United we stand, Divided we fall?!?!?

[amrchaos]

Despite the name of this site, so of us are not citizens and are free to post there opinions here.

I think the posts of the non-citizens should be called "illegal immigrant postings"!!

IIP's for short!!

 

[Misty]

Among all the other crap I have to say the OP raises a good point. What comes first, the fact that we're all Americans and in it together, or the disagreements over where we should be going?

There are plenty of nasty nutters on both sides. But I'd love to think most people are rational and able to set all the left/right bullshit aside when it counts like most of us did after 9/11.

Ya we were altogether until the libs voted for war and then used it to political crush George bush.

 

[Murf76]

If it's kooky (sic) to advocate for equality, then I guess it's the left that's 'kooky'. If Obama led us into an unjustifiable war, then I'd say he's doing harm to the country. If it's 'kooky' to uphold the law of the land and guarantee reproductive freedom to women, then it's just a lefty, kooky country.

But I believe that all Americans deserve equal rights. I believe that women deserve the right to their own uterus. I believe that we actually elected this president and he is serving legitimately.

I guess concepts like freedom, equality and justice for all is now considered 'kooky lefty'.

What moral ascendancy is left for Conservatives? They have abandoned the notion that freedom extends to all Americans. I guess they feel that property rights trump personal rights.

Horse hockey. We are created equal. That's a value statement about human life. It doesn't give our federal government the right to equalize us, robbing from some to provide for others.

Your "unalienable rights" are about what the government can't do TO you... not what you want it to do FOR you.

 

[Care4all]

The devil divides, as Christ said!

 

[Cuyo]

This is a concept that I learned when I was itty and bitty.. It also happens to be a concept in our pledge of alligence..

So are we? Are we one nation??

I have been on these boards a couple of months now and I can't say that I see that we are..

Conservatives are hell bent on doing everything they can to hate and stop liberals from doing anything.. There is no sense of team spirit what so ever.. To be fair, some liberals aren't much better..

Team spirit? Are you kidding? Why would Conservatives assist Progressives who are attempting to install a socialist system?
Congress isn't a Kindergarten class where everyone 'takes turns'. Legislation is supposed to be hard. Fettering citizens with new laws should be a serious business featuring vigorous debate and genuine consensus.

Gay marriage?? Are not homosexuals americans?? Do they not deserve the same rights and privileges as the rest of us.. They do not have the same rights and privileges as straight people do.. Straight people can marry who they are in love with.. Homosexuals can't.. There is a difference..

Abortion? The bottom line here is that it is currently legal.. Roe V. Wade made it legal and that is the current law of the land.. So to hold a current healthcare bill back because of funding for abortion is stupid.. It is the law, and that is the way it is..

These are 10th Amendment issues. You take the referee off the field when the U.S. Constitution is abused. What happens next is division and tumult. And THAT is the crux of all the irreconcilable differences we have now. It is why there can be no agreement. The rulebook has been tossed out. There is no final arbiter of what is right and what is wrong. And without that Higher Authority which resolves differences in opinion, the only arbiter left is 'right of might'.

Social issues and social spending are supposed to fall under the providence of the States. And twisting our Constitution like a taffy pull at the county fair was fun and games for both parties... until now, when the bottom has dropped out. It was the glue which bound us together.



No. It's not the "simple truth". Obama is YOUR president, not mine, not in any way that means anything. And that's was HIS decision. It was HIS job to set the tone of bipartisanship. He's not a legislator anymore. The Executive Branch has a different function, one that doesn't tolerate partisanship well, one that demands a certain level of impartiality.

Obama has selected partisanship from the first. He chose to represent you and not me. So... now, he lives with his choice. It's his own "hatred and disrespect", reflected back to him, that he's experiencing.



It's got funding. But it's so wasteful and so corrupt that the funding is never enough. It always want more. Right this moment, our Congress is spending money hand over fist that we don't have, that's damaging our financial standing in the world. When do we draw the line? When do we say enough is enough?
This Congress shouldn't get one more thin dime until they prove they can be responsible with their spending and stop using OUR MONEY to promote their own political careers.

Religion is a major issue inour nation.. As the line on most issues can be drawn right down religious lines..

The facts of the matter are this.. This nation was never created with the intent of being a christian nation.. Most of our founding fathers were not christian.. They came here looking for religious freedom.. The very first amendment gives all of us that freedom.. That amendment does something else as well.. It seperates church and state.. A government simply can't govern a people of many religions unless the government is free from all religions..

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." What that means is that the government can't interfere with religion. It doesn't mean that religion can't interfere with government. IOW, the government can't tell you what religion to practice or limit your ability to practice it. That's all it says.

The "wall of separation between the church and the state" was a phrase coined by Jefferson in 1802 as he assured a Baptist congregation that the government couldn't bother them.
Separation Of Church And State

We are all americans..

Some of us are conservative and some are liberals..

Some of us are christian and some of us are not..

But we are all americans.. It is time we start acting like it..

What say you?

Why should Americans give a rat's ass about France? You want this country to be France? You want a centralized socialist system in place of the federalism and constitutionally guaranteed liberty we were founded upon? Then don't be all shocked and dismayed that there's division in this country in the form of Americans who don't want to be Frenchmen.

The referee is off the field. The U.S. Constitution was the only glue which bound us together. Without it, there is NO UNITY, nothing we can agree upon that is above the opinion and will of either of us.

 

[Cuyo]

Among all the other crap I have to say the OP raises a good point. What comes first, the fact that we're all Americans and in it together, or the disagreements over where we should be going?

There are plenty of nasty nutters on both sides. But I'd love to think most people are rational and able to set all the left/right bullshit aside when it counts like most of us did after 9/11.

Ya we were altogether until the libs voted for war and then used it to political crush George bush.

What a joke. Bush was easily the worst presidency in a generation, by any means of measurement you choose to use. He needed no help from the evil libs; He destroyed himself. Damned if he didn't leave us with one hell of a mess too.

 

[Care4all]

Besides the fact that they did NOT vote for war, they voted for the iraqi resolution....read it sometime when you get a chance.....

Voting for war takes 2/3's of the house and 2/3's of the senate, with a war declaration.

 

[Cuyo]

Besides the fact that they did NOT vote for war, they voted for the iraqi resolution....read it sometime when you get a chance.....

Voting for war takes 2/3's of the house and 2/3's of the senate, with a war declaration.

It is a common misnomer that we are at war. We are not at war. War takes place between the armed forces of two or more nations. What we are involved in are, by definition, military occupations.

 

[Nosmo King]

If it's kooky (sic) to advocate for equality, then I guess it's the left that's 'kooky'. If Obama led us into an unjustifiable war, then I'd say he's doing harm to the country. If it's 'kooky' to uphold the law of the land and guarantee reproductive freedom to women, then it's just a lefty, kooky country.

But I believe that all Americans deserve equal rights. I believe that women deserve the right to their own uterus. I believe that we actually elected this president and he is serving legitimately.

I guess concepts like freedom, equality and justice for all is now considered 'kooky lefty'.

What moral ascendancy is left for Conservatives? They have abandoned the notion that freedom extends to all Americans. I guess they feel that property rights trump personal rights.

Horse hockey. We are created equal. That's a value statement about human life. It doesn't give our federal government the right to equalize us, robbing from some to provide for others.

Your "unalienable rights" are about what the government can't do TO you... not what you want it to do FOR you.

OOOooo! Robbing us! What the hell do you mean by that? What is being "robbed" from you to ensure equal rights for all Americans?

I think what is being "robbed" is your stilted view that all Americans should NOT be equal before the law.

 

[Murf76]

Did you have a comment on my post Cuyo?... some point you'd like to address?... some refutation of my logic?

Or are you just posting self-portraits this morning???

 

[Coyote]

Among all the other crap I have to say the OP raises a good point. What comes first, the fact that we're all Americans and in it together, or the disagreements over where we should be going?

There are plenty of nasty nutters on both sides. But I'd love to think most people are rational and able to set all the left/right bullshit aside when it counts like most of us did after 9/11.

Ya we were altogether until the libs voted for war and then used it to political crush George bush.

What a retarded post.

 

[Cuyo]

Did you have a comment on my post Cuyo?.

Yeah I do. You're fit for a straightjacket.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Among all the other crap I have to say the OP raises a good point. What comes first, the fact that we're all Americans and in it together, or the disagreements over where we should be going?

There are plenty of nasty nutters on both sides. But I'd love to think most people are rational and able to set all the left/right bullshit aside when it counts like most of us did after 9/11.

Ya we were altogether until the libs voted for war and then used it to political crush George bush.

What a spot on accurate post!

 

[Murf76]

OOOooo! Robbing us! What the hell do you mean by that? What is being "robbed" from you to ensure equal rights for all Americans?

I think what is being "robbed" is your stilted view that all Americans should NOT be equal before the law.

What I mean is that it's a theft of property (money) from some citizens in order to provide for others, particularly where there is NO ENUMERATED POWER for the federal government to provide social welfare.

You do not have a "right" to your neighbor's purse. "Equal before the law" means that no citizen is of greater human worth than another. It's not about equalizing monetary values and evening things up.

 

[WillowTree]

this is a concept that i learned when i was itty and bitty.. It also happens to be a concept in our pledge of alligence..

So are we? Are we one nation??

I have been on these boards a couple of months now and i can't say that i see that we are..

Conservatives are hell bent on doing everything they can to hate and stop liberals from doing anything.. There is no sense of team spirit what so ever.. To be fair, some liberals aren't much better..

Gay marriage?? Are not homosexuals americans?? Do they not deserve the same rights and privileges as the rest of us.. They do not have the same rights and privileges as straight people do.. Straight people can marry who they are in love with.. Homosexuals can't.. There is a difference..

Abortion? The bottom line here is that it is currently legal.. Roe v. Wade made it legal and that is the current law of the land.. So to hold a current healthcare bill back because of funding for abortion is stupid.. It is the law, and that is the way it is..

Obama?? What has this person done to any of you to deserve your hatred and disrespect? He is your president and that is the simple truth.. It is your duty as an american to do anything you can to help him and this government to succeed.. If our government succeeds, then we succeed.. Lower taxes isn't the solution for everything.. That isn't to say that raising them is either.. But our government can't run on air.. It needs funding..

Religion is a major issue inour nation.. As the line on most issues can be drawn right down religious lines..

The facts of the matter are this.. This nation was never created with the intent of being a christian nation.. Most of our founding fathers were not christian.. They came here looking for religious freedom.. The very first amendment gives all of us that freedom.. That amendment does something else as well.. It seperates church and state.. A government simply can't govern a people of many religions unless the government is free from all religions..

We are all americans..

Some of us are conservative and some are liberals..

Some of us are christian and some of us are not..

But we are all americans.. It is time we start acting like it..

What say you?

i say the only time libtards want to be "one nation" is when they are in charge, the rest of the time the are protesting in the streets and calling the president of the united states a chimp.. So cry us a fucking river.

 

[Care4all]

yeah right...

we can clearly see how "even upped" it's gotten over the decades with all that money being robbed from the wealthiest...

 

[Murf76]

Did you have a comment on my post Cuyo?.

Yeah I do. You're fit for a straightjacket.

Ooooooooh! That's quite a rejoinder. My points about the U.S. Constitution being the natural arbiter of disputes and the division caused by the many depredations upon it are quite swept away. ....

 

[WillowTree]

The devil divides, as Christ said!

Who said "You reap what you sow"?

 

[Murf76]

yeah right...

we can clearly see how "even upped" it's gotten over the decades with all that money being robbed from the wealthiest...

Nearly 50% of citizens in this country don't pay federal income taxes at all. They've got no skin in the game. It doesn't matter to them if Washington is behaving responsibly with our tax dollars or not. In fact, what matters more to them is if politicians will dole some out in exchange for votes.

So... we have a system built on pandering and vote-buying whereby citizens may vote themselves largess from the public treasury. This can only be resolved by either taxing all citizens equally in proportion to their earnings, or restricting voting to only tax-paying citizens.

 

[Nosmo King]

OOOooo! Robbing us! What the hell do you mean by that? What is being "robbed" from you to ensure equal rights for all Americans?

I think what is being "robbed" is your stilted view that all Americans should NOT be equal before the law.

What I mean is that it's a theft of property (money) from some citizens in order to provide for others, particularly where there is NO ENUMERATED POWER for the federal government to provide social welfare.

You do not have a "right" to your neighbor's purse. "Equal before the law" means that no citizen is of greater human worth than another. It's not about equalizing monetary values and evening things up.

A careful review of my initial post on this thread would show that I never mentioned entitlement programs. How did you jump to that conclusion?