Universal Healthcare question for everyone

[Crepitus]

First taxes have to increase, well past where they are today.

Couple that with the reduction in healthcare expenses and most people will come out ahead.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

If you're worried about doctors making money, I wouldn't. Dr. Daughter was a starving resident not long ago. I had to help her meet her bills. Since then, she bought a house and gave me a new truck. Working doctors make as much as TV preachers.

Now. How would she fare under UH and yes you have to help them during residency. If she can’t set her prices how does she pay back student debt

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The biggest thing we could do to lower healthcare costs is eliminate the middle-man.

Unite healthcare all by itself made a profit of nearly $23 billion dollars last year. If you expand that to the biggest 6, which comprise 30% of the market, that nearly $100 billion.

So if 30% made $100 billion, than 100% probably made around 1/3 of a trillion dollars.

Look, we just cut healthcare expenses by 35% and nobody touched the DR.s salary.

What would determine the MDs comp? Would they be allowed to set their own prices?

 

[Crepitus]

What would determine the MDs comp? Would they be allowed to set their own prices?

What makes you think they are now?

 

[BULLDOG]

Now. How would she fare under UH and yes you have to help them during residency. If she can’t set her prices how does she pay back student debt

Do you think doctors will be working for minimum wage?

 

[Arlette]

Libs want UH. Bernie Sanders is a champion of it but there are many who agree with the Socialist.

The argument is that it works in Europe.

Now in Europe education is free. It’s not in the US. A MD will not begin to make real money til they have gone through 4 yrs of undergrad, 3 yrs of med school and a 4 yr residency. That’s expensive and usually the lie between $400-600k in debt. Funny, I have a client who is an MD from India. In India he said you go straight to med school. No undergrad requirement. Makes sense. But I digress. Let’s say the person goes through the undergrad, med school and residency and soon becomes a renowned surgeon like Dr. James Andrews was.

Let’s say he gets paid $4mil per year. Now comes UH. How much does that doctor make now? How does UH reward our best doctors?

If I am a plumber I may charge what I want. Why can’t I do that as a doctor?

What are you saying? Single payer works in every other country but it wouldn't work here? How many countries have scrapped their UHC and replaced it with our system?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

What makes you think they are now?

Experience of what I ve encountered

 

[Arlette]

Do you think doctors will be working for minimum wage?

That's what he makes it sound like.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Do you think doctors will be working for minimum wage?

No. But they won’t be able to set their own prices. Right? They will essentially be working for the Govt

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

What are you saying? Single payer works in every other country but it wouldn't work here? How many countries have scrapped their UHC and replaced it with our system?

It does? Says who? In other countries the rich pay out of pocket for better service. Plus in other countries education is free and we don’t have a precedent of doctors getting paid very well.

 

[Crepitus]

Experience of what I ve encountered

Well they don't. those prices are negotiated with insurance companies.

 

[Crepitus]

It does? Says who? In other countries the rich pay out of pocket for better service. Plus in other countries education is free and we don’t have a precedent of doctors getting paid very well.

Do you actually think DRs aren't paid well in other countries?

'Cause that's bullshit.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Well they don't. those prices are negotiated with insurance companies.

But they get to negotiate them. With UH there isn’t any negotiation. They have to do what the Govt tells em. Here MDs can choose not to work with certain insurance providers

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Do you actually think DRs aren't paid well in other countries?

'Cause that's bullshit.

Define “well”

Pretty sure they are paid way better here and again education is free there versus here. Correct? Are we going to provide free education too?

 

[pknopp]

I always get a kick out of those that are big staunch universal healthcare advocates. They point to places that have it and say we should be like them. But they always seem to miss or they purposely forget all the little things that UH fails in.
First taxes have to increase, well past where they are today.

Not necessarily. As already pointed out we could quit funding stupid useless wars. You don't take into consideration how many are already paying thousands of dollars a year for insurance.

Second is a very large portion of our foreign aid would have to be scraped.

Let's do it.

Third is we would have to streamline new drugs coming on to the scene so we would risk deaths due to improper vetting procedures.

No we wouldn't.

Fourth is there would be no more private or semi private rooms unless you were willing to pay a huge expense.

Maybe.

Fifth is they always seem to miss the number of deaths each year just from waiting room times, and the amount of wait time for non life threatening surgical procedures.

People aren't keeling over dead in UHC countries.

Sixth they always overlook the fact that when an American surgeon opens a patient they can immediately tell if they had work done in another country and sometimes even tell in what country by the work that was done and by the parts used.

No idea if this is true or not or how it is even relevant.

Seventh is we have people that swamp our current system either because they are hypochondriacs, do not have a family doctor or want medical attention and do not plan to ever pay for it.

We do.

Eighth is our current system is inefficient because we have paperwork being processed and examined for any problems that the companies can use to lower a bill or refuse to pay it in hopes of keeping a higher profit margin.

And that will go.

Last but not least is unscrupulous doctors, billing for unnecessary procedures or high prices for procedures, things that were not necessary or not used, etc.

Sure, and we need to address that.

 

[Arlette]

It does? Says who? In other countries the rich pay out of pocket for better service. Plus in other countries education is free and we don’t have a precedent of doctors getting paid very well.

Yes. And the proof is in the pudding. No country that has UHC is interested in abolishing their system and replace it with what we have. Are doctors and health care workers out in the streets demanding better pay in the UK or Canada etc etc? No.

 

[Crepitus]

With UH there isn’t any negotiation.

Of course there is. They negotiate prices for medicare/medicade right now.

 

[BULLDOG]

No. But they won’t be able to set their own prices. Right? They will essentially be working for the Govt

And loan companies can't set their own rates. Are they working for the government? Companies can't set their own minimum wages except in special circumstances. Are all companies working for the government?

 

[Arlette]

Of course there is. They negotiate prices for medicare/medicade right now.

Doctors here that treat vets are doing just fine.

 

[JoeB131]

Libs want UH. Bernie Sanders is a champion of it but there are many who agree with the Socialist.

The argument is that it works in Europe.

Now in Europe education is free. It’s not in the US. A MD will not begin to make real money til they have gone through 4 yrs of undergrad, 3 yrs of med school and a 4 yr residency. That’s expensive and usually the lie between $400-600k in debt. Funny, I have a client who is an MD from India. In India he said you go straight to med school. No undergrad requirement. Makes sense. But I digress. Let’s say the person goes through the undergrad, med school and residency and soon becomes a renowned surgeon like Dr. James Andrews was.

Let’s say he gets paid $4mil per year. Now comes UH. How much does that doctor make now? How does UH reward our best doctors?

If I am a plumber I may charge what I want. Why can’t I do that as a doctor?

If you are going to be a doctor because you want a mansion and yacht, you are a doctor for the wrong reasons.

The vast majority us aren't going to get the millionaire doctors, anyway.

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