told feminism would produce. Less happiness, more generalized anxiety, mental health disorders and no self actualization whatsoever.

And no children....because apparently you need men to have children.

Is the anxiety a product of feminism or is it a product by the general state of the world?

 

[JohnDB]

Let's not panic. We are at 1.7 per woman. We only need 2.1 to be stable.


And indeed, if we can turn it around, while the rest of the world crashes and burns, this could be the beginning of a SECOND AMERICAN CENTURY.

It's the power of exponents here.

Just like we had a generation of men coming home from WW2 and having babies we called Baby Boomers....
After Gen X....the numbers kept dropping.

Some of these effects of dropping birth rates you are already seeing.
Notice how many fast food places and grocery stores have gone to constant hiring modes? You can always apply for a job at Walmart, burger and taco places? They always are short on help?

That's the first sign of a problem. These are historically teenager jobs. Jobs teenagers get at low wages and low skills to stock shelves and wrap burgers. Now these jobs are being filled by people one step away from welfare checks. Absolutely unconcerned about the quality of the job they do, their reputation, or anything much....

They dont have to....because they can get another job easily and quickly. Might have to do even less work for more money. Service jobs are super plentiful.

It's not going to be long before we need to begin closing high schools....maybe 4 or 5 years.

 

[Correll]

I don't know your demographics, but I doubt that you exist in the dating world of young adults. I'm not trying to say this has much to do with declining birth rates, I'm just responding to your silly argument about how bad feminism is for the world.

What you said, ie the possible scenario of a husband OR TWO, trying to lay down a law for his wife,

in no way pushes back against my argument that feminism is bad for the world.

Feminism is bad for the world.

If you disagree, try explaining why, instead of inventing unlikely scenarios.

Not shocking at all. Conservatives have been calling for more stay at home mothers for a while now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/12/us/politics/republicans-parents-babies-home.html

So, to support your claim that REPUBLICANS, are big supporters of teh TRADWIFE movement,

you cite a LEFTWING SOURCE, talking about republicans BEHIND A PAYWALL.


Not that this was not a REPUBLICAN SOURCE, pushing the tradwife movement. It was a LEFTWING SITE, talking shit on republicans.


You lefties, don't really get how any of this works, do you?

 

[JohnDB]

Is the anxiety a product of feminism or is it a product by the general state of the world?

Feminism.
Being a part of a family brings more comfort/security.....yes, the role of a mother and a spouse is a principal with extra responsibilities....but it doesn't last long. The children grow up and provide for the household as well. They do chores, they can provide some assistance for the other children....all sorts of ways while young and even more as adults.
No one allows their mother become homeless...

Jobs bring competitors for your job and role....

 

[Hafar1014]

Feminism.
Being a part of a family brings more comfort/security.....yes, the role of a mother and a spouse is a principal with extra responsibilities....but it doesn't last long. The children grow up and provide for the household as well. They do chores, they can provide some assistance for the other children....all sorts of ways while young and even more as adults.
No one allows their mother become homeless...

Feminism created a generation of women with severe anxiety depression and anger. It didnt work for them and they got angry. It convinced them that the role of a mother was oppression. Today we have millions of fat women with blue hair screaming at left wing protests.

 

[JohnDB]

I volunteered my randy-self, but no takers

That's natural selection hard at work....
Darwinism.....survival of the fittest.

Not one of the few who survived getting a Darwin award....

 

[Correll]

It's the power of exponents here.

Just like we had a generation of men coming home from WW2 and having babies we called Baby Boomers....
After Gen X....the numbers kept dropping.

Some of these effects of dropping birth rates you are already seeing.
Notice how many fast food places and grocery stores have gone to constant hiring modes? You can always apply for a job at Walmart, burger and taco places? They always are short on help?

That's the first sign of a problem. These are historically teenager jobs. Jobs teenagers get at low wages and low skills to stock shelves and wrap burgers. Now these jobs are being filled by people one step away from welfare checks. Absolutely unconcerned about the quality of the job they do, their reputation, or anything much....

They dont have to....because they can get another job easily and quickly. Might have to do even less work for more money. Service jobs are super plentiful.

It's not going to be long before we need to begin closing high schools....maybe 4 or 5 years.

So, instead of talking gloom and doom, let's talk about how bad feminism is, and how much better it would be for people, INDIVIDUALS, is they stop doign that and instead have nice lives.


My wife, I never made enough, securely enough, to let her be a stay at home mom.

She could and did manage to go PART TIME, (two days a week, if I remember right) for quite a bit of our child's childhood.

I cherish that. We all do.


What about you and yours?

 

[JohnDB]

So, instead of talking gloom and doom, let's talk about how bad feminism is, and how much better it would be for people, INDIVIDUALS, is they stop doign that and instead have nice lives.


My wife, I never made enough, securely enough, to let her be a stay at home mom.

She could and did manage to go PART TIME, (two days a week, if I remember right) for quite a bit of our child's childhood.

I cherish that. We all do.


What about you and yours?

Always double income....never had a chance at having a trad wife.

 

[Correll]

Feminism created a generation of women with severe anxiety depression and anger. It didnt work for them and they got angry. It convinced them that the role of a mother was oppression. Today we have millions of fat women with blue hair screaming at left wing protests.

I saw it happen with my peers. Looking bad, it is... kind of "funny" that way that some women managed to take some hits, but still managed to clear their heads long enough to have families.


And the differnce that makes compared to those that didn't.

******* OUCH.

And by OUCH, I mean SO MUCH PAIN AND SADNESS.


Bad ideas lead to consequences. Sometimes.... deadly consequences.

 

[Correll]

Always double income....never had a chance at having a trad wife.

Lot to be said for the latchkey model. We did that at times.

Nothing wrong with a 12 year old, walking home from school, being alone for half an hour and them the parents getting home and everyone having dinner together and spending the evening together, and everyone being home over night together.

 

[Marener]

So, since it isn't a big thing, your fine with shit canning it

I thought it had been shit canned long ago.

Actually, from what I have seen in the manosphere, they talk to women all the time.

Do you think that Hypergamy is a big problem?

I had to look up hypergamy because I’d not heard of it, so obviously I don’t have a deeply held opinion.

Doesn’t seem like a problem. If a person wants to marry someone with a higher degree of wealth or accomplishments, that’s their decision. Either they find a partner they’re looking for or they don’t. Seems like you have a strong opinion on it since you brought it up. Not sure who it’s supposed to be a problem for or why.

OR they could be right.

They’d have a stronger case if they had actual research to back it up, but since it’s just a bunch of dudes sitting around whining about women causing their problems, it’s less credible.

Nope. Not at all. My reaction varies depending on whether I consider the question serious, or a form of shit talk.

And even if that were true, and it's not, that still does not justify you doing something as retarded as looking at a discussion on a single point, and assuming that that is the ONLY point.

That is you being a bad faith actor.

Your opinions are heavily influenced by emotions rather than logic.

 

[Hafar1014]

I thought it had been shit canned long ago.


I had to look up hypergamy because I’d not heard of it, so obviously I don’t have a deeply held opinion.

Doesn’t seem like a problem. If a person wants to marry someone with a higher degree of wealth or accomplishments, that’s their decision. Either they find a partner they’re looking for or they don’t. Seems like you have a strong opinion on it since you brought it up. Not sure who it’s supposed to be a problem for or why.

They’d have a stronger case if they had actual research to back it up, but since it’s just a bunch of dudes sitting around whining about women causing their problems, it’s less credible.

Your opinions are heavily influenced by emotions rather than logic.

All opinions are influenced by emotion

 

[Hafar1014]

Lot to be said for the latchkey model. We did that at times.

Nothing wrong with a 12 year old, walking home from school, being alone for half an hour and them the parents getting home and everyone having dinner together and spending the evening together, and everyone being home over night together.

Its a problem if you live in a democrat city. A 12 year old can never be alone