US Birthrate Continues to Decline

[Correll]

I think you overestimate the joy women feel at being financially and socially subjugated by men.

That is the kind of anti-man spin, that has led many women to make bad choices.


WHy are you pushing such toxic nonsense that is hurting many individuals and society at large?

 

[initforme]

You are clearly talking this down, because you support a low birthrate.

Why do you support a low birth rate?

I simply am looking at facts of what is happening. I dont worry about it because I can't go out there and encourage working people to have kids they cannot afford or dont want in the first place. Thats not my place nor my role. We did our part. I have 3 kids of my own, all grown into their 50s now, and 1 grandchild. So we did our part.

 

[Correll]

I simply am looking at facts of what is happening. I dont worry about it because I can't go out there and encourage working people to have kids they cannot afford or dont want in the first place. Thats not my place nor my role. We did our part. I have 3 kids of my own, all grown into their 50s now, and 1 grandchild. So we did our part.

Drop the shit talk.

WHY DO YOU WANT A LOW BIRTH RATE?

 

[Marener]

That is the kind of anti-man spin, that has led many women to make bad choices.


WHy are you pushing such toxic nonsense that is hurting many individuals and society at large?

What’s wrong with the premise?

A woman who isn’t allowed to have a career has no means to support themselves if the marriage falls apart.

The right wing approach has been trying to find a way to make women need them more than trying to find a way to make women want them.

 

[initforme]

Drop the shit talk.

WHY DO YOU WANT A LOW BIRTH RATE?

I dont. What do you propose we do to fix it? Tell women not to work? Tell men to work 80 hours per week so they can afford kids? Tax cuts, while good, will do nothing here. Get rid of fraud? Yes a good thing. It wo t change things. Now what? Only a small percentage of men make enough money so that the spouse can stay home. Uh oh that isn't going to get fixed anytime soon. So where do we go from here?

 

[Correll]

What’s wrong with the premise?

A woman who isn’t allowed to have a career has no means to support themselves if the marriage falls apart.

"isn't allowed". What shit talk. Complete shit talk. YOu are a shit talker.

The right wing approach has been trying to find a way to make women need them more than trying to find a way to make women want them.

There has been no right wing approach to this problem. You are lying.

 

[Marener]

I'm surprised it is that low....

I wonder what that number would be, if it wasn't a HARD no, but a very likely no....

And still, that is a big number, reducing odds of success.




Whoa. Ok, I admit I did not see that number coming. A valid counter point.





Errr, much of what I have mentioned has been about government policy. That is not blaming women and your spin on my position is false.

I know of no government policy that makes women earn more than men. That comes about when you allow women to perform roles at the level of their capabilities.

Your problem was that women now earn more than men but claimed they wouldn’t date someone who earned more than them. Placing the blame at their feet for wanting incongruent things.

 

[Marener]

Your refusal to address my supporting argument, means that your attempt to refute my argument, has failed.

Thus my point stands.

YOur side is using force to try to stop us from having our turn.


Do you want a civil war?

Your supporting argument doesn’t actually describe any force.

The force came from ICE agents overreacting to protestors with violence.

And the policy only changed because Trump didn’t like the negative press coverage.

Can you more clearly describe how we are using force to stop your policy?

 

[Marener]

"isn't allowed". What shit talk. Complete shit talk. YOu are a shit talker.

Your words are failing you again. Right wing culture pushes for stay at home moms who don’t get to have a career.

There has been no right wing approach to this problem. You are lying.

Of course there is. Look at the tradwife phenomenon.

 

[Correll]

I know of no government policy that makes women earn more than men. That comes about when you allow women to perform roles at the level of their capabilities.

It is absurd of you to pretend that AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, is limited to "allowing women to perform roles at the level of their capabilities".

That was you being a shit talker. I don't appreciate you talking shit, like a complete ******* asshole.

Try to be less of a complete ******* asshole, please.

Your problem was that women now earn more than men but claimed they wouldn’t date someone who earned more than them. Placing the blame at their feet for wanting incongruent things.

"MY PROBLEM"?

This thread is about the decline in birthrate, a problem that seems global in scope and a problem for every nation in the world.


For you to try to spin this, as though my point is just a matter of my personal issue, is...

insanely dishonest. And you being a complete ******* asshole.

Also, not productive. The decline in the birthrate is real.

For some reason you are trying to supress serious discussion of the problem.


You are on the side of the problem. OPPOSED to the human race.



Incredible.

 

[Correll]

Your supporting argument doesn’t actually describe any force.

The force came from ICE agents overreacting to protestors with violence.

And the policy only changed because Trump didn’t like the negative press coverage.

Can you more clearly describe how we are using force to stop your policy?

Your vote for civil war has been accepted.

Hopefully other, saner heads will be able to over rule you and your ilk.

 

[Correll]

Your words are failing you again. Right wing culture pushes for stay at home moms who don’t get to have a career.

Big difference between "pushes for" and uses force to stop, ie "not allowed".

Are you pretending to be too retarded to know that, or are you opening being a filthy lying asshole?

Of course there is. Look at the tradwife phenomenon.

What steps havce the gop taken to support that movement? What policies or programs have been launched to push that, as opposed to the feminist career path model?

 

[Marener]

It is absurd of you to pretend that AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, is limited to "allowing women to perform roles at the level of their capabilities".

That was you being a shit talker. I don't appreciate you talking shit, like a complete ******* asshole.

Try to be less of a complete ******* asshole, please.

I think you overestimate the role affirmative action has in women earning higher incomes given they are of equal intelligence and that is what our economy values most.

"MY PROBLEM"?

This thread is about the decline in birthrate, a problem that seems global in scope and a problem for every nation in the world.


For you to try to spin this, as though my point is just a matter of my personal issue, is...

insanely dishonest. And you being a complete ******* asshole.

Also, not productive. The decline in the birthrate is real.

For some reason you are trying to supress serious discussion of the problem.


You are on the side of the problem. OPPOSED to the human race.



Incredible.

Not trying to suppress serious discussion. I just accept your weird beliefs without criticism.

If you want a serious discussion, you need to learn to communicate with people who disagree with you without becoming so emotional.

You promote a lot of shitty manosphere propaganda that seeks to blame women for everything. If your concern is that men and women aren’t coupling as much, blaming women is a bad idea.

The cause of declining birth rates goes far beyond fewer couples, given that even people in committed and secure relationships are having fewer kids.

 

[Marener]

Big difference between "pushes for" and uses force to stop, ie "not allowed".

Are you pretending to be too retarded to know that, or are you opening being a filthy lying asshole?

A husband can say it’s not allowed, making the existence of the marriage contingent on that factor.

What steps havce the gop taken to support that movement? What policies or programs have been launched to push that, as opposed to the feminist career path model?

They’re quite vocal about it.

 

[Marener]

Your vote for civil war has been accepted.

Hopefully other, saner heads will be able to over rule you and your ilk.

You’re just trying to shut down conversation with that kind of talk.

Again, you seek to blame everyone else for your own political failings.

You’ve yet to describe any force used to stop Trump’s policies.

 

[Anathema]

Trump is just a symptom of a larger problem with men.

The biggest problem with modern men is modern women and our unwillingness to put them back in their proper place.

 

[initforme]

So after all the banter, what is the magic fix for this? Anybody know?

 

[Correll]

I think you overestimate the role affirmative action has in women earning higher incomes given they are of equal intelligence and that is what our economy values most.

I think that you are trying to minimize the role A.A. plays becasue you support A.A. and would support it, even if it was demonstrated that A.A. is bad for people and America.

If it is so minor, then you won't mind getting rid of it, just to give me and other cons what we want, since we think it is a huge problem.

Then we can move on to other, supposedly more important issues to discuss.

Not trying to suppress serious discussion. I just accept your weird beliefs without criticism.

If you want a serious discussion, you need to learn to communicate with people who disagree with you without becoming so emotional.

You promote a lot of shitty manosphere propaganda that seeks to blame women for everything. If your concern is that men and women aren’t coupling as much, blaming women is a bad idea.

You made the claim that A.A. is "allowing women to perform roles at the level of their capabilities".

That is you being a complete lying whore.

So, go **** yourself.


The manosphere is the only place I have heard this issue discussed seriously. All we get elsewhere is stupid anti-man shit talk from complete ******* assholes like yourself.

You got something smart to say about it, other than ******* lies, then say it now, or go **** yourself.

The cause of declining birth rates goes far beyond fewer couples, given that even people in committed and secure relationships are having fewer kids.

Wow. That's some serious deep thinking.

I especially like how you really refuted the point that this issue is more than "fewer couples",

given that NO ONE HAS MADE THAT ARGUMENT.

 

[Correll]

A husband can say it’s not allowed, making the existence of the marriage contingent on that factor.

That is true. Somewhere, some day, a SINGLE husband might lay down the law like that to his wife.

Meanwhile in the real world, I have never seen any evidence or hint that that is a real, significant factor in the trend of birth rates continuing to decline, ie the TOPIC.

They’re quite vocal about it.

GIve me your best high profile example. To support your shocking claim.

 

[initforme]

That is true. Somewhere, some day, a SINGLE husband might lay down the law like that to his wife.

Meanwhile in the real world, I have never seen any evidence or hint that that is a real, significant factor in the trend of birth rates continuing to decline, ie the TOPIC.






GIve me your best high profile example. To support your shocking claim.

So then what do you think is the biggest factor in the plummeting birth rates?