US Birthrate Continues to Decline

[Marener]

What you said, ie the possible scenario of a husband OR TWO, trying to lay down a law for his wife,

in no way pushes back against my argument that feminism is bad for the world.

Feminism is bad for the world.

If you disagree, try explaining why, instead of inventing unlikely scenarios.

Feminism encourages women to pursue their life goals instead of being pigeonholed into believing their only true role is to stay at home and raise a family. I don’t see anything wrong with encouraging people to achieve their full potential.

So, to support your claim that REPUBLICANS, are big supporters of teh TRADWIFE movement,

you cite a LEFTWING SOURCE, talking about republicans BEHIND A PAYWALL.


Not that this was not a REPUBLICAN SOURCE, pushing the tradwife movement. It was a LEFTWING SITE, talking shit on republicans.


You lefties, don't really get how any of this works, do you?

One just has to look at notable anti-feminist Steven Crowder to see a great example of right wing beliefs on marriage.

He emotionally abused his wife for years and when she divorced him, his response as that the laws should be changed to prevent it.

 

[Marener]

Feminism.
Being a part of a family brings more comfort/security.....yes, the role of a mother and a spouse is a principal with extra responsibilities....but it doesn't last long. The children grow up and provide for the household as well. They do chores, they can provide some assistance for the other children....all sorts of ways while young and even more as adults.
No one allows their mother become homeless...

Jobs bring competitors for your job and role....

One doesn’t start a family unless they have some sense of security. That’s very lacking in today’s society.

 

[JohnDB]

Lot to be said for the latchkey model. We did that at times.

Nothing wrong with a 12 year old, walking home from school, being alone for half an hour and them the parents getting home and everyone having dinner together and spending the evening together, and everyone being home over night together.

Solutions....

I would think that the public recognizing how this radical feminist movement has harmed us as a society as well as individually is a great start.

How parenthood is a tiring and frustrating thing that never goes away but it's still MILES better than the alternatives.....because it NEVER goes away.

Mostly its women that have to understand....they need a family more than they ever needed a career. Jobs and paychecks....ok...we all need money. But we need our families more and they literally need us....we can't be replaced or fired.

 

[Marener]

All opinions are influenced by emotion

Some do their best to account for that. Others just let it take over their entire argument.

 

[Correll]

I thought it had been shit canned long ago.

You just couldn't just say YES, could you?

OK fine, we are in agreement. NO MORE A.A. for women. Whether it was gone long ago, or we are shutting it down asap.

It is gone. We are on the same page. GOOD.

I had to look up hypergamy because I’d not heard of it, so obviously I don’t have a deeply held opinion.

Doesn’t seem like a problem. If a person wants to marry someone with a higher degree of wealth or accomplishments, that’s their decision. Either they find a partner they’re looking for or they don’t. Seems like you have a strong opinion on it since you brought it up. Not sure who it’s supposed to be a problem for or why.

Here you are playing the FLEDGLING GAME, ie you are pretending to be completely unaware of anthing before this discussion.

Clearly in the context of a DECLINING BIRTHRATE and tens of millions of people that want to form families and are failing, then HYPERGAMY, is clearly a bad idea, that is leading to negative results for EVERYONE as individuals AND as a SOCIETY.

You dishonest dumbass.

They’d have a stronger case if they had actual research to back it up, but since it’s just a bunch of dudes sitting around whining about women causing their problems, it’s less credible.

Except, you have no idea what they have to back it up, since by your own admission you don't listen to them.

So... that what you just said, was meaningless spaming of negs.

Your opinions are heavily influenced by emotions rather than logic.

Said the dishonest asshole.

 

[Correll]

Its a problem if you live in a democrat city. A 12 year old can never be alone

All the more reason to purge dems.

 

[Correll]

Feminism encourages women to pursue their life goals instead of being pigeonholed into believing their only true role is to stay at home and raise a family. I don’t see anything wrong with encouraging people to achieve their full potential.

Has this led to increased or decreased happiness for women? Are women with CAREERS, happier than women with FAMILIES?

One just has to look at notable anti-feminist Steven Crowder to see a great example of right wing beliefs on marriage.

He emotionally abused his wife for years and when she divorced him, his response as that the laws should be changed to prevent it.

Link to proof he abused his wife.

 

[JohnDB]

One doesn’t start a family unless they have some sense of security. That’s very lacking in today’s society.

Let's not get started talking about the Trump Bump in birth rates from the last time Trump was president....

BUT

We need a stable environment where the world is navigable.
Where college graduates dont have a mortgage payment for tuition loans,
Where paychecks actually are sufficient to not only survive on but thrive.

Stop the government from excessive tax and huge overspending....it hurts the entire economy with stagnation, inflation, and apathy.

Not difficult....but our current Congress wont stop the #####ing spending and keep making inflation worse. Then refuse to do anything about housing costs, FTC violations or insider trading violations....

 

[Correll]

Solutions....

I would think that the public recognizing how this radical feminist movement has harmed us as a society as well as individually is a great start.

AGREED!!!!

How parenthood is a tiring and frustrating thing that never goes away but it's still MILES better than the alternatives.....because it NEVER goes away.

My child is getting ready to move out. My wife is not handling it well. I am not happy about it either.

We will miss her so much, when she is gone.

Mostly its women that have to understand....they need a family more than they ever needed a career. Jobs and paychecks....ok...we all need money. But we need our families more and they literally need us....we can't be replaced or fired.

Amen brother. I look back and I cherish that period of underemployment I had, when I got to be primary caregiver for a few years.

That was ******* GOLD.


I remember one of my genius, and I mean that literally and without irony at all,


moves, was to take teh kid to my wife's workplace, to have lunch with her.

After all, the wife and kid had not seen each other for hours. So, naturally they were both very excited to see each other.


Did that several times over a few years. A massive hit every time. Brilliant of me, if I say so myself. And I do.

 

[Marener]

Has this led to increased or decreased happiness for women? Are women with CAREERS, happier than women with FAMILIES?

Watch out for confounding. Are families making women happier or are happier women having families? Naturally, women who chose to start families will be in a better position in life than those who chose not to.

Link to proof he abused his wife.

His wife described the marriage in their divorce and substantiated the behavior with video where he berated her.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05/steven-crowder-exposed-himself-at-work-ex-staffers-say.html

 

[Marener]

You just couldn't just say YES, could you?

OK fine, we are in agreement. NO MORE A.A. for women. Whether it was gone long ago, or we are shutting it down asap.

It is gone. We are on the same page. GOOD.


Here you are playing the FLEDGLING GAME, ie you are pretending to be completely unaware of anthing before this discussion.

Clearly in the context of a DECLINING BIRTHRATE and tens of millions of people that want to form families and are failing, then HYPERGAMY, is clearly a bad idea, that is leading to negative results for EVERYONE as individuals AND as a SOCIETY.

You dishonest dumbass.

I don't exist in the manosphere like you do, so it's not something I think about a lot.

The idea that women should date a man who earns more and is more successful than her is definitely not a feminist ideal. If you think it's a problem, than we need more feminism, not less.

Except, you have no idea what they have to back it up, since by your own admission you don't listen to them.

So... that what you just said, was meaningless spaming of negs.

I've heard enough to form an opinion. I don't hold these dudes in high regard.

Said the dishonest asshole.

Cry me a river.

 

[Marener]

There are lots of things affecting birth rates and it varies from place to place.

In my opinion, the biggest issue in this country is that no one thinks society gives a **** about you anymore. Who wants to have kids in a society where no one gives a shit anymore?

 

[Hafar1014]

There are lots of things affecting birth rates and it varies from place to place.

In my opinion, the biggest issue in this country is that no one thinks society gives a **** about you anymore. Who wants to have kids in a society where no one gives a shit anymore?

Dont live in a democrat state

 

[JohnDB]

Ya know, instead of all that DEI crap and lgbtw2pr+duct maybe.....

teach high schoolers what they really need to know like
"young family economics"....including "how to finance a house purchase "
"early childhood development" and
"how to care for and feed children"....
And my personal favorite:
"The care and feeding of husbands"

All the things they really need instead of something they download from an AI bot.

 

[JohnDB]

There are lots of things affecting birth rates and it varies from place to place.

In my opinion, the biggest issue in this country is that no one thinks society gives a **** about you anymore. Who wants to have kids in a society where no one gives a shit anymore?

Absolutely not true.

Men, real men wont stand for a child being abused by anyone....
They dont let kids go hungry either....
Even felons in prison target those in there for child abuse.
Hurt a pregnant woman? You probably are gonna have an accident on your way to solitary....

But nobody is gonna stand out on a street corner to hand out free luxuries.

 

[Marener]

Absolutely not true.

Men, real men wont stand for a child being abused by anyone....
They dont let kids go hungry either....
Even felons in prison target those in there for child abuse.
Hurt a pregnant woman? You probably are gonna have an accident on your way to solitary....

But nobody is gonna stand out on a street corner to hand out free luxuries.

Apparently Republicans aren't real men then.

https://www.cbpp.org/blog/house-agriculture-bill-underfunds-wic-cuts-fruit-and-vegetable-benefit-and-fails-to-make

 

[JohnDB]

Apparently Republicans aren't real men then.

https://www.cbpp.org/blog/house-agriculture-bill-underfunds-wic-cuts-fruit-and-vegetable-benefit-and-fails-to-make

Ummmm
The amount of fraud is over the top for WIC and other programs.
We have dead people, rich people, and illegals getting WIC....

They are estimating the fraud and cutting the funding by appropriate amounts....
But if they overspend because every person actually showed up with a citizenship ID to do the re-apply....we ALL will be shocked. Very shocked indeed.

 

[Marener]

Ummmm
The amount of fraud is over the top for WIC and other programs.
We have dead people, rich people, and illegals getting WIC....

They are estimating the fraud and cutting the funding by appropriate amounts....
But if they overspend because every person actually showed up with a citizenship ID to do the re-apply....we ALL will be shocked. Very shocked indeed.

Cutting the spend doesn't automatically end the fraud.

Jesus, what a stupid concept.

 

[JohnDB]

Cutting the spend doesn't automatically end the fraud.

Jesus, what a stupid concept.

It does when they have to be physically present to apply.

The ones who dont care?
They are easy to spot.....
It's all about their parents....

 

[JohnDB]

These are the ones who are supposed to be starting families now....