Universal Healthcare question for everyone

[dblack]

I'm not against a doctor setting his fee's. He isn't the problem.

What's the problem, in your view?

 

[pknopp]

Lol. Kill them all?

Why not? Should it exist for grocery stores?

This is why I simply so often post a "fake news".

 

[pknopp]

What's the problem, in your view?

Read the thread.

 

[dblack]

This is why I simply so often post a "fake news".

Because you have no other answer?

 

[PeterPilot]

As a tax payer, I would rather my federal taxes be spent on healthcare and education than on perpetual wars that violate the US Constitution.

 

[dblack]

Read the thread.

I have been. What do you think the problem is?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I'm not against a doctor setting his fee's. He isn't the problem.

How can a doctor do that when it’s a Govt controlled program? Please explain.

 

[rightwinger]

I was at Gettysburg one time and ran into a guy from UK.
We started talking and I asked about Universal Healthcare. He told me how he had open heart surgery the year before and that it was quickly approved. He showed up at the hospital, showed his ID card, had the procedure and never got a bill.

I told him how my wife had a minor heart procedure and we received a stack of bills 3/4 inch thick, had to go back and forth between the doctors and insurance for months and we ended up paying $12,000 out of pocket.

Yes, I would like universal healthcare

 

[crossbody]

Americans were just in favor of universal war with us paying Ukraine trillions of dollars to fight a war that was none of our business.

Stolen tax payer dollars. America is already too bankrupt for universal healthcare.

Just do like Texas does. Keep a lil pot of dough to the side. When the poor get sick pinch a lil bit from it.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

As a tax payer, I would rather my federal taxes be spent on healthcare and education than on perpetual wars that violate the US Constitution.

You already do. For illegals and those who scam the system.

 

[dblack]

As a tax payer, I would rather my federal taxes be spent on healthcare and education than on perpetual wars that violate the US Constitution.

Ok

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I was at Gettysburg one time and ran into a guy from UK.
We started talking and I asked about Universal Healthcare. He told me how he had open heart surgery the year before and that it was quickly approved. He showed up at the hospital, showed his ID card, had the procedure and never got a bill.

I told him how my wife had a minor heart procedure and we received a stack of bills 3/4 inch thick, had to go back and forth between the doctors and insurance for months and ai ended up paying $12,000 out of pocket.

Yes, I would like universal healthcare

You have poor insurance. That’s on you, bro. My folks have Humira. Look into it. It’s pricey but you don’t have these out of pocket issues

 

[Woodznutz]

So I ask again. How much should MDs get paid under UH? Since they can’t bill what they want a way a plumber or an architect could.

Plumbers will tell you their fees upfront. Hourly labor charge, parts needed, trip charge.

True story.
My second hernia surgery cost me (out of pocket) $150 more than the same surgery on the other side a few months earlier. I checked the details of the surgery including who was on the operating team and discovered a person not covered by my insurance. I contacted my insurance company, and they looked into it as well. The doctor had brought in a colleague as an observer who wasn't a covered physician but added a charge for (her) anyway. The insurance company reduced my bill by $150. If I hadn't had the same surgery earlier, I wouldn't have questioned the bill. How often this happens is anyone's guess.

 

[dblack]

I was at Gettysburg one time and ran into a guy from UK.
We started talking and I asked about Universal Healthcare. He told me how he had open heart surgery the year before and that it was quickly approved. He showed up at the hospital, showed his ID card, had the procedure and never got a bill.

I told him how my wife had a minor heart procedure and we received a stack of bills 3/4 inch thick, had to go back and forth between the doctors and insurance for months and we ended up paying $12,000 out of pocket.

Yes, I would like universal healthcare

I'd like a Maserati. Also, hookers and blow.

 

[rightwinger]

Does it? How so?

Because with universal healthcare a doctors fee is predetermined. The doctor does not have to submit bills, negotiate fees, bill the patient, go through collections

 

[E. Pluribus]

Career politicians will never solve the problem as long as medical lobbyists control them. Government has to be fixed before the medical industry can be.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Because with universal healthcare a doctors fee is predetermined. The doctor does not have to submit bills, negotiate fees, bill the patient, go through collections

Predetermined = govt controlled

 

[Maxdeath]

I always get a kick out of those that are big staunch universal healthcare advocates. They point to places that have it and say we should be like them. But they always seem to miss or they purposely forget all the little things that UH fails in.
First taxes have to increase, well past where they are today.
Second is a very large portion of our foreign aid would have to be scraped.
Third is we would have to streamline new drugs coming on to the scene so we would risk deaths due to improper vetting procedures.
Fourth is there would be no more private or semi private rooms unless you were willing to pay a huge expense.
Fifth is they always seem to miss the number of deaths each year just from waiting room times, and the amount of wait time for non life threatening surgical procedures.
Sixth they always overlook the fact that when an American surgeon opens a patient they can immediately tell if they had work done in another country and sometimes even tell in what country by the work that was done and by the parts used.
Seventh is we have people that swamp our current system either because they are hypochondriacs, do not have a family doctor or want medical attention and do not plan to ever pay for it.
Eighth is our current system is inefficient because we have paperwork being processed and examined for any problems that the companies can use to lower a bill or refuse to pay it in hopes of keeping a higher profit margin.
Last but not least is unscrupulous doctors, billing for unnecessary procedures or high prices for procedures, things that were not necessary or not used, etc.

 

[BULLDOG]

Libs want UH. Bernie Sanders is a champion of it but there are many who agree with the Socialist.

The argument is that it works in Europe.

Now in Europe education is free. It’s not in the US. A MD will not begin to make real money til they have gone through 4 yrs of undergrad, 3 yrs of med school and a 4 yr residency. That’s expensive and usually the lie between $400-600k in debt. Funny, I have a client who is an MD from India. In India he said you go straight to med school. No undergrad requirement. Makes sense. But I digress. Let’s say the person goes through the undergrad, med school and residency and soon becomes a renowned surgeon like Dr. James Andrews was.

Let’s say he gets paid $4mil per year. Now comes UH. How much does that doctor make now? How does UH reward our best doctors?

If I am a plumber I may charge what I want. Why can’t I do that as a doctor?

If you're worried about doctors making money, I wouldn't. Dr. Daughter was a starving resident not long ago. I had to help her meet her bills. Since then, she bought a house and gave me a new truck. Working doctors make as much as TV preachers.

 

[Crepitus]

Libs want UH. Bernie Sanders is a champion of it but there are many who agree with the Socialist.

The argument is that it works in Europe.

Now in Europe education is free. It’s not in the US. A MD will not begin to make real money til they have gone through 4 yrs of undergrad, 3 yrs of med school and a 4 yr residency. That’s expensive and usually the lie between $400-600k in debt. Funny, I have a client who is an MD from India. In India he said you go straight to med school. No undergrad requirement. Makes sense. But I digress. Let’s say the person goes through the undergrad, med school and residency and soon becomes a renowned surgeon like Dr. James Andrews was.

Let’s say he gets paid $4mil per year. Now comes UH. How much does that doctor make now? How does UH reward our best doctors?

If I am a plumber I may charge what I want. Why can’t I do that as a doctor?

The biggest thing we could do to lower healthcare costs is eliminate the middle-man.

Unite healthcare all by itself made a profit of nearly $23 billion dollars last year. If you expand that to the biggest 6, which comprise 30% of the market, that nearly $100 billion.

So if 30% made $100 billion, than 100% probably made around 1/3 of a trillion dollars.

Look, we just cut healthcare expenses by 35% and nobody touched the DR.s salary.