US Birthrate Continues to Decline

[Correll]

So then what do you think is the biggest factor in the plummeting birth rates?

It is a big mess of INTERCONNECTED PROBLEMS,


but, the biggest single factor, imo, is women spending too long in education, eating into their peak fertility window.

 

[JohnDB]

Super interesting read....
This is why women having affairs get pregnant more often than not. Mechanism for overpopulation and oversized families built in to couples....

 

[initforme]

It is a big mess of INTERCONNECTED PROBLEMS,


but, the biggest single factor, imo, is women spending too long in education, eating into their peak fertility window.

I see some relevancy to that. Problem is that it takes 2 really good incomes just to scrape by. If they dont get educated then they don't make enough money along with their spouses to afford to live. Just getting married and having kids while in their early 20s entails ensuring all men are making at least 200k to barely hang on.

 

[JohnDB]

It is a big mess of INTERCONNECTED PROBLEMS,


but, the biggest single factor, imo, is women spending too long in education, eating into their peak fertility window.

Personally I believe it to be a lot of factors put together.
Educations resulting in higher incomes for women and finding less educated men undesirable is only a portion of the problem.
Men being much more wary of women's manipulations and/or using the court system to enact oppression upon the men is another factor. Unless a woman somehow demonstrates her fidelity, guys are completely uninterested in anything but gawking at her. And in many instances unless the women are 90% naked and have the fitness and appearance of a 1% model they won't even gain a moment's attention or notice.

Then there's the cameras.

Men do not want their failures recorded and blasted on the internet. So they don't necessarily even approach women they find attractive. Especially when women tend to be AUTOMATICALLY dismissive of all but the top 5% earners of men. (+6' tall and over $250k/yr)

Then there's the conversation capability.

Their education plays a role here. Guys want a friend in their wives. If she is dumb as a fencepost....only the schmuck men want anything to do with her. If she is too smart she will become bored with him too easily and so he will make a pre-emptive decision and not accept a relationship. Plus he will be concerned about earning potential and respect for his contributions.
(Guys deal in respect and can't understand why she would respect him).

 

[Correll]

I see some relevancy to that. Problem is that it takes 2 really good incomes just to scrape by. If they dont get educated then they don't make enough money along with their spouses to afford to live. Just getting married and having kids while in their early 20s entails ensuring all men are making at least 200k to barely hang on.

Give me your ideas on how to fix it.

 

[Correll]

Personally I believe it to be a lot of factors put together.

YOu mean like, in my post where I stated expressly that "it" was a "big mess of interconnected problems"?

I mean, like, YEAH, I agree completely.

Educations resulting in higher incomes for women and finding less educated men undesirable is only a portion of the problem.

Hence, I referred to it as "imo, the single biggest factor",.

It sounds like you agree with me. So, cool. We are in agreement on this point.

Men being much more wary of women's manipulations and/or using the court system to enact oppression upon the men is another factor. Unless a woman somehow demonstrates her fidelity, guys are completely uninterested in anything but gawking at her.

That is also a valid part of the problem, imo. The obvious answer thus, is to change the rules of divorce to be less unfair to men.

Getting rid of no fault divorce, and mandating equal custody and no child support, would also, eliminate the current "oppressive" system in favor of something more just and healthy.

That would put men in a stronger and SAFER position, in marriage, thus encouraging marriage and children.

And in many instances unless the women are 90% naked and have the fitness and appearance of a 1% model they won't even gain a moment's attention or notice.

mmmm, not sure of applicability.

Then there's the cameras.

Men do not want their failures recorded and blasted on the internet. So they don't necessarily even approach women they find attractive. Especially when women tend to be AUTOMATICALLY dismissive of all but the top 5% earners of men. (+6' tall and over $250k/yr)

This, imo, is part of the overall FEMINISM pushing bigotry and hate of men, that could be addressed by crushing that ideology.

BUT, we could also push for increased privacy protections against "cameras" and using unwilling footage for character assassination.

Even if you are WRONG, and this is NOT a big part of this problem, addressing and fixing that, would be a move to the GOOD anyways. So, WIN for America.

Then there's the conversation capability.

Their education plays a role here. Guys want a friend in their wives. If she is dumb as a fencepost....only the schmuck men want anything to do with her. If she is too smart she will become bored with him too easily and so he will make a pre-emptive decision and not accept a relationship. Plus he will be concerned about earning potential and respect for his contributions.
(Guys deal in respect and can't understand why she would respect him).

IMO, we can address this to some extent by stopping the ARTIFICIAL support of women's education and careers.

END the jobs that are just ADULT DAYCARE, such as any and all WOMEN'S STUDIES, or H.R. jobs.

And end discrimination in hiring in all government or corporate hiring.

That should reduce the problem you mention there AND reduce the waste of hundreds of billions of dollars, that should be good for the rest of the economy and society by getting rid of that dead weight.


Good post on your part. Gave me a LOT to work with. THANKS.

 

[initforme]

Give me your ideas on how to fix it.

I have none. Things will continue as is. For the vast majority of young married couples it will take 2 salaries just to barely, barely squeak by. Paycheck to paycheck earners(80 percent of workers) will continue to struggle more to make ends meet. I have no idea how to change it.

 

[Correll]

I have none. Things will continue as is. For the vast majority of young married couples it will take 2 salaries just to barely, barely squeak by. Paycheck to paycheck earners(80 percent of workers) will continue to struggle more to make ends meet. I have no idea how to change it.

You are lying.

There is something in the solutions, that you want more than you want the world to be sustainable.

So, you would rather see generations of people, fail to find happiness and meaning in their lives, and would rather them die alone, and the global society as a whole, be poorer and sadder


then give up, something...


Feminism? Is it feminism that you are invested in? Is that more important to you than the well being of the ENTIRE WORLD?

 

[initforme]

You are lying.

There is something in the solutions, that you want more than you want the world to be sustainable.

So, you would rather see generations of people, fail to find happiness and meaning in their lives, and would rather them die alone, and the global society as a whole, be poorer and sadder


then give up, something...


Feminism? Is it feminism that you are invested in? Is that more important to you than the well being of the ENTIRE WORLD?

I said I have no idea how to change it. How would you go about changing it?

 

[Correll]

I said I have no idea how to change it. How would you go about changing it?

There are literally HUNDREDS of policies or practicies that contribute to raising the cost of living or reducing wages,

that could be reversed or changed to make it easier for couples to afford children.

For you to pretend that your brain couldn't think of ANY of them, is not credible.

 

[initforme]

There are literally HUNDREDS of policies or practicies that contribute to raising the cost of living or reducing wages,

that could be reversed or changed to make it easier for couples to afford children.

For you to pretend that your brain couldn't think of ANY of them, is not credible.

Ok what are some of those policies? Be specific. Hopefully you are a union supporter.

 

[Correll]

Ok what are some of those policies? Be specific. Hopefully you are a union supporter.

Three off the top of my head.

1. Degree inflation. stop that, reduces the cost of education.

2. Purge administration ranks of all colleges. That expense has grown at an absurd rate. There is no excuse. Purge them.

3. Limit Air B and B s. That reduces housing costs.

 

[initforme]

Three off the top of my head.

1. Degree inflation. stop that, reduces the cost of education.

2. Purge administration ranks of all colleges. That expense has grown at an absurd rate. There is no excuse. Purge them.

3. Limit Air B and B s. That reduces housing costs.

Ok, but a speck of sand in an ocean.

 

[Correll]

Ok, but a speck of sand in an ocean.

You said you had NO IDEAS.

Then you demanded ideas from me, like you thought it was a gotcha.



How about you tell us why you don't want to change policies to help people have families?

 

[markef]

In 2025, 710,000 fewer babies were born as compared to 2005.

Women are delaying motherhood into their 30's and 40's it seems.

https://www.npr.org/2026/04/09/nx-s1-5779627/birthrate-united-states-babies-immigration

From the piece:

"Whatever the causes, many demographers and economists see the apparent shift toward smaller families and fewer children as a significant concern for the nation and its labor force, especially as immigration into the U.S. has also plunged under the Trump administration." Yeah the price of labor is going to go way up (no pun intended).

Frankly, I don't see it. Our maternity ward is as busy as ever it seems. It should make people think twice about wanting to limit birthright citizenship; but it won't.

Bill Gates has long advocated reducing the world population through abortion, sterilization, and deadly engineered viruses. That is because lefties worry that overpopulation will doom the entire human race if not reversed.