Unintended Consequences of Banning Abortion

[Billy_Bob]

One possible unintended consequence is the scenario that I call Geronimos revenge.

The Hyde amendment prevents putting abortion clinics on federal land, but like casinos in states that ban them, indian territory is a sovereign nation, not subject to state laws or regulations.

Instead of casinos, you'll have abortion clinics springing up on indian land.

This includes all land within an Indian reservation and all land outside a reservation that has been placed under federal superintendence and designated primarily for Indian use. As a general rule, state laws do not apply to Indians in Indian country. Instead, tribal and federal laws apply.

One problem... The Indians abhor this practice as it goes against mother nature... Most Tribal councils say this is a NO GO..

 

[Rigby5]

Odd, isn't it, how everyone who says we need to reduce the population is still here, selfishly breathing?

Humans who are conscious are self aware, and it is harmful and painful to them to die.
But that is not true of a fetus that is not yet conscious or self aware.
It does not have any care about living or dying.

 

[meaner gene]

In 1851, Congress passed the Indian Appropriations Act which created Native American Indian reservations. Today, reservations can be found in 25 states.

Alaska, Arizona and California
Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi and Montana
Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Dakota and Utah
Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming

 

[Rigby5]

By all means, let's lower population: you first.

Those who have gone through the difficulties of birth and juvenile development, have earned the right to life.
A fetus has not.

 

[Rigby5]

Naturally, you'd believe that. You're a Communist. You're automatically a dumbass.

But let's laughably assume you're right for a moment. Why are you advocating Hitler's Final Solution?

Hitler wanted to eradicate Zionism from Europe because he considered it a threat to Germany.
Abortion is not any sort of eradication at all, but simply a delaying of growing a family until people are more financially stable.
Early families mean persistent poverty, crime, lack of education, etc.
Later families mean more prosperity.

 

[meaner gene]

One problem... The Indians abhor this practice as it goes against mother nature... Most Tribal councils say this is a NO GO..

For Indigenous Peoples, Abortion Is a Religious Right

The overturning of Roe v. Wade is part of a long legacy of American Christian values being forced on Indigenous communities.

www.yesmagazine.org

 

[meaner gene]

Those who have gone through the difficulties of birth and juvenile development, have earned the right to life.
A fetus has not.

It's part of a slippery slope. If they want to grant rights based on life begins at conception, you have a huge problem with in-vitro fertilization, and the frozen embryos the process produces.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The point is that what is defined as "conservative" is that which follows the original plan of the Founders. It is not based on the current desires of any particular political party. The definition of "conservative" means government can only do what it is explicitly authorized to do, and no more. State and local governments can only do what is absolutely necessary in order to defend inherent individual rights, (if it would infringe upon anyone).
The idea of defending the rights of a fetus could sort of fit that, but fails because it forces a religious definition of when a fetus becomes a human being, violates personal and private family matters, and violates medical science that tells us a fetus does not yet have higher brain functions.
The point being that anti abortion laws come from religious desires and not conservative legal principles. Conservative beliefs do not allow any violation of any personal religious opinions within a family.

So my "opinion" has nothing to do with it.
I am going by the classic definition of what being "conservative" means.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Show me where it is written "state and local governments only do what's absolutely necessary" for anything. Our founders designed this country so that states were to operate like small individual countries, and only unite on federal matters.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

States can make any law they desire as long as it's not violating the US Constitution, and now that includes abortion. So the people, and the state can totally prohibit abortion or make it legal right to the day of birth. It's their choice. Your anti-God rants about religion is not even a big player in all this. A lot of people on the right consider abortion as murder on moral grounds and not religion, as the belief in religion and God in general fades from our country every year according to polls.

 

[Captain Caveman]

If you abort one fetus that has not yet woken up and knows it is alive, and instead wait till later when one can afford to better support an actual child, then nothing is lost or harmed.

No. A healthy foetus is healthy life.

 

[dudmuck]

You idiots claim masks work. But you also don't demand illegals wear them.

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nobody checks your citizenship when you enter a store or other public business, so they demanded everybody wear masks, both illegals and citizens because.

 

[meaner gene]

States can make any law they desire as long as it's not violating the US Constitution, and now that includes abortion.

Any law? What about laws that don't recognize out of state marriage licenses, or drivers licenses. They certainly don't recognize out of state law or medical licenses. What stops them from expanding the list to virtually all out of state licenses?

 

[bendog]

There are a number of unintended consequences of overturning Roe v Wade

• Requests for vasectomies and tubal ligation have increased significantly in the Abortion Banned states, as much as 900% in some areas.
• The morning after pill is running in short supply as women in banned states are buying up local supplies
• The FDA made shipment of abortions pills through the mail legal opening the way for mail order buying.
• Producers of the abortion pills are increasing inventories preparing for increased demand.
• 6 states have started funds to help the poor travel to states that offer abortion services
• Planned Parenthood now has a 300 million dollar fund to assist low income women get abortions
• Over 30 major corporations including Amazon, Starbucks, and Microsoft have announced they will pay for travel for employees and families to get an abortion.
• Doctors in the banned states report large numbers of requests for birth control pills, and other types of contraception.
• Interviews with women in banned states indicate women will begin paying more attentions to contraception and use the day after pill.

It is looking more like the the hundreds of thousands of unwanted babies birthed by women under threat of arrest will be far less than the right anticipated due to more attention to contraception, the day after pill, use of abortion pills, increased sterilization, and travel assistance to abortion clinics from a number of sources.

mifepristone is "abortion" to the therocrats, and the can'tgetfucks want to arrest women traveling out of state

 

[meaner gene]

No. A healthy foetus is healthy life.

Does that include those that later develop spinabiffida or hydro-encephalitis?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You're celebrating the killing of human beings for profit.

You are not a good person.

I’m highlighting the inevitable reality of state restrictions. I made no value judgement.

 

[bendog]

Any law? What about laws that don't recognize out of state marriage licenses, or drivers licenses. They certainly don't recognize out of state law or medical licenses. What stops them from expanding the list to virtually all out of state licenses?

And abortion was legal because of the const for 50 years. Now lets lets see if these five wingnuts have the balls to mess with contraception and gay marriage

 

[Jarlaxle]

Just off the top of my head, with 63 million abortions and about 150 million women, that is about 1 out of every 3 had an abortion.

No.

In 1851, Congress passed the Indian Appropriations Act which created Native American Indian reservations. Today, reservations can be found in 25 states.

Alaska, Arizona and California
Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi and Montana
Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Dakota and Utah
Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming

Missed at least one.

Any law? What about laws that don't recognize out of state marriage licenses, or drivers licenses. They certainly don't recognize out of state law or medical licenses. What stops them from expanding the list to virtually all out of state licenses?

The full faith and credit clause, mostly.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Does that include those that later develop spinabiffida or hydro-encephalitis?

Here's a link on Spina Bifida, scroll down to Diagnosing Spina Bifida -

Spina bifida

Read about spina bifida, which is a condition where an unborn baby's spine and spinal cord does not develop properly.

www.nhs.uk

I hope that helps, I'm not a doctor, it's a profession that I didn't get into.

 

[meaner gene]

And abortion was legal because of the const for 50 years. Now lets lets see if these five wingnuts have the balls to mess with contraception and gay marriage

Actually the senior justice (Clarence Thomas) has said they should be overturned as well.

 

[meaner gene]

The full faith and credit clause, mostly.

I thought it was more the privileged and immunities.

 

[Flopper]

How many fewer do you think the overturning of RvW will bring?

Ironically, if the number does go down it will be because people are being more cautious

The number of reported abortions will continuing going down as they have been for years but now at a faster rate. A combination of better birth control, sterilization, use of the morning after pill, the abortion pill, and an increase in out of state abortions will reduce the number of reported abortion in states where abortions are banned. There will also be an increase in the number unwanted children born, however probably not as much as some have predicted.

Nearly half of the legal abortions are medical; that is the patient is given two pills to take at home 24 hours apart. The first pill (mifepristone) stops the hormone the body needs to continue the pregnancy. This is commonly called the abortion pill although it has other medical uses. A second pill (misoprostol) is taken in 24 hours to induce the miscarriage. This pill is not necessary for the abortion as a miscarriage will occur naturally without this pill. It just speeds up the process thus reducing the discomfort and pain.

The abortion pill is inexpensive and is being used around the world. Many countries including Mexico sell it over the counter and it can be mailed ordered into the US. It's expected that the abortion pill will be commonly available in states that ban abortion.

Since the abortion pill must be used within the first 10 weeks and considering the time it takes to get a shipment from overseas, women will probably want to keep a couple in their medicine cabinet. The sooner they take the pill after confirming their pregnancy the better. If it turns out the woman is not pregnant she will experience some nausea and other minor side effects for a day or so but there is no long term effects.