U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

[pknopp]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

Yet the US never counted Indians, because they weren't citizens. Their actions speak louder than some so-called interpretation 200 years later.

It wasn't interpreted 200 years later. Native American's intentionally started to be counted in 1860.

Only after Indians signed treaties and acknowledged American sovereignty. There is no such recourse available for illegal aliens. The United States government exists to represent and serve American citizens. Illegal aliens are represented by the governments of their home countries. As such, only US citizens should be counted in regards to the distribution of US tax dollars and representation in the US government. We don't need 'interpretation' when we can simply look and see what the Founders' actually DID.

We have covered over and over what people feel "should be". There is an avenue for you to see to that. Get started.

Its not a matter of should be or not, it is WHAT WAS, when the Founders were alive. No need for 'liberal' interpretation of what they think should be. This is precisely why liberals fear a conservative court.

The Constitution is clear. Why do you fear that? Don't you want a court that will rule on what the Constitution actually states?

The Constitution serves US citizens, why would I be concerned? Only a hack liberal court would rule that illegal aliens should have any influence as to how US tax dollars are spent or who represents US citizens due to the census.

Sure, you want the court to create law. That's not a surprise.

Save you're feigned "surprise" for birthday parties, Bubba. Nobody but the despicable Democrats want the courts to legislate. That's why we call them "Liberal hack judges legislating from the bench."

Conservative judges don't "create" law, they reinforce the original intent of the the existing law, which is the U.S Constitution.

Don't tell me you've never heard them referred to as "constitutional originalist judge." Surely you have and for the next few decades, you'll come to understand what the term "constitutional originalist judge" means.

The Constitution is plain and simple when it notes "All". There are no exceptions to that. Are you not saying you want the court to read exceptions where there are none?

The Constitution applies to the US Government and US citizens, nobody else. Sort of like how Nigerians can't demand our rights in their courts.

That's not true but I expect you know that.

Does The Constitution Protect Non-Citizens? Judges Say Yes

Beyond the legal protections when they are arrested? Base protections offered on our soil have nothing at all to do with benefits received by our citizens and their tax dollars. At the same time, illegal aliens can't vote, citizens can. As this is a matter of votes, and the census, which confer benefit to the citizen, not protection due to proximity, illegal aliens don't count as 'all'.

If you want to read something into the Constitution not there go for it.

 

[danielpalos]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

The Census does more than apportion political representation.

The reason that Democrats control the House, Candy is that the number of Representatives each State gets is based on population totals that include illegals. Why should flooding your State with illegals gain you a political advantage? It does under our present set up.

That is the real reason that Democrats have never wanted a secure border.

Obama deported more people than Trump.

That's not what this string is about, PK. Stay on topic.

I'm not the one who brought the subject up. I simply addressed a falsehood.

The subject is whether illegals should be counted towards the number of Congressional Representatives each State receives. Stay on topic.

We should have no illegal problem or illegal underclass. All foreign nationals in the US should be known to the general Government and federally identified for civil purposes; then natural rights can still be acknowledged with our three fifths clause for franchise purposes.

 

[Beef_Supreme]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

Technically, it calls for the enumeration of "the whole Number of free Persons". At that time of writing there was no immigration law as there was no reason to have any.

Illegal aliens are not "free" but only "free-roaming", no different than a burglar who enters your house.

There is no logic in giving Congressional representation to foreign entities.

Now now. Don’t go pointing out the obvious flaws in liberal logic.
They are correct. They don’t know why they are or why the believe what they do, but they just do and are. Doesn’t matter what context you show them. Doesn’t matter if you point out the illogical nature of their positions.

 

[Beef_Supreme]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

Technically, it calls for the enumeration of "the whole Number of free Persons". At that time of writing there was no immigration law as there was no reason to have any.

Illegal aliens are not "free" but only "free-roaming", no different than a burglar who enters your house.

There is no logic in giving Congressional representation to foreign entities.

People will argue that there were no semi-automatic weapons back then either so banning them is OK.

None of it is OK. Besides, they are not foreign entities. They are people here processing our food. Caring for our children. Taking care of our lawns,

Your attempted flip to another issue is noted.

If they are not citizens, they are foreign entities. To say otherwise is the height of willful ignorance.

They are here. They are staying. They should be counted just like the Constitution requires.

And why are they here and staying? Is it because weaklings like yourself make excuses for them and accommodate them? Because you lack the will to do what needs to be done?
Or is it because their presence serves your purposes?

 

[pknopp]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

Technically, it calls for the enumeration of "the whole Number of free Persons". At that time of writing there was no immigration law as there was no reason to have any.

Illegal aliens are not "free" but only "free-roaming", no different than a burglar who enters your house.

There is no logic in giving Congressional representation to foreign entities.

People will argue that there were no semi-automatic weapons back then either so banning them is OK.

None of it is OK. Besides, they are not foreign entities. They are people here processing our food. Caring for our children. Taking care of our lawns,

Your attempted flip to another issue is noted.

If they are not citizens, they are foreign entities. To say otherwise is the height of willful ignorance.

They are here. They are staying. They should be counted just like the Constitution requires.

And why are they here and staying? Is it because weaklings like yourself make excuses for them and accommodate them? Because you lack the will to do what needs to be done?
Or is it because their presence serves your purposes?

You are the coward. I could make excuses 24 hours a day and nothing changes.

Trump is the one that could do something and won't but you'd rather rant at people on the internet as opposed to hold him accountable.

 

[Beef_Supreme]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

Technically, it calls for the enumeration of "the whole Number of free Persons". At that time of writing there was no immigration law as there was no reason to have any.

Illegal aliens are not "free" but only "free-roaming", no different than a burglar who enters your house.

There is no logic in giving Congressional representation to foreign entities.

People will argue that there were no semi-automatic weapons back then either so banning them is OK.

None of it is OK. Besides, they are not foreign entities. They are people here processing our food. Caring for our children. Taking care of our lawns,

Your attempted flip to another issue is noted.

If they are not citizens, they are foreign entities. To say otherwise is the height of willful ignorance.

They are here. They are staying. They should be counted just like the Constitution requires.

And why are they here and staying? Is it because weaklings like yourself make excuses for them and accommodate them? Because you lack the will to do what needs to be done?
Or is it because their presence serves your purposes?

You are the coward. I could make excuses 24 hours a day and nothing changes.

Trump is the one that could do something and won't but you'd rather rant at people on the internet as opposed to hold him accountable.

He has tried building the wall, and is doing so. He tried ending DACA. He stopped all the venzelans from staying claiming sanctuary.
He needs to do more with the hiring of illegals. ICE is deporting people against the wishes of sanctuary states.
I still think he can do more, but in all fairness he is being opposed at every turn.
So what’s your problem? What would you like done?

 

[danielpalos]

...now is probably a good time to mandate the chief magistrate of the Union faithfully execute our supreme law of the land. be legal to the laws, right wingers not immoral hypocrites (unto God).

 

[pknopp]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

Technically, it calls for the enumeration of "the whole Number of free Persons". At that time of writing there was no immigration law as there was no reason to have any.

Illegal aliens are not "free" but only "free-roaming", no different than a burglar who enters your house.

There is no logic in giving Congressional representation to foreign entities.

People will argue that there were no semi-automatic weapons back then either so banning them is OK.

None of it is OK. Besides, they are not foreign entities. They are people here processing our food. Caring for our children. Taking care of our lawns,

Your attempted flip to another issue is noted.

If they are not citizens, they are foreign entities. To say otherwise is the height of willful ignorance.

They are here. They are staying. They should be counted just like the Constitution requires.

And why are they here and staying? Is it because weaklings like yourself make excuses for them and accommodate them? Because you lack the will to do what needs to be done?
Or is it because their presence serves your purposes?

You are the coward. I could make excuses 24 hours a day and nothing changes.

Trump is the one that could do something and won't but you'd rather rant at people on the internet as opposed to hold him accountable.

He has tried building the wall, and is doing so. He tried ending DACA. He stopped all the venzelans from staying claiming sanctuary.
He needs to do more with the hiring of illegals. ICE is deporting people against the wishes of sanctuary states.
I still think he can do more, but in all fairness he is being opposed at every turn.
So what’s your problem? What would you like done?

He is doing nothing about the hiring of illegals and as long as there are people hiring they will come.

I want to see him hammer those hiring them.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

At that time there were NO illegals and couldn't be until 1808.

 

[danielpalos]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

Technically, it calls for the enumeration of "the whole Number of free Persons". At that time of writing there was no immigration law as there was no reason to have any.

Illegal aliens are not "free" but only "free-roaming", no different than a burglar who enters your house.

There is no logic in giving Congressional representation to foreign entities.

People will argue that there were no semi-automatic weapons back then either so banning them is OK.

None of it is OK. Besides, they are not foreign entities. They are people here processing our food. Caring for our children. Taking care of our lawns,

Your attempted flip to another issue is noted.

If they are not citizens, they are foreign entities. To say otherwise is the height of willful ignorance.

They are here. They are staying. They should be counted just like the Constitution requires.

And why are they here and staying? Is it because weaklings like yourself make excuses for them and accommodate them? Because you lack the will to do what needs to be done?
Or is it because their presence serves your purposes?

You are the coward. I could make excuses 24 hours a day and nothing changes.

Trump is the one that could do something and won't but you'd rather rant at people on the internet as opposed to hold him accountable.

He has tried building the wall, and is doing so. He tried ending DACA. He stopped all the venzelans from staying claiming sanctuary.
He needs to do more with the hiring of illegals. ICE is deporting people against the wishes of sanctuary states.
I still think he can do more, but in all fairness he is being opposed at every turn.
So what’s your problem? What would you like done?

He is doing nothing about the hiring of illegals and as long as there are people hiring they will come.

I want to see him hammer those hiring them.

Those hiring them can afford justice and attorneys who actually understand what the law says and how it works; unlike right wingers who prefer to love their guns and only use our Second Amendment to levy war against the Union.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Illegals should not only be denied representation but the fuckers should ALL be deported.

In body bags

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

Technically, it calls for the enumeration of "the whole Number of free Persons". At that time of writing there was no immigration law as there was no reason to have any.

Illegal aliens are not "free" but only "free-roaming", no different than a burglar who enters your house.

There is no logic in giving Congressional representation to foreign entities.

People will argue that there were no semi-automatic weapons back then either so banning them is OK.

None of it is OK. Besides, they are not foreign entities. They are people here processing our food. Caring for our children. Taking care of our lawns,

Your attempted flip to another issue is noted.

If they are not citizens, they are foreign entities. To say otherwise is the height of willful ignorance.

They are here. They are staying. They should be counted just like the Constitution requires.

ok 3/5th how's that?

Argue that and it can be discussed but the Constitution clearly states that everyone gets counted.

All the same you then have to argue how that gets done. Are we to hire tens of thousands of Federal immigration officials to determine the status of everyone they count? And how do you propose this be done?

So you count International Arrivals at JKF as citizens?

Really?

 

[pknopp]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

At that time there were NO illegals and couldn't be until 1808.

Which is irrelevant. The Constitution call for "all". If you want something different you have to change that. It's why we have amendments.

 

[pknopp]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

Technically, it calls for the enumeration of "the whole Number of free Persons". At that time of writing there was no immigration law as there was no reason to have any.

Illegal aliens are not "free" but only "free-roaming", no different than a burglar who enters your house.

There is no logic in giving Congressional representation to foreign entities.

People will argue that there were no semi-automatic weapons back then either so banning them is OK.

None of it is OK. Besides, they are not foreign entities. They are people here processing our food. Caring for our children. Taking care of our lawns,

Your attempted flip to another issue is noted.

If they are not citizens, they are foreign entities. To say otherwise is the height of willful ignorance.

They are here. They are staying. They should be counted just like the Constitution requires.

ok 3/5th how's that?

Argue that and it can be discussed but the Constitution clearly states that everyone gets counted.

All the same you then have to argue how that gets done. Are we to hire tens of thousands of Federal immigration officials to determine the status of everyone they count? And how do you propose this be done?

So you count International Arrivals at JKF as citizens?

Really?

You can try whatever cute reply you wish BUT the census has always counted "All". Why you want to attack and throw out the Constitution makes no sense to me.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

Technically, it calls for the enumeration of "the whole Number of free Persons". At that time of writing there was no immigration law as there was no reason to have any.

Illegal aliens are not "free" but only "free-roaming", no different than a burglar who enters your house.

There is no logic in giving Congressional representation to foreign entities.

People will argue that there were no semi-automatic weapons back then either so banning them is OK.

None of it is OK. Besides, they are not foreign entities. They are people here processing our food. Caring for our children. Taking care of our lawns,

Your attempted flip to another issue is noted.

If they are not citizens, they are foreign entities. To say otherwise is the height of willful ignorance.

They are here. They are staying. They should be counted just like the Constitution requires.

ok 3/5th how's that?

Argue that and it can be discussed but the Constitution clearly states that everyone gets counted.

All the same you then have to argue how that gets done. Are we to hire tens of thousands of Federal immigration officials to determine the status of everyone they count? And how do you propose this be done?

So you count International Arrivals at JKF as citizens?

Really?

You can try whatever cute reply you wish BUT the census has always counted "All". Why you want to attack and throw out the Constitution makes no sense to me.

No the census has not counted all, that's why nonslave states pushed for 3/5th compromise to keep the democrats from using their slaves to gain more power than they should have.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all other Persons

Three-fifths compromise | Definition, Purpose, & History

Three-fifths compromise, compromise agreement between the delegates from the Northern and the Southern states at the United States Constitutional Convention (1787) that three-fifths of the slave population would be counted for determining direct taxation and representation in the House of...

www.britannica.com

 

[pknopp]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

Technically, it calls for the enumeration of "the whole Number of free Persons". At that time of writing there was no immigration law as there was no reason to have any.

Illegal aliens are not "free" but only "free-roaming", no different than a burglar who enters your house.

There is no logic in giving Congressional representation to foreign entities.

People will argue that there were no semi-automatic weapons back then either so banning them is OK.

None of it is OK. Besides, they are not foreign entities. They are people here processing our food. Caring for our children. Taking care of our lawns,

Your attempted flip to another issue is noted.

If they are not citizens, they are foreign entities. To say otherwise is the height of willful ignorance.

They are here. They are staying. They should be counted just like the Constitution requires.

ok 3/5th how's that?

Argue that and it can be discussed but the Constitution clearly states that everyone gets counted.

All the same you then have to argue how that gets done. Are we to hire tens of thousands of Federal immigration officials to determine the status of everyone they count? And how do you propose this be done?

So you count International Arrivals at JKF as citizens?

Really?

You can try whatever cute reply you wish BUT the census has always counted "All". Why you want to attack and throw out the Constitution makes no sense to me.

No the census has not counted all, that's why nonslave states pushed for 3/5th compromise to keep the democrats from using their slaves to gain more power than they should have.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all other Persons

Three-fifths compromise | Definition, Purpose, & History

Three-fifths compromise, compromise agreement between the delegates from the Northern and the Southern states at the United States Constitutional Convention (1787) that three-fifths of the slave population would be counted for determining direct taxation and representation in the House of...

www.britannica.com

First off it's a complete waste of an argument meant to nothing other than divide people. There is absolutely no way a census worker can determine who is here legally and who is not.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

Technically, it calls for the enumeration of "the whole Number of free Persons". At that time of writing there was no immigration law as there was no reason to have any.

Illegal aliens are not "free" but only "free-roaming", no different than a burglar who enters your house.

There is no logic in giving Congressional representation to foreign entities.

People will argue that there were no semi-automatic weapons back then either so banning them is OK.

None of it is OK. Besides, they are not foreign entities. They are people here processing our food. Caring for our children. Taking care of our lawns,

Your attempted flip to another issue is noted.

If they are not citizens, they are foreign entities. To say otherwise is the height of willful ignorance.

They are here. They are staying. They should be counted just like the Constitution requires.

ok 3/5th how's that?

Argue that and it can be discussed but the Constitution clearly states that everyone gets counted.

All the same you then have to argue how that gets done. Are we to hire tens of thousands of Federal immigration officials to determine the status of everyone they count? And how do you propose this be done?

So you count International Arrivals at JKF as citizens?

Really?

You can try whatever cute reply you wish BUT the census has always counted "All". Why you want to attack and throw out the Constitution makes no sense to me.

No the census has not counted all, that's why nonslave states pushed for 3/5th compromise to keep the democrats from using their slaves to gain more power than they should have.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all other Persons

Three-fifths compromise | Definition, Purpose, & History

Three-fifths compromise, compromise agreement between the delegates from the Northern and the Southern states at the United States Constitutional Convention (1787) that three-fifths of the slave population would be counted for determining direct taxation and representation in the House of...

www.britannica.com

First off it's a complete waste of an argument meant to nothing other than divide people. There is absolutely no way a census worker can determine who is here legally and who is not.

yes there is, it's the same way you legally purchase a gun
DO YOU NEED A HINT?
And if you aren't a citizen no state should gain an advantage over another state over illegals acts and criminals coming into America.

 

[pknopp]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

Technically, it calls for the enumeration of "the whole Number of free Persons". At that time of writing there was no immigration law as there was no reason to have any.

Illegal aliens are not "free" but only "free-roaming", no different than a burglar who enters your house.

There is no logic in giving Congressional representation to foreign entities.

People will argue that there were no semi-automatic weapons back then either so banning them is OK.

None of it is OK. Besides, they are not foreign entities. They are people here processing our food. Caring for our children. Taking care of our lawns,

Your attempted flip to another issue is noted.

If they are not citizens, they are foreign entities. To say otherwise is the height of willful ignorance.

They are here. They are staying. They should be counted just like the Constitution requires.

ok 3/5th how's that?

Argue that and it can be discussed but the Constitution clearly states that everyone gets counted.

All the same you then have to argue how that gets done. Are we to hire tens of thousands of Federal immigration officials to determine the status of everyone they count? And how do you propose this be done?

So you count International Arrivals at JKF as citizens?

Really?

You can try whatever cute reply you wish BUT the census has always counted "All". Why you want to attack and throw out the Constitution makes no sense to me.

No the census has not counted all, that's why nonslave states pushed for 3/5th compromise to keep the democrats from using their slaves to gain more power than they should have.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all other Persons

Three-fifths compromise | Definition, Purpose, & History

Three-fifths compromise, compromise agreement between the delegates from the Northern and the Southern states at the United States Constitutional Convention (1787) that three-fifths of the slave population would be counted for determining direct taxation and representation in the House of...

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First off it's a complete waste of an argument meant to nothing other than divide people. There is absolutely no way a census worker can determine who is here legally and who is not.

yes there is, it's the same way you legally purchase a gun
DO YOU NEED A HINT?
And if you aren't a citizen no state should gain an advantage over another state over illegals acts and criminals coming into America.

Yeah, I need a hint. I can legally purchase a gun many ways. Please explain.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

Technically, it calls for the enumeration of "the whole Number of free Persons". At that time of writing there was no immigration law as there was no reason to have any.

Illegal aliens are not "free" but only "free-roaming", no different than a burglar who enters your house.

There is no logic in giving Congressional representation to foreign entities.

People will argue that there were no semi-automatic weapons back then either so banning them is OK.

None of it is OK. Besides, they are not foreign entities. They are people here processing our food. Caring for our children. Taking care of our lawns,

Your attempted flip to another issue is noted.

If they are not citizens, they are foreign entities. To say otherwise is the height of willful ignorance.

They are here. They are staying. They should be counted just like the Constitution requires.

ok 3/5th how's that?

Argue that and it can be discussed but the Constitution clearly states that everyone gets counted.

All the same you then have to argue how that gets done. Are we to hire tens of thousands of Federal immigration officials to determine the status of everyone they count? And how do you propose this be done?

So you count International Arrivals at JKF as citizens?

Really?

You can try whatever cute reply you wish BUT the census has always counted "All". Why you want to attack and throw out the Constitution makes no sense to me.

No the census has not counted all, that's why nonslave states pushed for 3/5th compromise to keep the democrats from using their slaves to gain more power than they should have.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all other Persons

Three-fifths compromise | Definition, Purpose, & History

Three-fifths compromise, compromise agreement between the delegates from the Northern and the Southern states at the United States Constitutional Convention (1787) that three-fifths of the slave population would be counted for determining direct taxation and representation in the House of...

www.britannica.com

First off it's a complete waste of an argument meant to nothing other than divide people. There is absolutely no way a census worker can determine who is here legally and who is not.

yes there is, it's the same way you legally purchase a gun
DO YOU NEED A HINT?
And if you aren't a citizen no state should gain an advantage over another state over illegals acts and criminals coming into America.

Yeah, I need a hint. I can legally purchase a gun many ways. Please explain.

oh, there is more than one way to legally purchase a gun? enlighten me

 

[pknopp]

Why should illegals have political representation?

No clue how the court will respond, but it's an easy enough question.

U.S. Supreme Court to hear Trump bid to exclude illegal immigrants from representation

Why? Because that's what the Constitution call for.

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Census in the Constitution.

A census counter is completely unable to determine who is here legally or not at that. This is just another case where the government tries to blame others for it's failures.

Technically, it calls for the enumeration of "the whole Number of free Persons". At that time of writing there was no immigration law as there was no reason to have any.

Illegal aliens are not "free" but only "free-roaming", no different than a burglar who enters your house.

There is no logic in giving Congressional representation to foreign entities.

People will argue that there were no semi-automatic weapons back then either so banning them is OK.

None of it is OK. Besides, they are not foreign entities. They are people here processing our food. Caring for our children. Taking care of our lawns,

Your attempted flip to another issue is noted.

If they are not citizens, they are foreign entities. To say otherwise is the height of willful ignorance.

They are here. They are staying. They should be counted just like the Constitution requires.

ok 3/5th how's that?

Argue that and it can be discussed but the Constitution clearly states that everyone gets counted.

All the same you then have to argue how that gets done. Are we to hire tens of thousands of Federal immigration officials to determine the status of everyone they count? And how do you propose this be done?

So you count International Arrivals at JKF as citizens?

Really?

You can try whatever cute reply you wish BUT the census has always counted "All". Why you want to attack and throw out the Constitution makes no sense to me.

No the census has not counted all, that's why nonslave states pushed for 3/5th compromise to keep the democrats from using their slaves to gain more power than they should have.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all other Persons

Three-fifths compromise | Definition, Purpose, & History

Three-fifths compromise, compromise agreement between the delegates from the Northern and the Southern states at the United States Constitutional Convention (1787) that three-fifths of the slave population would be counted for determining direct taxation and representation in the House of...

www.britannica.com

First off it's a complete waste of an argument meant to nothing other than divide people. There is absolutely no way a census worker can determine who is here legally and who is not.

yes there is, it's the same way you legally purchase a gun
DO YOU NEED A HINT?
And if you aren't a citizen no state should gain an advantage over another state over illegals acts and criminals coming into America.

Yeah, I need a hint. I can legally purchase a gun many ways. Please explain.

oh, there is more than one way to legally purchase a gun? enlighten me

You are the one that made the claim. Explain how this would work and who is even suggesting it be done?

(you know the answer to your own question)