Uncanny Accuracy of the Bible!

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1. The historic component of the Bible is something we can test against independent, nonbiblical sources for accuracy. T.E. Lawrence and Leonard Woolley uncovered real evidence of Old Testament sites.




2. Carchemish was an important biblical landmark. This was the ancient city of the Hittites, whose state first developed in Mesopotamia between 2000 and 1700 BCE, and who sold land to Abraham in Genesis. In 605 BCE, Carchemish became the site of an important battle where the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar II defeated the Egyptians. The name Carchemish occurs on Babylonian tablets dating from 2000 BCE, and in Egyptian reference from 1470 BCE. Then it disappears from history in the seventh century BCE.

3. In 1876, archaeologist George Smith spotted similarities between the monuments existing at Djerabis, a horseshoe-shpaped embankment on the River Euphrates, and known Hittite stones in other localities. His suggestions sent Lawrence and Woolley on the track.

a.File:Leonard Woolley (right) and T.E.Lawrence at the British Museum's Excavations at Carchemish, Syria, in the spring of 1913.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

b. Hittite sculptures and slabs were uncovered, as well as correlations with Egyptian, Assyrian and Hebrew references. The biblical Carchemish had been found and verified.





4. Next, Lawrence and Woolley set out to locate the Bible’s Kadesh-Barnea, somewhere near the desert of Sinai, and south of the Dead Sea, called ‘the Wilderness of Zin’ in the Bible. The wanderings of the ancient Israelites is a focal point of Exodus, and Kadesh-Barnea was their headquarters for 38 of their 40 years of wandering. Data in support of the desert wanderings would be gold to biblical archaeology.

5. As of 1913, the earliest evidence of Israel’s existence outside of the Bible had appeared on the Merneptah Stele.

a. “The Merneptah Stele, also known as the Israel Stele, bears the oldest known written reference to Israel. Engraved with its current text in 1207 B.C.E., the 7.5-foot-high, black granite monolith was discovered in the ruins of Merneptah’s funerary temple in western Thebes in 1896. Most of its hieroglyphic text celebrates Merneptah’s defeat of the Libyans and their Sea Peoples allies in his fifth regnal year.

The text’s last three lines, however,briefly mention a campaign into Canaan against the background of a pacified eastern Mediterranean political situation: “The rulers lie prostrate saying ‘Peace’; none raises his head among the Nine Bows [Egypt’s traditional enemies, by now a literary convention]. Plundering is for Tehenu [Libya]. Hatti is at peace. Canaan has been plundered into every sort of woe. Ashkelon has been overcome. Gezer has been captured. Yano’am was made non-existent. Israel is laid waste, (and) his seed is not. Hurru [Canaan] is become a widow for Egypt. All lands are united in peace.”

The mention of Israel appears slightly to the left of center in the second line from the bottom. The glyphs include determinatives—signs indicating a word’s category—that classify Ashkelon, Gezer and Yano’am as city-states; but the determinative attached to Israel identifies it as a people, apparently not yet possessing a distinct city.’,
Shanks, ‘Questions & Comments’, Biblical Archaeology Review (17.06), November/December 1991





6. “It identified the northern Sinai site Ain el-Qudeirat, rather than nearby Ain Kadeis (which had previously been proposed), as the site of Biblical Kadesh-Barnea, where the Hebrews in the Exodus settled and from whence Moses sent men to spy out the land of Canaan (Deuteronomy 1:2, 19, 2:1; Numbers 13:3–21)…. they reasoned that only in the Kossaima district, which includes the sites of Ain el-Qudeirat, Kossaima, Muweilleh and Ain Kadeis, was there enough water and greenery to support a large tribal group. Moreover, Moses, in writing to the King of Edom, described Kadesh as “a city in the uttermost of thy border” (Numbers 20:16), and Lawrence and Woolley thought that the fortifications at Ain el-Qudeirat—assuming, on the basis of pottery, that they dated from the time of Moses—more nearly fit that description than any other site in the Kossaima area.” Lawrence of Arabia as Archaeologist, Stephen E. Tabachnick, BAR 23:05, Sep/Oct 1997 - CojsWiki.

7. Radiocarbon dating of organic remains collected by Bruins and van der Plicht prove Lawrence and Woolley correct.

a. “This identification, which was based on the biblical text, has been universally accepted.”
The Fortress at Kadesh-Barnea, Moshe Dothan, Ein el-Qudeirat, 1965 AD




So, then….at the very least, the Bible has been shown to be reliable as a record of historic truth. The archeological record is in accordance with the biblical text, substantiated by the above evidence.


Perhaps it contains other truths, as well....
 
They also found the ruins of Troy, believed to be mythical. Does this mean there's some other truths in the Illiad?


Is this meant to find some inaccuracy in the OP?

I don't see that it does.

The question is of relevance. That the Bible mentions real places and people does not mean that any of the particular claims are true. Are you unaware of the literary genre of historical fiction? Places, battles, historical events are often accurate, but fictionalized.

Add in things such as the Slaughter of Innocents from Matthew which is not documented anywhere else (including the other Gospels), and the discrepencies in the year of Jesus' birth, the fact that there are mentions of confirmed historical places/events is meaningless as far as the accuracy of the Bible as a whole.
 
They also found the ruins of Troy, believed to be mythical. Does this mean there's some other truths in the Illiad?


Is this meant to find some inaccuracy in the OP?

I don't see that it does.

The question is of relevance. That the Bible mentions real places and people does not mean that any of the particular claims are true. Are you unaware of the literary genre of historical fiction? Places, battles, historical events are often accurate, but fictionalized.

Add in things such as the Slaughter of Innocents from Matthew which is not documented anywhere else (including the other Gospels), and the discrepencies in the year of Jesus' birth, the fact that there are mentions of confirmed historical places/events is meaningless as far as the accuracy of the Bible as a whole.



"That the Bible mentions real places and people does not mean that any of the particular claims are true."

Hopefully you'll realize that the above makes no sense.


Once again....the OP relates to the historical accuracy of the Bible.

Your post does nothing to alter or rebut that fact....but does suggest an attitude based on bias.

True?
 
Is this meant to find some inaccuracy in the OP?

I don't see that it does.

The question is of relevance. That the Bible mentions real places and people does not mean that any of the particular claims are true. Are you unaware of the literary genre of historical fiction? Places, battles, historical events are often accurate, but fictionalized.

Add in things such as the Slaughter of Innocents from Matthew which is not documented anywhere else (including the other Gospels), and the discrepencies in the year of Jesus' birth, the fact that there are mentions of confirmed historical places/events is meaningless as far as the accuracy of the Bible as a whole.



"That the Bible mentions real places and people does not mean that any of the particular claims are true."

Hopefully you'll realize that the above makes no sense.

The you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. Back to Troy. The Illiad tells the story of the Trojan War...how Paris of Troy stole Helen, wife of King Menelaus of Sparta and how King Agamemnon of Mycanae lay seige to Troy for 10 years before defeating the city by means of the Trojan Horse. Various Greek gods and godesses played direct and indirect roles in the war.

The ancient Greeks considered the tale to be History, but also believed it to be inaccurate..that the number of ships was exaggerated, and even who the winners were.

By the 1800's, the story was considered completely mythical, until the ruins of Troy were actually found.

Now it is believed that Troy did exist, and there was a war at the time period of the Illiad, but does that mean that the war happened exactly as the Illiad claims? The the Greek gods and goddesses are real?

Of course not.


Once again....the OP relates to the historical accuracy of the Bible.

And, just like in the case of the historical accuracy of the Illiad, that the places are real and that some of the events did take place, it does not mean that everything happened just as was claimed and the supernatural elements are not supported.

Again, that parts of the Bible are confirmed through history does NOT mean that the Bible is in any way accurate as to the details of what happened.
 
the bible was one of the first history books.

It contains alot of knowledge.

Trying to pretend it is infallibale is just siliness
 
During the last couple of centuries the Bible has been used as guide by archeologists throughout the middle east.

And has proved to be very accurate; and helped lead to the discovery of ancient cities and various ruins.
 
The question is of relevance. That the Bible mentions real places and people does not mean that any of the particular claims are true. Are you unaware of the literary genre of historical fiction? Places, battles, historical events are often accurate, but fictionalized.

Add in things such as the Slaughter of Innocents from Matthew which is not documented anywhere else (including the other Gospels), and the discrepencies in the year of Jesus' birth, the fact that there are mentions of confirmed historical places/events is meaningless as far as the accuracy of the Bible as a whole.



"That the Bible mentions real places and people does not mean that any of the particular claims are true."

Hopefully you'll realize that the above makes no sense.

The you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. Back to Troy. The Illiad tells the story of the Trojan War...how Paris of Troy stole Helen, wife of King Menelaus of Sparta and how King Agamemnon of Mycanae lay seige to Troy for 10 years before defeating the city by means of the Trojan Horse. Various Greek gods and godesses played direct and indirect roles in the war.

The ancient Greeks considered the tale to be History, but also believed it to be inaccurate..that the number of ships was exaggerated, and even who the winners were.

By the 1800's, the story was considered completely mythical, until the ruins of Troy were actually found.

Now it is believed that Troy did exist, and there was a war at the time period of the Illiad, but does that mean that the war happened exactly as the Illiad claims? The the Greek gods and goddesses are real?

Of course not.


Once again....the OP relates to the historical accuracy of the Bible.

And, just like in the case of the historical accuracy of the Illiad, that the places are real and that some of the events did take place, it does not mean that everything happened just as was claimed and the supernatural elements are not supported.

Again, that parts of the Bible are confirmed through history does NOT mean that the Bible is in any way accurate as to the details of what happened.

"... that parts of the Bible are confirmed through history..."

That stipulation is acceptable.
 
While the Bible does contain historic truths, that doesn't mean everything it says is historical. For example, there's no archaeological evidence that the Exodus and the conquering of Canaan ever occurred as told. From all available evidence the Israelites were just another group of Canaanites and, if any came from Egypt, it was a very small group, not multitudes.
 
While the Bible does contain historic truths, that doesn't mean everything it says is historical. For example, there's no archaeological evidence that the Exodus and the conquering of Canaan ever occurred as told. From all available evidence the Israelites were just another group of Canaanites and, if any came from Egypt, it was a very small group, not multitudes.

Lawrence of Arabia seems to take issue with your view.


Care to conjecture on the specifics of the OP?
 
While the Bible does contain historic truths, that doesn't mean everything it says is historical. For example, there's no archaeological evidence that the Exodus and the conquering of Canaan ever occurred as told. From all available evidence the Israelites were just another group of Canaanites and, if any came from Egypt, it was a very small group, not multitudes.

Lawrence of Arabia seems to take issue with your view.

Care to conjecture on the specifics of the OP?

I did. Just because some things are true, doesn't mean it's all true. The Exodus was apparently concocted to "prove" the Israelites have a God-given right to Canaan/Palestine.
 
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Interesting? Modern scientific narrative and biblical narrative seem to agree here.
LIght....energy....but no sun...


But there’s more in the Genesis author’s narrative. There follows an order of events of the creation.
A pretty specific order of events.
And it’s surprisingly accurate.

are you okay?
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In the way Genesis was written, it is the fool who takes it literally. Mythology, symbolism, and metaphor are all used in the 'genesis' stories of all cultures. Genesis' author(s) had to be aware of this as they were literate men.

The Bible is a latecomer to this type of story
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How did it happen?

Most likely NOT the invisible hand of a god. Conservatives and progressives just love those invisible hands




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While the Bible does contain historic truths, that doesn't mean everything it says is historical. For example, there's no archaeological evidence that the Exodus and the conquering of Canaan ever occurred as told. From all available evidence the Israelites were just another group of Canaanites and, if any came from Egypt, it was a very small group, not multitudes.

Lawrence of Arabia seems to take issue with your view.

Care to conjecture on the specifics of the OP?

I did. Just because some things are true, doesn't mean it's all true. The Exodus was apparently concocted to "prove" the Israelites have a God-given right to Canaan/Palestine.



"The Exodus was apparently concocted to "prove" the Israelites have a God-given right to Canaan/Palestine."

You are a foolish fellow.

1. The timing of the Old Testament can be placed at the fourth century BCE.

2. An autonomous Palestinian political identity did not begin to assert itself until the mid-1960s. In the 1950s, no political organization existed around which a specifically Palestinian identity could be articulated. Pan-Arabism was a dominant mode of political expression, and the Hashimite regime strongly promoted Jordanian sovereignty over Palestinian affairs and identity.
Jordan - Palestinians
 
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Interesting? Modern scientific narrative and biblical narrative seem to agree here.
LIght....energy....but no sun...


But there’s more in the Genesis author’s narrative. There follows an order of events of the creation.
A pretty specific order of events.
And it’s surprisingly accurate.

are you okay?
http://www.usmessageboard.com/science-and-technology/277042-genesis-correlates-with-science.html

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How did it happen?

Most likely NOT the invisible hand of a god. Conservatives and progressives just love those invisible hands




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Lawrence of Arabia seems to take issue with your view.

Care to conjecture on the specifics of the OP?

I did. Just because some things are true, doesn't mean it's all true. The Exodus was apparently concocted to "prove" the Israelites have a God-given right to Canaan/Palestine.



"The Exodus was apparently concocted to "prove" the Israelites have a God-given right to Canaan/Palestine."

You are a foolish fellow.

1. The timing of the Old Testament can be placed at the fourth century BCE.

2. An autonomous Palestinian political identity did not begin to assert itself until the mid-1960s. In the 1950s, no political organization existed around which a specifically Palestinian identity could be articulated. Pan-Arabism was a dominant mode of political expression, and the Hashimite regime strongly promoted Jordanian sovereignty over Palestinian affairs and identity.
Jordan - Palestinians

Could you please stick to the specifics of my contention that the Exodus was concocted? It supposedly happened long before the 4th century BCE, so your comment only serves to bolster my case.

On your second point, until the 20th century there never were any countries called Belarus, Slovenia or Slovakia. Are you saying they're illegitimate?
 
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I did. Just because some things are true, doesn't mean it's all true. The Exodus was apparently concocted to "prove" the Israelites have a God-given right to Canaan/Palestine.



"The Exodus was apparently concocted to "prove" the Israelites have a God-given right to Canaan/Palestine."

You are a foolish fellow.

1. The timing of the Old Testament can be placed at the fourth century BCE.

2. An autonomous Palestinian political identity did not begin to assert itself until the mid-1960s. In the 1950s, no political organization existed around which a specifically Palestinian identity could be articulated. Pan-Arabism was a dominant mode of political expression, and the Hashimite regime strongly promoted Jordanian sovereignty over Palestinian affairs and identity.
Jordan - Palestinians

Could you please stick to the specifics of my contention that the Exodus was concocted? It supposedly happened long before the 4th century BCE, so your comment only serves to bolster my case.

On your second point, until the 20th century there never were any countries called Belarus, Slovenia or Slovakia. Are you saying they're illegitimate?

1. "Exodus was concocted"

'Next, Lawrence and Woolley set out to locate the Bible’s Kadesh-Barnea, somewhere near the desert of Sinai, and south of the Dead Sea, called ‘the Wilderness of Zin’ in the Bible. The wanderings of the ancient Israelites is a focal point of Exodus, and Kadesh-Barnea was their headquarters for 38 of their 40 years of wandering. Data in support of the desert wanderings would be gold to biblical archaeology."

So...you're busted.
Strike one.




2. "It supposedly happened long before the 4th century BCE, so your comment only serves to bolster my case."

Try a course in logic....it may help. But I have my doubts.
You tried to foist off some bogus idea that Exodus was written to provide Israel with a reason for being...and a claim to Palestine.

Since there is no confluence between the writing of Exodus and the need for proof of said claim...your bogus statement is.....bogus.

Strike two.





3. "On your second point, until the 20th century there never were any countries called Belarus, Slovenia or Slovakia. Are you saying they're illegitimate?"

I never claimed any country was illegitimate.

Your obfuscation: strike three!



Some people see you as half empty, I see you as being half full of it.
 
So why don't you start actually practicing the Bible instead of telling us how the Bible has more truth than any other holy books?
 

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