Unsealed Trump Search Warrant - Trump had classified Documents

[Couchpotato]

Was Hillary hiding national defense docs and refusing to return them?

Nope

No HRC didn’t have any hardcopy classified documents locked in a safe in a house guarded 24/7 by the secret service. She had her classified docs softcopy on an unsecure server in her unlocked closet connected to the internet.…. A server foreign government allegedly accessed.

 

[Lesh]

No HRC didn’t have any hardcopy classified documents locked in a safe in a house guarded 24/7 by the secret service. S

TRUMP was guarded by the SS. The docs were not

 

[Rigby5]

Ummm, count me skeptical on that one.
So, do you have some credible informed sourcing on that?

For a president or ex-president to not have ultimate authority over any classified documents, then there would have to be a secret organization above the president, and there is none legally.

What if the CIA gives a president some Top Secret document involving other countries, and in order to prevent a war, the president decides to share that Top Secret document with Putin?
Perfectly legal.
The president has full authority to conduct all government actions and diplomacy as he sees fit.

 

[Rigby5]

TRUMP was guarded by the SS. The docs were not

Since the compound was protected, the docs would be to, unless the servants could not be trusted.
And that is also true of White House staff.

 

[BS Filter]

Of course not
If he treats the Top Secret information in accordance with all current laws

You are guilty of a Felony if you improperly store Classified information.

Guess who signed the law?

Trump

When is the FBI going to arrest Trump?

 

[Rigby5]

Not to mention the fact that Biden could just as easily claim he RECLASSIFIED those docs the day after he was inaugurated

Does not matter if reclassified or not.
Trump had legal possession, and there likely was no legal way to take them from him?

 

[rightwinger]

What if the CIA gives a president some Top Secret document involving other countries, and in order to prevent a war, the president decides to share that Top Secret document with Putin?
Perfectly legal.

And if he goes home and illegally stores that document in his basement, it is still a crime

 

[Lesh]

Does not matter if reclassified or not.
Trump had legal possession, and there likely was no legal way to take them from him?

Our resident Putin troll has no idea what he's talking about

 

[rightwinger]

When is the FBI going to arrest Trump?

Nov 2 at 11:58AM

 

[Lisa558]

When is the FBI going to arrest Trump?

They’ve boxed themselves into a corner. They know if they arrest Trump over this created theatrical production , they will so infuriate every American with a sense of justice and decency and hand him the win - or DeSantis.

 

[Lesh]

They’ve boxed themselves into a corner. They know if they arrest Trump over this created theatrical production , they will so infuriate every American with a sense of justice and decency and hand him the win - or DeSantis.

DiSantis must be drooling about this

But it ain't gonna help him much

 

[meaner gene]

Doesn't matter. Can't answer the question I guess? How can he claim declassification of documents, and still claim the FBI planted documents?

Trump is again reacting to what he sees as his greatest dangers. That of finding classified nuclear documents, which he'll claim the FBI planted. And finding classified documents, which Trump will claim he declassified while in the white house.

 

[Lisa558]

Nov 2 at 11:58AM

You said that earlier today. What’s the big deal about Nov 3rd?

 

[Sandy Shanks]

"The country deserves a thorough and immediate explanation of what led to the events of Monday," McConnell said in a statement. "Attorney General Garland and the Department of Justice should already have provided answers to the American people and must do so immediately."

Be careful what you wish for!

With respect to what was bound to happen, particularly after Garland's statement on Thursday, many Republicans are acting like fools.

ABC reports, "Congressional Republicans were quick to pan Merrick Garland's Thursday remarks on the FBI search of Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago -- calling the attorney general's comments insufficient and insisting the Justice Department release more information behind the unprecedented raid even as Garland said he wants the search warrant unsealed.

"But GOP lawmakers said the Justice Department's motion to unseal parts of the warrant would not cut it, demanding that more information behind the search's genesis was needed given the gravity of the operation at a former president's home."

The GOP lawmakers got their wish. Their comments are laughable now.

 

[rightwinger]

They’ve boxed themselves into a corner. They know if they arrest Trump over this created theatrical production , they will so infuriate every American with a sense of justice and decency and hand him the win - or DeSantis.

If they arrest Trump for breaking a law that he signed they will be doing their job.

Trump intentionally made that law tough on those who illegally store Classified information. Not much room for discretion

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Be careful what you wish for!

The Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday reaffirmed its support for the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election with the goal of putting Donald Trump in the Oval Office.https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...rms-russia-aimed-to-help-trump-in-2016-198171

The seized documents were part of an inquiry into violation of the Espionage Act and two other laws.​

The Times reports, "A list of documents removed from former President Donald J. Trump’s Florida residence, Mar-a-Lago, includes materials marked as top secret and meant to be viewed only in secure government facilities, according to a copy of the warrant obtained by The New York Times.

"Federal agents who executed the warrant did so to investigate potential crimes associated with violations of the Espionage Act, which outlaws the unauthorized retention of national security information that could harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary; a federal law that makes it a crime to destroy or conceal a document to obstruct a government investigation; and another statute associated with unlawful removal of government materials.

"Of the three criminal laws cited in the search warrant, one stood out as raising new questions: Section 1519 of Title 18 of the United States Code. Section 1519 is an obstruction law. It applies to document crimes undertaken “with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter” within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies. That raises the question: What do investigators suspect that Trump, by hoarding the documents, was trying to impede?"

A better question is, what was Trump going to do with the set of documents marked as “TS/SCI documents,” which refers to “top secret/sensitive compartmented information?”

 

[rightwinger]

DiSantis must be drooling about this

But it ain't gonna help him much

DeSantis is publicly outraged at the treatment of Trump
But when he gets home……

 

[Lisa558]

DeSantis is publicly outraged at the treatment of Trump
But when he gets home……

Yup. His odds of winning the presidency just tripled. He’ll get all of Trump voters, plus the independents disgusted with what the Demoncrats have become.

 

[Lesh]

Yup. His odds of winning the presidency just tripled. He’ll get all of Trump voters, plus the independents disgusted with what the Demoncrats have become.

3 X zero is still zero

 

[Chillicothe]

For a president or ex-president to not have ultimate authority over any classified documents, then there would have to be a secret organization above the president, and there is none legally.
The president has full authority to conduct all government actions and diplomacy as he sees fit.

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A couple of observations on the above:
"The president has full authority" ---- Won't argue too strenuously, tho I would think there must be some caveats within that power.
But then, it is a "president".......not an "ex-president".....who has that power.


For an ex-president to have it then that appears to be a co-presidency. Or bi-presidency.
And in that, I am really really skeptical.
When the previous guy goes.....he loses a lot.....a friggin' LOT....of his prior power.
As it should be.

And too, I like the poster's comment above who observed that the succeeding president could simply re-classify anything the first guy de-classified.