Ray From Cleveland
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You think that trillions of dollars went to companies that produce environmentally friendly goods? That’s alot of money which companies are we talking about? I’d love to dig into their financials.I was asking where the money went not how revenues were raised. So wethe consumers are paying more for goods and trillions get raised and spent for environmental efforts. Where do those trillions of dollars go?Where exactly did those trillions of dollars go?What other country has pumped more money into pollution cleanup than the United States? Did you read the past few posts on what Marion Morrison and I were talking about? Do you know how many billions of dollars that little diesel fuel stunt cost the transportation industry? And who do you think pays that in the end?
Today trucks cost so much they are almost unaffordable. Besides the diesel fuel, they installed thousands and thousands of dollars of pollution crap into each truck. Now we have to buy this stuff called Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short. It's a separate container that squirts DEF into the exhaust pipe supposedly to make the exhaust cleaner. If you run out of DEF by accident, it ruins the engine. If fact, it won't even start if you run it to totally empty.
Always remember Ray from Cleveland's rule about the environment: You can't make an environmentalist happy, it just isn't possible. How do I know, because we've been trying nearly my entire life. In spite of the trillions we've dumped into pollution, the environmentalists are less happy today than they were forty years ago. It's a bottomless money pit. Also ask yourself how many bureaucrats and politicians invested their money in companies that made DEF when the regulation started?
That's the question. Where did they go?
Every single item you purchase today has an environmental cost. It's intrinsic and not itemized, but it's there.
My employer (like all involved in the transportation industry) had to pass those environmental costs to us--the consumers.
Every peach you buy at the grocery store, every nail you buy at your hardware store, every computer, television set, cable box, mattress covers all have an intrinsic environmental cost to it. It doesn't matter if you buy your products at Sam's Club, Target, Amazon, Walmart--every single item.
So next time you go to the bathroom and pull off some toilet paper, you are paying for environmental costs.
Larger ticket times are much worse. Gasoline today would be 80 cents a gallon without all the environmental costs. Your $25,000 car would have cost you $18,000 without all the environmental costs associated with that vehicle. Lawnmowers, snowblowers, weed whackers, all the same thing. I won't even get into ethanol which are ruining engines by the millions in this country.
In our area, they forced us into E-check. It's been here well more than a decade. The annual cost to us is over 24 million dollars.
Just like with our company, to pay for environmental regulations on products and services. Our money went to the increased costs of equipment. Our money went to maintain these vehicles that break down all the time; usually because some pollution gadget went haywire. Our money goes to supply our vehicles with the mandated DEF fluid.
The money went from our pockets to the producers of these products and goods because they passed the environmental costs to us.
Collectively, of course we are talking trillions of dollars. Start with gasoline and try to find how much we spend to make that cleaner to produce and use since the 60's. In the 60's, we had about seven or eight blends of gasoline for the country. I think it's something like over 80 blends today. Remember to include all the refining regulations to make that gasoline too. Then if you'd like, calculate all the costs it takes to make one car environmentally friendly. From there, utility companies and transportation companies.
When Bush was in office, he had his EPA regulate diesel fuel. It had to be low sulfur diesel fuel which sprung the price about a dollar a gallon more than gasoline. My tractor-trailer only gets (on average) 6.5 MPH. Our straight trucks get about 13 MPH. Prior to that, diesel was generally a dollar or so less than gasoline. Today the prices are more comparable, but diesel is still more expensive. I would be willing to bet that the transportation industry alone spent well over a trillion dollars in the last decade or so.