U.S. Appeals Court Agrees to Hear Amish Farmer Amos Miller’s Food Freedom Case

[progressive hunter]

You get tiresome. Try expanding your vocabulary along with educating yourself. You are perfectly happy to have the government intrude when it suits you and you are a beneficiary of many the regulations that that provide us with much cleaner and safer food.

tell me one time I was OK with the government intruding or go suck a cock,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

That is utterly simplistic.

and we know you cant understand simple things,,,

 

[Coyote]

tell me one time I was OK with the government intruding or go suck a cock,,,

Your oral fixations are duly noted. One example would be in medical decisions.

Do you think the food industry should be entirely self regulated?

 

[progressive hunter]

Your oral fixations are duly noted. One example would be in medical decisions.

Do you think the food industry should be entirely self regulated?

killing an unborn baby isnt a medical decision baby killer ,,,

the self regulated version hasnt caused as much health problems as the regulated version,,

 

[Coyote]

We Owe Food Regulation to a 19th-Century Chemist Who Poisoned His Colleagues

The Poison Squad, as they became known, was a group of men who willingly consumed dangerous substances to force the government into consumer protections

www.eater.com

At the turn of the 20th century, we had food with preservatives that were literally lethal. There was the swill milk scandal where thousands of people, mostly children, were poisoned. Just from a business standpoint, this seems like it would be bad business for the milk producers. So why were they continuing to use these dangerous additives?

Why do you alter a natural product in the ways that they do? Because it’s profitable. And in the case of milk, one of the ways that both dairymen and breweries could make extra product was to take the spent mash from the swill (that’s what a swill dairy was) from fermenting and making beer and give it to cows as food because it had grain in it. Of course, it was screwed up, horrible grain but it was cheap for the dairymen and it gave a little extra money to the breweries. So you had this sort of non-nutritive milk; it both destroyed the health of the cows and it produced this horrible milk. They did other things; they’d water the milk, they’d re-whiten it with chalk and plaster of Paris. They didn’t really care about cleanliness. If the milk was teeming with bacteria, they’d put formaldehyde in it, which became famous after the Civil War. It’s cheap, it’s synthetic, it tastes kind of sweet-ish; Now your milk lasts a long time and the formaldehyde disguises the taste of the rot even as it’s rotting. So, huge profits.

There was no public health service. So even if your kids are dying, you can’t prove what it is. Everything errs on the side of the corrupt manufacturer in the 19th century, because not only are there no safety regulations and no powerful advocate to say “this killed your kid.” The information wasn’t out there. There was no requirement for labeling. Our labels are inaccurate today, but at least we have them.

Today, the European system is precautionary, this appears to be dangerous; the American system is more, people aren’t dropping in the streets so we’re going to permit it. We have a lot of food additives that we don’t understand, and we buy them because they’re inexpensive and we’re on a limited budget. We can get all holy roller about processed food but sometimes that’s all people can afford.

That was a parallel that really came through — even today you have people who can afford organic milk, or the farmer’s market milk, and people who can’t.

That’s why when people go, “Oh well, be an informed consumer,” I’m like, “Yeah, but…”

 

[otto105]

Amos Miller says he is being persecuted by the federal government for practicing his religious freedom to raise and prepare food the way he believes God intended food to be raised and prepared – in accordance with nature.

Miller practices rotational grazing on his small, holistically managed, century-old farm in Bird-In-Hand Pennsylvania. His heritage-breed cows are raised on organic pastures, with the chickens following behind, eating the bugs from their droppings, and whey-fed pigs trampling all the fertilizer back into the ground behind them.

Around 4000 members of his private food buying club are dependent on his meat, eggs and dairy products, as well as fermented fruits and veggies… and are willing to spend top dollar to get it shipped to them all over the country, as they don’t trust food from the grocery store.

But last spring, a federal judge told Miller to cease and desist all meat sales, and sent armed U.S. marshals to search his property, farm store and freezers. They have taken inventory of all his meat, and now visit him every couple of months to make sure he hasn’t slaughtered or sold anymore animals until his ongoing court trial is settled.

Last summer, the judge also ordered Miller to pay $250,000 for “contempt of court,” and said he will also have to pay the salaries of the USDA investigators assigned to his case, which now adds up to more than $300,000, an amount that would put him out of business.

In May, the judge told Miller he had no right to represent himself in court after Miller attempted to fire his court-appointed attorney, whom he believed was not making any effort to defend him.

Miller has now taken the matter of whether or not he has a legal right to defend himself to the U.S. Appeals Court in Philadelphia, delaying his upcoming September district court hearing.

https://returntonow.net/2022/08/19/a...appeals-court/

This is government overreach, lots of no preservative meat is sold in this country. The Government favors Organic only when they are getting their cut. Our Government has become organized crime.-OG

So, republic’s want to return to The Jungle.

 

[progressive hunter]

We Owe Food Regulation to a 19th-Century Chemist Who Poisoned His Colleagues

The Poison Squad, as they became known, was a group of men who willingly consumed dangerous substances to force the government into consumer protections

www.eater.com

At the turn of the 20th century, we had food with preservatives that were literally lethal. There was the swill milk scandal where thousands of people, mostly children, were poisoned. Just from a business standpoint, this seems like it would be bad business for the milk producers. So why were they continuing to use these dangerous additives?

Why do you alter a natural product in the ways that they do? Because it’s profitable. And in the case of milk, one of the ways that both dairymen and breweries could make extra product was to take the spent mash from the swill (that’s what a swill dairy was) from fermenting and making beer and give it to cows as food because it had grain in it. Of course, it was screwed up, horrible grain but it was cheap for the dairymen and it gave a little extra money to the breweries. So you had this sort of non-nutritive milk; it both destroyed the health of the cows and it produced this horrible milk. They did other things; they’d water the milk, they’d re-whiten it with chalk and plaster of Paris. They didn’t really care about cleanliness. If the milk was teeming with bacteria, they’d put formaldehyde in it, which became famous after the Civil War. It’s cheap, it’s synthetic, it tastes kind of sweet-ish; Now your milk lasts a long time and the formaldehyde disguises the taste of the rot even as it’s rotting. So, huge profits.

There was no public health service. So even if your kids are dying, you can’t prove what it is. Everything errs on the side of the corrupt manufacturer in the 19th century, because not only are there no safety regulations and no powerful advocate to say “this killed your kid.” The information wasn’t out there. There was no requirement for labeling. Our labels are inaccurate today, but at least we have them.

Today, the European system is precautionary, this appears to be dangerous; the American system is more, people aren’t dropping in the streets so we’re going to permit it. We have a lot of food additives that we don’t understand, and we buy them because they’re inexpensive and we’re on a limited budget. We can get all holy roller about processed food but sometimes that’s all people can afford.

That was a parallel that really came through — even today you have people who can afford organic milk, or the farmer’s market milk, and people who can’t.

That’s why when people go, “Oh well, be an informed consumer,” I’m like, “Yeah, but…”

another example of progs not letting a crisis go to waste,,,

no way the FDA can stop someone from poisoning someone

 

[progressive hunter]

So, republic’s want to return to The Jungle.

bring it on ,,,

you libtards would run screaming into the night if you didnt have real people taking care of you

 

[otto105]

bring it on ,,,

you libtards would run screaming into the night if you didnt have real people taking care of you

Boi, I take care of myself and don’t play the victim like maga fuckups.

 

[progressive hunter]

Boi, I take care of myself and don’t play the victim like maga fuckups.

I have no doubt youre one of those soy boys that live in mammas basement,,

 

[Coyote]

killing an unborn baby isnt a medical decision baby killer ,,,

the self regulated version hasnt caused as much health problems as the regulated version,,

A combination of more knowledge, better practices, mandated testing of herds and pasteurization has almost eliminated this source of tuberculosis. Even if you prefer raw milk and forgo pasteurization, the other practices will probably still insure safer milk. Damn government regulations!

Tuberculosis from tainted milk decimates 19th century farm family

By the beginning of the 19th century, tuberculosis, also known as consumption, had killed one in seven of all people that had ever lived.

www.wisfarmer.com

Today, stricter inspection, improved housing for cattle, closed milking systems, closed herds, better herd health, and pasteurization have pretty much eradicated the spread of bovine tuberculosis to humans. The Raw Milk movement brings back some of the concerns we once had with milk quality. Depending on who you listen to, the jury is still out on the issue, but one imagines the Murray family would gladly go back and pasteurize their milk.

 

[otto105]

I have no doubt youre one of those soy boys that live in mammas basement,,

You can believe whatever boi.

I don’t cry on this board like you do.

 

[Coyote]

another example of progs not letting a crisis go to waste,,,

no way the FDA can stop someone from poisoning someone

Well, they seem to have greatly reduced it.

 

[progressive hunter]

A combination of more knowledge, better practices, mandated testing of herds and pasteurization has almost eliminated this source of tuberculosis. Even if you prefer raw milk and forgo pasteurization, the other practices will probably still insure safer milk. Damn government regulations!

Tuberculosis from tainted milk decimates 19th century farm family

By the beginning of the 19th century, tuberculosis, also known as consumption, had killed one in seven of all people that had ever lived.

www.wisfarmer.com

Today, stricter inspection, improved housing for cattle, closed milking systems, closed herds, better herd health, and pasteurization have pretty much eradicated the spread of bovine tuberculosis to humans. The Raw Milk movement brings back some of the concerns we once had with milk quality. Depending on who you listen to, the jury is still out on the issue, but one imagines the Murray family would gladly go back and pasteurize their milk.

not seeing how the FDA fixed that problem,,,

 

[otto105]

Well, they seem to have greatly reduced it.

Hunter still doubts Max Sterne and his vaccine.

 

[progressive hunter]

Well, they seem to have greatly reduced it.

not sure how you think that??
fda doesnt inspect food before it hits the shelves,, in most cases they only come in after a problem surfaces,,

I cant help but notice the biggest epidemics in the food industry were under FDA supervision,,

 

[progressive hunter]

You can believe whatever boi.

I don’t cry on this board like you do.

you do nothing but whine like a little bitch,,

 

[otto105]

you do nothing but whine like a little bitch,,

Dude, you post on here like Stewart Smalley who needs for reaffirmation from other QOP fuckups. It’s your brand.


You should adult.

 

[Coyote]

not sure how you think that??
fda doesnt inspect food before it hits the shelves,, in most cases they only come in after a problem surfaces,,

I cant help but notice the biggest epidemics in the food industry were under FDA supervision,,

They set the rules and regulations. And no, the biggest epidemics were not under FDA supervision. The milk industry being a prime example. Unless you have a more specific definition for “food industry”.

Do you think we would be better with no government regulation of the food industry because it isn’t perfect?

 

[pknopp]

They set the rules and regulations. And no, the biggest epidemics were not under FDA supervision. The milk industry being a prime example. Unless you have a more specific definition for “food industry”.

Do you think we would be better with no government regulation of the food industry because it isn’t perfect?

Seems we always devolve into a "all or nothing" argument.