Universal Healthcare - will not work in the US

[JoeB131]

My daughters were both competitive gymnasts and now play high level hoops and LAX. Multiple injuries and seen quickly and treated well at some of the best hospitals in the world. I ll Stick with what I have.

Awesome. Everyone else should have the same level of care.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

My daughters were both competitive gymnasts and now play high level hoops and LAX. Multiple injuries and seen quickly and treated well at some of the best hospitals in the world. I ll Stick with what I have.

Awesome. Everyone else should have the same level of care.

That’s crazy. So should everyone have the same level of housing, automobiles and clothes? Sorry. If they want it they need to work for it. This is not communism.

 

[JoeB131]

That’s crazy. So should everyone have the same level of housing, automobiles and clothes? Sorry. If they want it they need to work for it. This is not communism.

This isn't communism yet.

People like you will probably get us there, though.

If 50% of people would benefit more from Communism than Capitalism, then why would they vote for more Capitalism?

Here's the thing.

40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth. Another 20% have less than 4% of the wealth.

The 20% above that, where I am at, have 7% of the wealth. Probably doing just well enough to not really want socialism, but we can see the system is unfair. They know they are doing okay, but one serious illness could wipe them out completely.

The top 20% that have 83% of the wealth benefit from the status quo...

 

[Sun Devil 92]

My daughters were both competitive gymnasts and now play high level hoops and LAX. Multiple injuries and seen quickly and treated well at some of the best hospitals in the world. I ll Stick with what I have.

Awesome. Everyone else should have the same level of care.

They should pay for it.

 

[Polishprince]

That’s crazy. So should everyone have the same level of housing, automobiles and clothes? Sorry. If they want it they need to work for it. This is not communism.

This isn't communism yet.

People like you will probably get us there, though.

If 50% of people would benefit more from Communism than Capitalism, then why would they vote for more Capitalism?

Here's the thing.

40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth. Another 20% have less than 4% of the wealth.

The 20% above that, where I am at, have 7% of the wealth. Probably doing just well enough to not really want socialism, but we can see the system is unfair. They know they are doing okay, but one serious illness could wipe them out completely.

The top 20% that have 83% of the wealth benefit from the status quo...

Communism leads to poverty, however.

Under a communist system, there is a huge caste of have-nots and a few party bosses who live like royalty.

But the thing is , these party bosses produce nothing but misery. They aren't innovators but tyrants. So the overall income goes down.

Before 1959, Cuba used to be one of the wealthiest nations of the hemisphere next to America. However, communism has caused place to reach Shithole status. 90 miles away people living in squalor, eating garbage, people telling them what to do. Pathetic.

The only good thing is that the Evil Doers at Guantanamo Bay don't want to escape as they can see how well they have it compared to the slaves of Communism.

Ditto with Venezuela. Extremely rich nation, but they overdosed on liberalism and the people are starving in the streets.

 

[JoeB131]

They should pay for it.

So by your logic, a little black girl should die of a treatable disease because her parents can't afford it?

Just asking.

I'm reminded of the story of the two bears... one spent the summer playing while the other spent the summer fattening up for hibernation.

The fat bear told the skinny one that he should have done more to get ready, and then went off to sleep.

The skinny one went into the cave and ate him.

 

[Polishprince]

Awesome. Everyone else should have the same level of care.

That's of course an Impossibility.

Everyone can't have the same level of care, as the care givers aren't all on the same level.

There are competent, high quality doctors, and there are Total Quacks, as well as every level in between.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

They should pay for it.

So by your logic, a little black girl should die of a treatable disease because her parents can't afford it?

Just asking.

I'm reminded of the story of the two bears... one spent the summer playing while the other spent the summer fattening up for hibernation.

The fat bear told the skinny one that he should have done more to get ready, and then went off to sleep.

The skinny one went into the cave and ate him.

Really......?

A little black girl should die of a treatable disease because her parents won't pay for it ?

The skinny bear would have died trying.

 

[satrebil]

That’s crazy. So should everyone have the same level of housing, automobiles and clothes? Sorry. If they want it they need to work for it. This is not communism.

This isn't communism yet.

People like you will probably get us there, though.

If 50% of people would benefit more from Communism than Capitalism, then why would they vote for more Capitalism?

Here's the thing.

40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth. Another 20% have less than 4% of the wealth.

The 20% above that, where I am at, have 7% of the wealth. Probably doing just well enough to not really want socialism, but we can see the system is unfair. They know they are doing okay, but one serious illness could wipe them out completely.

The top 20% that have 83% of the wealth benefit from the status quo...

People vote for socialism/communism because they're ignorant. They've been brainwashed to believe their "wealth" is being stolen by upper class boogeymen.

People like Jeff Bezos didn't steal anything from me. He got rich because he created a product I like to use and am willing to pay for. It's that simple.

Under capitalism, the only thing stopping you from becoming the next Jeff Bezos is YOU.

 

[JoeB131]

Communism leads to poverty, however.

Under a communist system, there is a huge caste of have-nots and a few party bosses who live like royalty.

But the thing is , these party bosses produce nothing but misery. They aren't innovators but tyrants. So the overall income goes down.

Okay, you see, the funny thing about your argument is that most of the countries that have tried communism were miserable places to live before the Communists took over. That's why the Communists won.

Russia in 1960 was a much better place to live than Russia in 1917 for most people.

Before 1959, Cuba used to be one of the wealthiest nations of the hemisphere next to America. However, communism has caused place to reach Shithole status. 90 miles away people living in squalor, eating garbage, people telling them what to do. Pathetic.

Uh, guy, Cuba was a shithole before the Communists took over. 75% of the arable land was owned by foreigners.


In an interview with Jean Daniel in October 1963, then President Kennedy said: “I believe that there is no country in the world, including the African regions, including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonisation, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my country’s policies during the Batista regime."


Now, being Americans, instead of owning up to what we did wrong, we've spent the last 60 years punishing Cuba like an angry ex-girlfriend drunk dialing her boyfriend.

"Castro, you Communist!!!"

Ironically, we've probably hardened their resolve to keep Communism...

Ditto with Venezuela. Extremely rich nation, but they overdosed on liberalism and the people are starving in the streets.

And why do you think they've voted for that? Maybe because all those riches weren't getting down to average folks.

 

[JoeB131]

People vote for socialism/communism because they're ignorant. They've been brainwashed to believe their "wealth" is being stolen by upper class boogeymen.

People like Jeff Bezos didn't steal anything from me. He got rich because he created a product I like to use and am willing to pay for. It's that simple.

No, he didn't steal it from you. He did steal it from the people working in his warehouses for minimum wage, the truck drivers recklessly driving to make sure they hit their quotas, and so on...

 

[easyt65]

I can't wait until Senate Republicans there will be a trial ... THEY will call Schiff, Schiff's staff, the non-existent Whistle Blower, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, several of Hunter Biden's old Board Members, the now-fired Ukraine Prosecutor, and Nancy Pelosi to testify ... Democrats will ONLY be able to call witnesses the GOP allow ... Democrats will only be allowed to ask GOP pre-approved questions ...



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[Sun Devil 92]

Communism leads to poverty, however.

Under a communist system, there is a huge caste of have-nots and a few party bosses who live like royalty.

But the thing is , these party bosses produce nothing but misery. They aren't innovators but tyrants. So the overall income goes down.

Okay, you see, the funny thing about your argument is that most of the countries that have tried communism were miserable places to live before the Communists took over. That's why the Communists won.

Russia in 1960 was a much better place to live than Russia in 1917 for most people.

Before 1959, Cuba used to be one of the wealthiest nations of the hemisphere next to America. However, communism has caused place to reach Shithole status. 90 miles away people living in squalor, eating garbage, people telling them what to do. Pathetic.

Uh, guy, Cuba was a shithole before the Communists took over. 75% of the arable land was owned by foreigners.


In an interview with Jean Daniel in October 1963, then President Kennedy said: “I believe that there is no country in the world, including the African regions, including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonisation, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my country’s policies during the Batista regime."


Now, being Americans, instead of owning up to what we did wrong, we've spent the last 60 years punishing Cuba like an angry ex-girlfriend drunk dialing her boyfriend.

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"Castro, you Communist!!!"

Ironically, we've probably hardened their resolve to keep Communism...

Ditto with Venezuela. Extremely rich nation, but they overdosed on liberalism and the people are starving in the streets.

And why do you think they've voted for that? Maybe because all those riches weren't getting down to average folks.

Revolution bringing in communism often happens when the existing "regime" is terrible.

 

[satrebil]

People vote for socialism/communism because they're ignorant. They've been brainwashed to believe their "wealth" is being stolen by upper class boogeymen.

People like Jeff Bezos didn't steal anything from me. He got rich because he created a product I like to use and am willing to pay for. It's that simple.

No, he didn't steal it from you. He did steal it from the people working in his warehouses for minimum wage, the truck drivers recklessly driving to make sure they hit their quotas, and so on...

Really? Were they forced to work there? Or did they agree to the terms laid forth in their employment contracts?

 

[JoeB131]

I can't wait until Senate Republicans there will be a trial ... THEY will call Schiff, Schiff's staff, the non-existent Whistle Blower, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, several of Hunter Biden's old Board Members, the now-fired Ukraine Prosecutor, and Nancy Pelosi to testify ... Democrats will ONLY be able to call witnesses the GOP allow ... Democrats will only be allowed to ask GOP pre-approved questions ...

What does that have to do with Universal health care?

 

[JoeB131]

Really? Were they forced to work there? Or did they agree to the terms laid forth in their employment contracts?

Uh, guy... most people don't have "contracts" where they work. In fact, usually they work in "at Will Employment" states where there are no contracts.... that's the whole point.

Now, used to be we had unions that spelled out working conditions and assured fair wages... not so much anymore.

When the Romanovs were shot, they had no idea what they had done wrong.

Our One Percenters will be equally clueless.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Really? Were they forced to work there? Or did they agree to the terms laid forth in their employment contracts?

Uh, guy... most people don't have "contracts" where they work. In fact, usually they work in "at Will Employment" states where there are no contracts.... that's the whole point.

Now, used to be we had unions that spelled out working conditions and assured fair wages... not so much anymore.

When the Romanovs were shot, they had no idea what they had done wrong.

Our One Percenters will be equally clueless.

The one percenters will have an army to blow your ass away when you come for them.

But, please go for it.

Picking your dead ass up from the street will be a liberating day.

 

[satrebil]

Really? Were they forced to work there? Or did they agree to the terms laid forth in their employment contracts?

Uh, guy... most people don't have "contracts" where they work. In fact, usually they work in "at Will Employment" states where there are no contracts.... that's the whole point.

Now, used to be we had unions that spelled out working conditions and assured fair wages... not so much anymore.

When the Romanovs were shot, they had no idea what they had done wrong.

Our One Percenters will be equally clueless.

Contract or not, they AGREED to the wage they receive by accepting the job. If you don't like it - QUIT. Nobody is forcing you to be there. If you think you're worth more, find a job that will pay you more. Why is this anyone's problem but YOURS?

 

[Polishprince]

Communism leads to poverty, however.

Under a communist system, there is a huge caste of have-nots and a few party bosses who live like royalty.

But the thing is , these party bosses produce nothing but misery. They aren't innovators but tyrants. So the overall income goes down.

Okay, you see, the funny thing about your argument is that most of the countries that have tried communism were miserable places to live before the Communists took over. That's why the Communists won.

Russia in 1960 was a much better place to live than Russia in 1917 for most people.

Before 1959, Cuba used to be one of the wealthiest nations of the hemisphere next to America. However, communism has caused place to reach Shithole status. 90 miles away people living in squalor, eating garbage, people telling them what to do. Pathetic.

Uh, guy, Cuba was a shithole before the Communists took over. 75% of the arable land was owned by foreigners.


In an interview with Jean Daniel in October 1963, then President Kennedy said: “I believe that there is no country in the world, including the African regions, including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonisation, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my country’s policies during the Batista regime."


Now, being Americans, instead of owning up to what we did wrong, we've spent the last 60 years punishing Cuba like an angry ex-girlfriend drunk dialing her boyfriend.

View attachment 291520
"Castro, you Communist!!!"

Ironically, we've probably hardened their resolve to keep Communism...

Ditto with Venezuela. Extremely rich nation, but they overdosed on liberalism and the people are starving in the streets.

And why do you think they've voted for that? Maybe because all those riches weren't getting down to average folks.

Actually , most Cubans want Freedom- they don't want communism. And America has kept a hands-off policy in regards to Cuba. The communist despots in charge stole a lot of American property, and we've just basically said "**** it".

No punishments at all, and Cuba trades with all kinds of nations all over the world.

But right now, Cuba is shit.

Listen to a Cuban immigrant explain.

 

[Polishprince]

People vote for socialism/communism because they're ignorant. They've been brainwashed to believe their "wealth" is being stolen by upper class boogeymen.

People like Jeff Bezos didn't steal anything from me. He got rich because he created a product I like to use and am willing to pay for. It's that simple.

No, he didn't steal it from you. He did steal it from the people working in his warehouses for minimum wage, the truck drivers recklessly driving to make sure they hit their quotas, and so on...

Actually, Amazon pays a lot more than minimum wage. In fact I think they pay more than twice the min wage to start. $15 an hour, I believe, as they are advertising for help in the Tremendous Trump labor market.