U.S. Capitol Police to Be Sued for $10 Million for Killing Unarmed Rioter

If not for the death of a human being, this Ashli B. thread would be comedy gold. And a lesson in intentional obtuseness, I suppose.

The horse has been beaten to jelly.....yet we still have mokes who come on here and repeat and repeat the same old conspiratorial barracks-room lawyering. They KNOW when police can and cannot shoot.....and they could not have shot in this case. Yadda, yadda, yadda.

Let's do a bit of a drive-by shooting at some previous posts above:


How violent can a 5'2 110lb unarmed woman be? Can these capital police not handle this without resorting to shooting her?
Ah, so they weighed her, measured her.....hell, even knew the figure suddenly thrust into the opening in a battered-barrier shrouded in some kind of figure concealing shroud.....was a woman? An unarmed woman? A woman who did not have a suicide-vest, a Glock 17 under that shroud?
Who knew?

Answer: Not the cop.
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And no, Ashli had no part in battering doors or windows.
We hear no warning from the cop who shot, but the gun was pointed for a long time and people were pointing out the gun.
But a warning is where you shoot into the floor or something.
Ummmm, really now we have a view that the cop should have shot into the marble floor to warn Ashli. Really? In a corridor packed with people we have the suggestion that a bullet should be ricocheted off the floor so that rioters would know that having a gun pointed at 'em was serious. Without a shot, it wasn't serious?

Ahsli would be alive today, if only.

I'm thinking, that suggestion may be from someone who knows very very little about firearms.

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You can shoot someone breaking into your home, but not your car, and certainly not a public building like the House Lobby.

Well, Congress is kinda sorta important to America. But, if folks can't be shot there for violently breaking down barriers despite warnings and pointed guns.....well, so too, the Oval Office, or the Court Chamber at the Supreme Court? Or the Pentagon? Or the Gem Room at the Smithsonian?
Or Fort Knox?
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*ps.....outta curiosity, to any real LEO's who are lurking on this forum, lemme ask: If you are in your parked car and someone is battering and breaking the window, while hollering angry epithets at you, and then busting out the window and thrusting themselves into the car interior, despite your screeching to cease, to get out, to leave you alone.......well, could you shoot 'em?
Or do you have to shoot a warning shot through the roof first?


Thanks, in advance.
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My opinion, FWIW:
Ashli B. got caught up in the world of rampant conspiracies and white grievance that is the world of QAnon. Her social media footprints show clear indications of her commitment to those fantasies. She was there, right at hand, part of the tip of the spear at that doorway. She saw, heard, and could feel the battering down of this barrier. She was part of it, even if she didn't swing a club or a helmet to do the battering. She had the clear and obvious choice to leave when she saw the breaking and entering, instead she was loudly shouting at the police behind the barrier. The barrier broke, she suddenly jumped or was thrust into the opening despite the warnings not to. Despite the clear and obvious aimed firearm.

She entered. She died. Foolishly and regrettably. And that's on her.

All the claims of her being murdered are the silly, ridicule worthy nonsense of the conspiratorial jackassery typified by QAnon's ill-informed, ill-educated, ill-motivated nut jobs that believe in it.

Other than that, I'm pretty neutral on Q.
Again, this is just their being upset their insurrection was such a laughable failure.
 
They’ll settle out of court because the swamp doesn’t want the coup discussed.
Nah, she was in the middle of committing a violent insurrection with a violent mob. She will get $0, give or take $0,

How violent can a 5'2 110lb unarmed woman be? Can these capital police not handle this without resorting to shooting her?
Was she alone?
I’m all for 6 armed cops shooting unarmed women protesters who pose no physical threat while trespassing.
 
"....this lady was not armed, was outside the immediate perimeter."

This is kinda fun.
Like playing Whack-A-Mole.

Poster Detector, please watch the videos.
The website 'BellingCat' has several different ones from slightly different angles.

First, this "perimeter"-thingy. Ummm, Ms. Babbitt was inside ....not outside .......the perimeter.
Hell, she suddenly thrust herself through that broken window. That's kinda sorta the 'perimeter' of where she and her cohorts were warned to stay out of. Watch the videos. The policeman did NOT reach through the window to shoot her on the opposite side of the door. She violently entered not only HIS personal space, but critically, the space he took an oath to protect.
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"she was not armed".

You know now.
We all know now.
But......
But the cop had no way of knowing that.
She had wrapped a Trump flag around her torso. It could have hidden a suicide vest.
It could have hidden a Glock17.


Ms. Babbitt, foolishly bought into the 'Stop-the-Steal' fantagasm. Her digital footprint on social media shows that. We can see her speaking forcefully (shouting?) ---- and shaking her hand (fist?) at the police on the other side of the doorway before her crowd of co-conspirators broke through it.

She went where she was forcefully warned not to go. She went where there was a gun intentionally aimed to prevent entry. She went despite knowing that gun was there.

She made a grave error in judgment. And it cost her.
But it is on her.
No one else.....other than those who promulgated the 'Stop-the-Steal' canard.
 
They’ll settle out of court because the swamp doesn’t want the coup discussed.
Nah, she was in the middle of committing a violent insurrection with a violent mob. She will get $0, give or take $0,

How violent can a 5'2 110lb unarmed woman be? Can these capital police not handle this without resorting to shooting her?
Was she alone?
I’m all for 6 armed cops shooting unarmed women protesters who pose no physical threat while trespassing.
I'm sure you are....especially if they are Anti-fascist or Black Lives Matter women PROTESTERS (not rioters or insurrectionists).
 
"....this lady was not armed, was outside the immediate perimeter."

This is kinda fun.
Like playing Whack-A-Mole.

Poster Detector, please watch the videos.
The website 'BellingCat' has several different ones from slightly different angles.

First, this "perimeter"-thingy. Ummm, Ms. Babbitt was inside ....not outside .......the perimeter.
Hell, she suddenly thrust herself through that broken window. That's kinda sorta the 'perimeter' of where she and her cohorts were warned to stay out of. Watch the videos. The policeman did NOT reach through the window to shoot her on the opposite side of the door. She violently entered not only HIS personal space, but critically, the space he took an oath to protect.
-------

"she was not armed".

You know now.
We all know now.
But......
But the cop had no way of knowing that.
She had wrapped a Trump flag around her torso. It could have hidden a suicide vest.
It could have hidden a Glock17.


Ms. Babbitt, foolishly bought into the 'Stop-the-Steal' fantagasm. Her digital footprint on social media shows that. We can see her speaking forcefully (shouting?) ---- and shaking her hand (fist?) at the police on the other side of the doorway before her crowd of co-conspirators broke through it.

She went where she was forcefully warned not to go. She went where there was a gun intentionally aimed to prevent entry. She went despite knowing that gun was there.

She made a grave error in judgment. And it cost her.
But it is on her.
No one else.....other than those who promulgated the 'Stop-the-Steal' canard.
And George Floyd was resisting arrest when he died of an OD, but you justify that riot somehow. You are a blatant hypocrite. The DC cop MURDERED Ashli Babbitt. SAY HER NAME ASSHOLE.
 
"....this lady was not armed, was outside the immediate perimeter."

This is kinda fun.
Like playing Whack-A-Mole.

Poster Detector, please watch the videos.
The website 'BellingCat' has several different ones from slightly different angles.

First, this "perimeter"-thingy. Ummm, Ms. Babbitt was inside ....not outside .......the perimeter.
Hell, she suddenly thrust herself through that broken window. That's kinda sorta the 'perimeter' of where she and her cohorts were warned to stay out of. Watch the videos. The policeman did NOT reach through the window to shoot her on the opposite side of the door. She violently entered not only HIS personal space, but critically, the space he took an oath to protect.
-------

"she was not armed".

You know now.
We all know now.
But......
But the cop had no way of knowing that.
She had wrapped a Trump flag around her torso. It could have hidden a suicide vest.
It could have hidden a Glock17.


Ms. Babbitt, foolishly bought into the 'Stop-the-Steal' fantagasm. Her digital footprint on social media shows that. We can see her speaking forcefully (shouting?) ---- and shaking her hand (fist?) at the police on the other side of the doorway before her crowd of co-conspirators broke through it.

She went where she was forcefully warned not to go. She went where there was a gun intentionally aimed to prevent entry. She went despite knowing that gun was there.


She made a grave error in judgment. And it cost her.
But it is on her.
No one else.....other than those who promulgated the 'Stop-the-Steal' canard.
And George Floyd was resisting arrest when he died of an OD, but you justify that riot somehow. You are a blatant hypocrite. The DC cop MURDERED Ashli Babbitt. SAY HER NAME ASSHOLE.
Floyd didn't die of an OD, he was murdered by the con-victed murdering cop.

(and odd you think Babbitt's name is "asshole". Ok, maybe.
 
They’ll settle out of court because the swamp doesn’t want the coup discussed.
Nah, she was in the middle of committing a violent insurrection with a violent mob. She will get $0, give or take $0,

How violent can a 5'2 110lb unarmed woman be? Can these capital police not handle this without resorting to shooting her?
Was she alone?
I’m all for 6 armed cops shooting unarmed women protesters who pose no physical threat while trespassing.
I'm sure you are....especially if they are Anti-fascist or Black Lives Matter women PROTESTERS (not rioters or insurrectionists).
Especially then. Glad to know we have your support in shooting unarmed trespassers.
 
We will burn every city down unless they win!

At least we’ll learn the name of the murderer.

The case will fail. And the guv will continue to grow its DB of terrorist symps.
They’ll settle out of court because the swamp doesn’t want the coup discussed.

Well, then, they'd better do it quickly, before the discovery phase provides the records and the cop's name to the plaintiffs. Otherwise, it won't do them any good.
According to the plaintiffs' lawyer, they already have the Capitol cop hero's name.

"Cop hero," that's hilarious. After destroying police forces in leftist cities across the country, you think anyone would buy your lies you're actually pro-cop. No one's as stupid as you think they are, no one's as stupid as you are
Yes....Capitol cop hero....I know you supported the wounding and killing of Capitol cops and our legislators on Jan 6th.
kaz was rooting for the insurgents to kill some 'commies'.

Actually, I condemned anyone on January 6 committing violence. Unlike you who still hasn't condemned endless looting, rioting and burning by leftists all last summer.

You're a liar, it's what leftists just are
You continue to lie, Kaz. You are guilty of lying and poor logic. One, blm and the insurgents are not equitable in wrong, and the protests (as opposed to the looters) do not need to be condemned.

You need to think seriously about what you believe.

Virtually all conservatives condemned the violence on January 6. None of the leftists condemned the leftist violence all last summer.

And January 6 didn't involve any of the burning or looting or murder that you leftist fascists committed repeatedly.

Continuing to lie proves nothing other than what a complete sack of shit liar you are

140 officers werew injured and 1 killed. That is apparently okay with you. Republicans still supported Trump even though they agreed he was responsible for it.

Your contginuing to lie shows what a moron you are.

You're just making your shit up again, skank
 
We will burn every city down unless they win!

At least we’ll learn the name of the murderer.

The case will fail. And the guv will continue to grow its DB of terrorist symps.
They’ll settle out of court because the swamp doesn’t want the coup discussed.

Well, then, they'd better do it quickly, before the discovery phase provides the records and the cop's name to the plaintiffs. Otherwise, it won't do them any good.
According to the plaintiffs' lawyer, they already have the Capitol cop hero's name.

"Cop hero," that's hilarious. After destroying police forces in leftist cities across the country, you think anyone would buy your lies you're actually pro-cop. No one's as stupid as you think they are, no one's as stupid as you are
Yes....Capitol cop hero....I know you supported the wounding and killing of Capitol cops and our legislators on Jan 6th.
kaz was rooting for the insurgents to kill some 'commies'.

Actually, I condemned anyone on January 6 committing violence. Unlike you who still hasn't condemned endless looting, rioting and burning by leftists all last summer.

You're a liar, it's what leftists just are
You continue to lie, Kaz. You are guilty of lying and poor logic. One, blm and the insurgents are not equitable in wrong, and the protests (as opposed to the looters) do not need to be condemned.

You need to think seriously about what you believe.

Virtually all conservatives condemned the violence on January 6. None of the leftists condemned the leftist violence all last summer.

And January 6 didn't involve any of the burning or looting or murder that you leftist fascists committed repeatedly.

Continuing to lie proves nothing other than what a complete sack of shit liar you are

140 officers werew injured and 1 killed. That is apparently okay with you. Republicans still supported Trump even though they agreed he was responsible for it.

Your contginuing to lie shows what a moron you are.
no cop died from the gathering. he reacted to something in the air. another fake story.

BusyBody was OK with Hitler killing 10 million Jews
 
Chillicoath says, no it isn't, no it isn't, no it isn't
Speaking for that poor avatar of mine, what he is attempting to convey to the poster 'Kaz' is that.......you haven't offered proof of your assertion that the elections was stolen.

If you have, well, we haven't seen it.
If you have.....may we ask you to link us to it so we can read the quality of your proofs and, either side with you, or state that you are wrongheaded.

Be our sherpa here, poster 'kaz'........are we wrong on your lack of substance on 'the Steal', or do you have substance, after all?

Batter up, mein freund.
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"Had I pulled my weapon and shot an unarmed suspect, I would have gone to prison."

Well, that may be. You know your prior record and reputation better than this forum.

However, in the case of the cop who shot Ashli Babbitt, well, who knew she was 'unarmed'? Did the cop? Did her compatriots on the other side of the barricaded door? She and they battered it down, she jumped into the breach despite being warned by the cops --and her compatriots. She still jumped.

It's on her.

May her family be comforted.

Asked and answered. Democrats proved you were stealing the election when you removed all vote counting accountability.

Then you kept voting in Philadelphia, Detroit, Atlana, Milwaukee, Las Vegas and Phoenix unit you stole the election
 
Chillicoath says, no it isn't, no it isn't, no it isn't
Speaking for that poor avatar of mine, what he is attempting to convey to the poster 'Kaz' is that.......you haven't offered proof of your assertion that the elections was stolen.

If you have, well, we haven't seen it.
If you have.....may we ask you to link us to it so we can read the quality of your proofs and, either side with you, or state that you are wrongheaded.

Be our sherpa here, poster 'kaz'........are we wrong on your lack of substance on 'the Steal', or do you have substance, after all?

Batter up, mein freund.
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"Had I pulled my weapon and shot an unarmed suspect, I would have gone to prison."

Well, that may be. You know your prior record and reputation better than this forum.

However, in the case of the cop who shot Ashli Babbitt, well, who knew she was 'unarmed'? Did the cop? Did her compatriots on the other side of the barricaded door? She and they battered it down, she jumped into the breach despite being warned by the cops --and her compatriots. She still jumped.

It's on her.

May her family be comforted.
If only she'd complied...

Something you never say when it's a black shot by the cops.

You support her death because of your politics, just like you are against the cops every other time because of your politics.

Own your actions and stop lying
 

However, in the case of the cop who shot Ashli Babbitt, well, who knew she was 'unarmed'? Did the cop? Did her compatriots on the other side of the barricaded door? She and they battered it down, she jumped into the breach despite being warned by the cops --and her compatriots. She still jumped.

It's on her.


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Its the other way around.
You can't legally shoot unless you know for sure she WAS armed.
And no, Ashli had no part in battering doors or windows.
We hear no warning from the cop who shot, but the gun was pointed for a long time and people were pointing out the gun.
But a warning is where you shoot into the floor or something.
Never happened.
So then legally its murder.
Police do not have the authority to shoot unless they for sure see a deadly weapon.

Chilliothe doesn't get that because he only sees skin color. If she were a black leftist, he'd suddenly get it
 
They’ll settle out of court because the swamp doesn’t want the coup discussed.
Nah, she was in the middle of committing a violent insurrection with a violent mob. She will get $0, give or take $0,

How violent can a 5'2 110lb unarmed woman be? Can these capital police not handle this without resorting to shooting her?
Was she alone?
I’m all for 6 armed cops shooting unarmed women protesters who pose no physical threat while trespassing.
I'm sure you are....especially if they are Anti-fascist or Black Lives Matter women PROTESTERS (not rioters or insurrectionists).
Especially then. Glad to know we have your support in shooting unarmed trespassers.
You have my support in you getting an education between a protester and a violent insurrectionist. We notice you can't tell the difference.
 
We will burn every city down unless they win!

At least we’ll learn the name of the murderer.

The case will fail. And the guv will continue to grow its DB of terrorist symps.
They’ll settle out of court because the swamp doesn’t want the coup discussed.

Well, then, they'd better do it quickly, before the discovery phase provides the records and the cop's name to the plaintiffs. Otherwise, it won't do them any good.
According to the plaintiffs' lawyer, they already have the Capitol cop hero's name.

"Cop hero," that's hilarious. After destroying police forces in leftist cities across the country, you think anyone would buy your lies you're actually pro-cop. No one's as stupid as you think they are, no one's as stupid as you are
Yes....Capitol cop hero....I know you supported the wounding and killing of Capitol cops and our legislators on Jan 6th.
kaz was rooting for the insurgents to kill some 'commies'.

Actually, I condemned anyone on January 6 committing violence. Unlike you who still hasn't condemned endless looting, rioting and burning by leftists all last summer.

You're a liar, it's what leftists just are
You continue to lie, Kaz. You are guilty of lying and poor logic. One, blm and the insurgents are not equitable in wrong, and the protests (as opposed to the looters) do not need to be condemned.

You need to think seriously about what you believe.

Virtually all conservatives condemned the violence on January 6. None of the leftists condemned the leftist violence all last summer.

And January 6 didn't involve any of the burning or looting or murder that you leftist fascists committed repeatedly.

Continuing to lie proves nothing other than what a complete sack of shit liar you are

140 officers werew injured and 1 killed. That is apparently okay with you. Republicans still supported Trump even though they agreed he was responsible for it.

Your contginuing to lie shows what a moron you are.
no cop died from the gathering. he reacted to something in the air. another fake story.

BusyBody was OK with Hitler killing 10 million Jews
Fascinating. Simply fascinating.....:heehee:
 

However, in the case of the cop who shot Ashli Babbitt, well, who knew she was 'unarmed'? Did the cop? Did her compatriots on the other side of the barricaded door? She and they battered it down, she jumped into the breach despite being warned by the cops --and her compatriots. She still jumped.

It's on her.


...

Its the other way around.
You can't legally shoot unless you know for sure she WAS armed.
And no, Ashli had no part in battering doors or windows.
We hear no warning from the cop who shot, but the gun was pointed for a long time and people were pointing out the gun.
But a warning is where you shoot into the floor or something.
Never happened.
So then legally its murder.
Police do not have the authority to shoot unless they for sure see a deadly weapon.
You're FOS, police all around the country do it all the time.

And Smokin' lies again. It's actually incredibly rare. It's your exploitation that isn't rare because you're a racist
 

However, in the case of the cop who shot Ashli Babbitt, well, who knew she was 'unarmed'? Did the cop? Did her compatriots on the other side of the barricaded door? She and they battered it down, she jumped into the breach despite being warned by the cops --and her compatriots. She still jumped.

It's on her.


...

Its the other way around.
You can't legally shoot unless you know for sure she WAS armed.
And no, Ashli had no part in battering doors or windows.
We hear no warning from the cop who shot, but the gun was pointed for a long time and people were pointing out the gun.
But a warning is where you shoot into the floor or something.
Never happened.
So then legally its murder.
Police do not have the authority to shoot unless they for sure see a deadly weapon.

Anyone - ESPECIALLY a police officer, if they feel there is an immediate DEADLY threat to themself or the general public have the duty to discharge their weapon in order to eliminate the threat.

Someone tell me - where was the "threat"? This lady was not armed, was outside the immediate perimeter. Today, had she been black, there would be MORE riots. However, she was a white lady so - "Too bad, so sad".

Stupid Americans........

For leftists it's only about racism and greed
 
We will burn every city down unless they win!

At least we’ll learn the name of the murderer.

The case will fail. And the guv will continue to grow its DB of terrorist symps.
They’ll settle out of court because the swamp doesn’t want the coup discussed.

Well, then, they'd better do it quickly, before the discovery phase provides the records and the cop's name to the plaintiffs. Otherwise, it won't do them any good.
According to the plaintiffs' lawyer, they already have the Capitol cop hero's name.

"Cop hero," that's hilarious. After destroying police forces in leftist cities across the country, you think anyone would buy your lies you're actually pro-cop. No one's as stupid as you think they are, no one's as stupid as you are
Yes....Capitol cop hero....I know you supported the wounding and killing of Capitol cops and our legislators on Jan 6th.
kaz was rooting for the insurgents to kill some 'commies'.

Actually, I condemned anyone on January 6 committing violence. Unlike you who still hasn't condemned endless looting, rioting and burning by leftists all last summer.

You're a liar, it's what leftists just are
You continue to lie, Kaz. You are guilty of lying and poor logic. One, blm and the insurgents are not equitable in wrong, and the protests (as opposed to the looters) do not need to be condemned.

You need to think seriously about what you believe.

Virtually all conservatives condemned the violence on January 6. None of the leftists condemned the leftist violence all last summer.

And January 6 didn't involve any of the burning or looting or murder that you leftist fascists committed repeatedly.

Continuing to lie proves nothing other than what a complete sack of shit liar you are

140 officers werew injured and 1 killed. That is apparently okay with you. Republicans still supported Trump even though they agreed he was responsible for it.

Your contginuing to lie shows what a moron you are.
no cop died from the gathering. he reacted to something in the air. another fake story.

BusyBody was OK with Hitler killing 10 million Jews
Fascinating. Simply fascinating.....:heehee:

Yet again you were asked to condemn leftist violence ... and you didn't ...

You can't hide from what you are, a racist and a fascist
 
That whole thing was really weird.

A bunch of over excited morons ran into the capital and broke some stuff and caused a rukus and left before night even fell. They were universally labeled as terrorists, reported as killing someone, violent and so on. Pretty much everyone all but said they should be banned or killed along with republicans and people not a democrat.

Meanwhile no one talks about the multiple cities around the nation being destroyed, burned, looted, bystanders hardware, police threatened and attack by groups of people making demands and actually being terrorists. It's been going over a year and no one ever talks about it in the news.

Then you have the cop that was reported as being killed during the capitol attack with images of someone swinging a fire extinguisher. But the man died of a stroke and even his own mother said there was so physical trauma but no one really reported it on tv.

Meanwhile a unarmed woman was shot and killed while on her hands and knees crawling through a barricade and no one really talks about it on tv because she was part of the terrorist attack on the capital.

And still the national guard is setup at the capital for no apparent reason other than "there might maybe could be more terrorists attacking our nation". And trump is still living rent free in the heads of the democrats.

I can't think of better proof of the democrats trying to push a narrative and the media going right along with them to help their agenda.

The fact is that this animal was trying to force their way into the capitol unlawvfully. She was not a passive standbyer. She was a active participator in a act of sedition.

The fact is that nearly everyone of the protests were peaceful. There were also right wing agitators who were trying to provoke violence. Also the police mishandled the situation by coming out in militarized clothing and equipment. How much was done by these outside forces and protestors is unknown. However the vast majority of protests were peaceful.
Good to know the police can gun down unarmed people for trespassing now.

They have every right to stop a mob breaking into the capitol.

Then why move the barricades for them? The capital belongs to the taxpayers. It's the same as shooting someone who is entering the bathroom of a public park going around the signs that say "bathroom closed for cleaning."

In the video you can clearly see the cop lifting the barricade and moving it out of the way.


SOME barricades were removed by SOME cops. Not all. You having trouble with that fact, hun?

so cops moved barricades. you admit it. that's considered and invitation to walk through. get it? Or, are you saying that was entrapment?
 

However, in the case of the cop who shot Ashli Babbitt, well, who knew she was 'unarmed'? Did the cop? Did her compatriots on the other side of the barricaded door? She and they battered it down, she jumped into the breach despite being warned by the cops --and her compatriots. She still jumped.

It's on her.


...

Its the other way around.
You can't legally shoot unless you know for sure she WAS armed.
And no, Ashli had no part in battering doors or windows.
We hear no warning from the cop who shot, but the gun was pointed for a long time and people were pointing out the gun.
But a warning is where you shoot into the floor or something.
Never happened.
So then legally its murder.
Police do not have the authority to shoot unless they for sure see a deadly weapon.

Anyone - ESPECIALLY a police officer, if they feel there is an immediate DEADLY threat to themself or the general public have the duty to discharge their weapon in order to eliminate the threat.

Someone tell me - where was the "threat"? This lady was not armed, was outside the immediate perimeter. Today, had she been black, there would be MORE riots. However, she was a white lady so - "Too bad, so sad".

Stupid Americans........

For leftists it's only about racism and greed
Who is suing for 10 million dollars?
 

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