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Unintended Consequences of Banning Abortion

Rigby5

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How are any of these things unintended?

There certainly is nothing in that list that seems to be a major negative for the right. It is almost as though you are making a case for them.

Where do you get the asinine assertion that the right is ''anticipating' thousands of unwanted births?

What a silly statement. For the right, this has ALWAYS been about the killing of what they see as another person. It began and ended there for them.

They do NOT "see" abortions as killing "another person".
They are brainwashed by a particular religion to claim that instead.
 

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Israel is opportunist and sees the chance for getting more financial aid and political support. The fact the religious right does not see that they are shooting themselves in the foot, is extremely frustrating.
I would prefer many conservative values, like balanced budgets, limited federal authority, less gun control, etc., but pressing religious values on people is illegal and very unpopular. The religious right is falling on their own sword on this.

That would all depend on the state. We came up with the most strictest laws regarding abortion and Republicans still control our legislature.
 

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That is essentially impossible.
No birth control is very reliable, humans need to have lots of sex in order to be healthy, and a fertilized ovum is of no more value than an unfertilized one.
But most important of all is that no particular religion's view on fertilized ovum should have any influence over what anyone else wants to do.

No birth control is very reliable? I've used it my entire life with no problems. Same with friends and family.
 

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Sure smaller is easier to control, but by the wrong people.
That is how we had slavery, the wealthy plantation owners had total control of the southern state legislators.

And NO, states can NOT legally "write any laws they want".
That is the whole point of a republic.
The ONLY source of legal authority comes from the defense of individual rights, so then any law that infringes upon anyone, that is not justifiable due to its need in the defense of the rights of someone else, is totally and completely illegal.
That is why drug and prostitution laws are completely illegal.
They defend the rights of no one, but dictate based on subjective opinions instead.

And abortion laws are completely against the constitution because they violate the 14th amendment. State legislators have no legal standing over family planning issues, which are personal, private, and often religion based.

Clearly the anti-abortion pressure is coming entirely from religious groups, who then are essentially forcing a state religion on others.

Religion is not even mentioned in all this, so you can get off of that horse.

YOU don't get to decide what a right is, the courts do. Now show me in the debates of the 14th where they discussed abortion. If a state decides that abortion is murder, then its murder period. In my state if you got drunk, killed a pregnant woman on the way home, you would get charged with two deaths: one for the mother, and the other for her fetus. Several states are the same way.
 

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It's epidemic.. the self righteous Christian Taliban don't care about women, children or gun deaths.


Of course we do, that's why this new ruling is making people more responsible. It's why the court ruled that every American with some exceptions has the right to carry a firearm for self-defense. After all, we use our firearms between 1 and 4 million times a year for self-defense, the defense of others, or to stop a crime. Our solution is to have at least one good guy with a gun to protect children in schools.
 

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Think about the "morning after pill" and abortions. The U.S. spent the better part of three decades teaching school kids not much more than how to put a freaking condom on a banana. All of a sudden young babes are worried about getting pregnant when their alternative used to be to kill the life inside them? What freaking sense does that make?
 

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Of course we do, that's why this new ruling is making people more responsible. It's why the court ruled that every American with some exceptions has the right to carry a firearm for self-defense. After all, we use our firearms between 1 and 4 million times a year for self-defense, the defense of others, or to stop a crime. Our solution is to have at least one good guy with a gun to protect children in schools.

Good guy with a gun hasn't worked.
 

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Good guy with a gun hasn't worked.

Not all the time, but the best solution since there is no possible way to stop bad guys from getting guns. Dementia is trying to stop the good guys from getting guns which is as stupid as stopping all responsible drivers from using their car to stop DUI injuries and deaths.
 

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WTF!
 

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Abortion is still necessary, and clearly anyone who knows anything about sex would NOT recommend a different orifice.
Sperm can live for over a month.
Blimey, I didn't realise the IQ around conceiving these days was so bad.
 

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The delusions and hatred posted by cons in this thread are good examples proving the success the establishment has attained in dividing Americans.
I never see you criticizing Democrats.
 

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So let's see...you are an employer with a fecund woman in employ, she gets pregnant and asks for money to, in effect, kill the little rascal.

Is it cheaper to give her a couple thousand to do it, or to give her 4-6 months of PAID LEAVE to have the kid, then watch her performance and attendance go to shit for the next 18 years, as her job becomes priority #6, and taking care of the kid and everything else take the first five slots?

Paying a woman to kill her baby is bad enough, but the economics of it are crystal clear.
Leftists are praising the "support for women" being shown by these companies -- but it's solely and completely a matter of the bottom line.
 

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The intended consequence -
R.072b326dfe54a5c0f5b15aff367cffc5
 

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If less are conceived, then there are less to be killed. But that will not increase the birth rate.
Oh, so people are just going to stop having sex because they can’t kill the baby? You’re nuts.
 

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You'll never be able to wipe out liberalism. God didn't bless people with an equal amount of logic, and logic can't really be taught in schools.

The only way we would never have to deal with liberalism again is if we agreed to divide this country into two countries instead: one side for them and the other side for us. Then erect a huge Trump wall so they can't sneak into our country like they are sneaking into our states today.
When the Red states are bankrupt what will happen then...

How will ye try to blame that on Demorats too..
 

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America is a friendly country as far as wanting young women to have kids. There is a lot of resistance to paid maternity leave and other such helpful programs. So more young women decide not to have kids. Then the ones against those programs wonder why less kids are being born. It's comical really.
 

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Oh, so people are just going to stop having sex because they can’t kill the baby? You’re nuts.

Did you even read the fucking OP.

  • Requests for vasectomies and tubal ligation have increased significantly in the Abortion Banned states, as much as 900% in some areas.
  • Doctors in the banned states report large numbers of requests for birth control pills, and other types of contraception.
  • Interviews with women in banned states indicate women will begin paying more attentions to contraception and use the day after pill.

All of these will lead to less pregnancies, and less pregnancies means less abortions. One thing that has stayed pretty steady over the decades is the ratio of abortions to pregnancies.
 

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