U.S. military decimated under Obama

[BlindBoo]

That is contradicted by two of Obama's own SecDefs, who wrote that Obama was desperate to get out of Iraq at any cost and could have exerted pressure to have troops stay behind.
Somehow Id trust their account over yours.

There was no clause requiring a new SOFA.

President Bush had to negotiate a new SOFA by the end of 2008.

That agreement was binding.

What did they say that contradicts that?

 

[The Rabbi]

That is contradicted by two of Obama's own SecDefs, who wrote that Obama was desperate to get out of Iraq at any cost and could have exerted pressure to have troops stay behind.
Somehow Id trust their account over yours.

There was no clause requiring a new SOFA.

President Bush had to negotiate a new SOFA by the end of 2008.

That agreement was binding.

What did they say that contradicts that?

Go back and look at what they said. Obama was desperate to get out and even though he could have brought leverage against Iraq he refused to do so. I didnt make that up. Those are the statements of two SecDefs.

 

[BlindBoo]

Bbbbbut Booooosh is the standard defense from the left when confronted with the epic fail of the big eared disaster they elected

President Bushes invasion and disastrous occupation was one of the greatest strategic blunders in our history.

Of course Obama said that Iraq was a success.

If I'm not mistaken so did President Bush.

 

[The Rabbi]

Bbbbbut Booooosh is the standard defense from the left when confronted with the epic fail of the big eared disaster they elected

President Bushes invasion and disastrous occupation was one of the greatest strategic blunders in our history.

Of course Obama said that Iraq was a success.

If I'm not mistaken so did President Bush.

Greatest strategic blunder? LOL! We accomplsihed every objective we set.

 

[Dot Com]

anyone in this thread serve? (have ANY inkling of what the military might need?) Thats what I thought. They can "scrape by" on $500,000,000,000/yr you chickenhawks..

 

[BlindBoo]

Bbbbbut Booooosh is the standard defense from the left when confronted with the epic fail of the big eared disaster they elected

President Bushes invasion and disastrous occupation was one of the greatest strategic blunders in our history.

Of course Obama said that Iraq was a success.

If I'm not mistaken so did President Bush.

Greatest strategic blunder? LOL! We accomplsihed every objective we set.

Sure we did.

Iraq The Biggest Mistake In American Military History - Forbes

Vietnam may have been divided between North and South, but it encompassed an ancient culture with common language and traditions. Our reasons for defending it were grounded in a national strategy called containment that was embraced by both political parties as a necessary response to communist aggression. Iraq, in contrast, is a country of warring ethnic and sectarian communities, and our military involvement there resulted from an ad hoc response to faulty intelligence in the aftermath of the 9-11 attacks.

The first lesson we learned after toppling Saddam Hussein was that our main reason for invading the country — Iraq’s nuclear-weapons program — didn’t exist. We soon determined that another big reason for going, the supposed presence of Al Qaeda elements, was largely imaginary. But the really big and enduring lesson was that the Iraqis were not by nature a peaceful people — they had longstanding scores to settle, not only with each other but also with us, and they proved remarkably persistent in pursuing that purpose. If anything, our presence helped spur recruiting by sectarian militias and local supporters of Al Qaeda.

When the immediate rationales for invading Iraq were revealed as misguided, the Bush Administration then defaulted to the argument that a brutal dictator was being deposed to make way for the first real democracy in the Arab world. That certainly was a laudable objective, but it begged the question of how Saddam had managed to remain in power for decades. The short answer was that only an authoritarian leader could have controlled the centrifugal forces inherent in the country’s political culture. Saddam was more brutal than he needed to be, but partly because he feared what would happen to his own sectarian community if the majority Shiites ever came to power (the Kurds mainly wanted independence).

 

[The Rabbi]

Bbbbbut Booooosh is the standard defense from the left when confronted with the epic fail of the big eared disaster they elected

President Bushes invasion and disastrous occupation was one of the greatest strategic blunders in our history.

Of course Obama said that Iraq was a success.

If I'm not mistaken so did President Bush.

Greatest strategic blunder? LOL! We accomplsihed every objective we set.

Sure we did.

Iraq The Biggest Mistake In American Military History - Forbes

Vietnam may have been divided between North and South, but it encompassed an ancient culture with common language and traditions. Our reasons for defending it were grounded in a national strategy called containment that was embraced by both political parties as a necessary response to communist aggression. Iraq, in contrast, is a country of warring ethnic and sectarian communities, and our military involvement there resulted from an ad hoc response to faulty intelligence in the aftermath of the 9-11 attacks.

The first lesson we learned after toppling Saddam Hussein was that our main reason for invading the country — Iraq’s nuclear-weapons program — didn’t exist. We soon determined that another big reason for going, the supposed presence of Al Qaeda elements, was largely imaginary. But the really big and enduring lesson was that the Iraqis were not by nature a peaceful people — they had longstanding scores to settle, not only with each other but also with us, and they proved remarkably persistent in pursuing that purpose. If anything, our presence helped spur recruiting by sectarian militias and local supporters of Al Qaeda.

When the immediate rationales for invading Iraq were revealed as misguided, the Bush Administration then defaulted to the argument that a brutal dictator was being deposed to make way for the first real democracy in the Arab world. That certainly was a laudable objective, but it begged the question of how Saddam had managed to remain in power for decades. The short answer was that only an authoritarian leader could have controlled the centrifugal forces inherent in the country’s political culture. Saddam was more brutal than he needed to be, but partly because he feared what would happen to his own sectarian community if the majority Shiites ever came to power (the Kurds mainly wanted independence).

Opinions are like assholes. A lot of them stink.

 

[KissMy]

My son was part of the last troops to leave Iraq. He was involved in training the Iraqis. He had no respect for the Iraqis and could care less if they succeeded or not but he said pulling out at that time was a disaster. When ISIS moved in he wasn't a bit surprised. In fact he predicted a failure because of the half ass job Obama did. Of course Obama said that Iraq was a success.

That is what happens when the Moon Bats elect a Community Organizer that never had the courage to serve in the military to the job of Commander in Chief. Disaster.

All that means is your son trained ISIS fighters after our government paid them billions to stop fighting us for a short time so we could claim success & leave. No Iraqi attacked the USA. We invaded their homes, killed & tortured them. Then paid, trained & armed them. So now they are pissed at us for killing & torturing them & have resources, arms, money & training to do something about it. This cost US trillions & only made our problems worse.

Instead of going after Al-Qaeda Bush let them go & created more terrorist so the MIC (military industrial complex) could claim they need more money to protect US.

 

[The Rabbi]

My son was part of the last troops to leave Iraq. He was involved in training the Iraqis. He had no respect for the Iraqis and could care less if they succeeded or not but he said pulling out at that time was a disaster. When ISIS moved in he wasn't a bit surprised. In fact he predicted a failure because of the half ass job Obama did. Of course Obama said that Iraq was a success.

That is what happens when the Moon Bats elect a Community Organizer that never had the courage to serve in the military to the job of Commander in Chief. Disaster.

All that means is your son trained ISIS fighters after our government paid them billions to stop fighting us for a short time so we could claim success & leave. No Iraqi attacked the USA. We invaded their homes, killed & tortured them. Then paid, trained & armed them. So now they are pissed at us for killing & torturing them & have resources, arms, money & training to do something about it. This cost US trillions & only made our problems worse.

Instead of going after Al-Qaeda Bush let them go & created more terrorist so the MIC (military industrial complex) could claim they need more money to protect US.

blahblablah. You need to post a chart.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Bbbbbut Booooosh is the standard defense from the left when confronted with the epic fail of the big eared disaster they elected

President Bushes invasion and disastrous occupation was one of the greatest strategic blunders in our history.

Of course Obama said that Iraq was a success.

If I'm not mistaken so did President Bush.

Greatest strategic blunder? LOL! We accomplsihed every objective we set.

I think I read that same rant on KOS...