Unsealed Trump Search Warrant - Trump had classified Documents

[WEATHER53]

Funny. The search warrant is based on someone claiming the documents were there.
And the search revealed the documents were there. So whatever affidavit the warrant was based on, turned out to be 100% true and accurate.

Next !!!!

Sorry buddy but the cart does not get to confirm the horse

 

[Uncensored2008]

Crooked Donnie was found with Top Secret Documents in his Basement??

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He was?

Oh, you're just fantasizing again.

Hey fuckwad, it turns out the President has the authority to declassify documents.

Trump did - you lose.

 

[meaner gene]

And having top secret documents in your basement is perfectly legal.
It is only illegal if you were not the legal owner or possessor of them, or if you did not keep them secure enough.

Trump was not the legal owner. He was no longer president, and by the PRA the ownership was automatically transferred to the National Archives.

Second, the National Archives in retrieving the first 15 boxes of classified documents, showed that they were not property secured.

That two strikes right there.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump changed the rules about having illegal Classified information and made it a Felony?

 

[Uncensored2008]

550,000 Jobs!



Over 9 Million Jobs since taking office

Still less than when Trump was in office.

All we have are people returning to work after the bio-attack.

 

[Chillicothe]

Too long again. Tighten up or get lost

My bad.
I'm so used to messaging with folks with pretty fair attention spans.
But not all possess such. I'm aware.
So your pleading to shorten up, maybe use simpler words....well, it resonates.
It is not my avatar's intention to discombobulate you, poster Weather53.

ps....advice still is offered: Don't read 'em if you get lost in the language or the concepts.

Best wishes.


ps.....words are shorter, sentences are less complex, ideas basic.....over on GreatAwakening.win.
Or any of the Reddit or 4chan forums.
Good luck.

 

[Rigby5]

There are lengthy rules and regulations for storing Top Secret SCI Information

In your basement doesn’t cut it

Wrong.
While president, any document can be reclassified and later stored as the discretion of the ex-president.
The rules for storing classified documents are dictated by the president, and do not apply to an ex-president.
Typically all Top Secret documents are stored in someone's basement.
Even the Pentagon has a basement for that purpose.
The question is no where, but who and how many people had access?
I would assume the Mara Largo compound was pretty much secure?

 

[meaner gene]

But these is no classified documents that Trump was given while president, that he then can not legally retain as ex-president.

There are only 2 ways Trump could have been in violation of the law.
One would be if he was not keeping the documents secure enough.
The other would be if he left nothing for the National Archies, public records.

I'll take number two, not left for the National Archives for 5 to 10 with good behavior.

 

[Rigby5]

Taking and refusing to return those documents is pretty serious stuff.

But perfectly legal serious stuff.
For example, there can be some negotiations as yet unfinished, they can be necessary for defense of some action taken while president, they can be necessary for informing future presidents, or even something as mundane as future memoirs.

 

[Chillicothe]

"Whistle Blowers have exposed massive corruption in the FBI"

Well, I honestly don't know if the above is true or not.

However, speaking of 'whistleblower"......there is reportage from Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal that there was a 'whistleblower' in or at Mar-A-Lardo.

So there is that.

 

[Rigby5]

I'll take number two, not left for the National Archives for 5 to 10 with good behavior.

The National Archives make all documents public, so then have to destroy anything classified, so typically only retain 3% of what is given to them.

 

[meaner gene]

Sorry buddy but the cart does not get to confirm the horse

Actually in this case, and all warrant cases, it does. The informant swears an affidavit under penalty of perjury that the facts he gives are true.

If the documents weren't there, he could be prosecuted for perjury.

The only way of finding out if the informant was telling the truth or lying, is by the result of the search.

 

[meaner gene]

Wrong.
While president, any document can be reclassified and later stored as the discretion of the ex-president.

Wrong....
The presidential records act automatically transfers ownership to the National Archives. Anybody holding onto presidential records not turned over to the National Archives is guilty of theft against the United States Government.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Doesn’t matter. A convicted felon is never going to be elected President

6 years ago I would have agreed with you.

Today it would be seen as a badge of honor.

 

[Rigby5]

Funny. The search warrant is based on someone claiming the documents were there.
And the search revealed the documents were there. So whatever affidavit the warrant was based on, turned out to be 100% true and accurate.

Next !!!!

Sorry, but not necessarily correct.
If you strongly suspect a crime but falsify the warrant, then the search is still illegal and the case invalid, even if the search turns up what was suspected.

As long as Trump was only taking copies and not depriving future presidents of information, there really is no way he could have committed a crime unless he started selling them to the Russians or something like that.

 

[Lesh]

Actually Trump should try to use the Hillary Clinton excuse. It would prove him extremely guilty. Since unlike Hillary's emails, they had no classified stamps (headers and footers) on the documents, where Trumps documents are clearly stamped Classified, Secret, Top Secret and even TS/SCI on them.

Of course Trump could claim he declassified everything in his possession, but never allowed his staff to actually change their classification.

It's just like when Trump ordered Don McGahn to fire Robert Mueller. But McGahn never fired Mueller. The Mueller firing, even though Trump had ordered it, was never carried out. The same goes for declassifying information. If those he ordered to declassify the documents, fail to do so.

A "right" granted by a law dictated by the Supreme Court.

Turns out the Supreme Court doesn't have the Constitutional Authority to make laws.

Who knew?

That’s accurate as hell. Trump tweeted that he was declassifying “everything related to Crossfire Hurricane “ and Meadows walked that back the next day

 

[meaner gene]

Wrong.

The rules for storing classified documents are dictated by the president, and do not apply to an ex-president.

They apply to all persons in the united states.


What became law was S. 139... which extended Section 702 for another five years.

Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

With Trump’s signing S. 139 into law, that became: “ … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.” And with that, it became a felony.

 

[meaner gene]

The National Archives make all documents public, so then have to destroy anything classified, so typically only retain 3% of what is given to them.

Why are you always lying? The National Archives destroys NOTHING.

Hear me NOTHING.

They are an official classified information repository of the United States Government. Just like the Pentagon, or CIA.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong....
The presidential records act automatically transfers ownership to the National Archives. Anybody holding onto presidential records not turned over to the National Archives is guilty of theft against the United States Government.

Wrong.
The National Archies are NOT to ever get anything classified, because anything given to them automatically becomes public.
Presidents have total discretion, and can keep whatever they feel necessary for memoirs, etc.
If you read up on the National Archives, they themselves admit they only keep about 3% of what is dumped on them, and the rest burned.

And by the way, it is impossible to be "guilty of theft against the United States Government".
The US government owns nothing at all and has no property rights that only individuals can have.

 

[meaner gene]

Sorry, but not necessarily correct.
If you strongly suspect a crime but falsify the warrant, then the search is still illegal and the case invalid, even if the search turns up what was suspected.

The affidavit swears to the crime, under penalty of perjury. If the person lied, they could be prosecuted for perjury, and the warrant invalidated.

But in this case, everything in the warrant application was verified TRUE, by the search.

You are talking about a case where the search doesn't turn up what they're looking for, but find some other crime.

That wasn't this case.