Tyre Nichols body cam footage

[Mac-7]

The first office who came in contact with him pulled him from the car and started to beat the pee-want out of him.

There was no initial interaction where Nichols was refusing to cooperate.

I would like to see that for myself rather than take your word for it

I’ve seen a lot of videos of traffic stops and when citizens are argumentative it does not end well

 

[tahuyaman]

I am still left with this:

1. It is prudent to comply with cops' demands and take them to task later. You might feel their demands are extreme or unjustified, and you could be right, but it's probably not worth losing your life over.

2. No training is going to overcome this. If you need "training" to understand that you're not supposed to bash people's heads in, you have no business being a cop.

Yes, you should cooperate with the officer when pulled over, but this guy was never given that opportunity. He was immediately jerked out of the car and beaten. Of all the examples of police misconduct I have seen over the last few years, this was the worst.




As a former deputy sheriff I would tend to agree that this is not an issue of poor training. It’s an issue of the culture developed within a sector of this department.

 

[Missourian]

And we are going to get to the place where people can wait to pull over where they feel safe.




He didn't feel safe and as we saw, he was justified in that.

That's fine...but...it gave the police legal justification to remove him from the car and put him in handcuffs.

Legally I am not required to do sqaut without a verifiable reason why.

That is not a true statement.


This isn't from me... This is from the ACLU...


"If you are arrested...

Do not resist arrest, even if you believe the arrest is unfair.
Say you wish to remain silent and ask for a lawyer immediately. Don't give any explanations or excuses. If you can't afford a lawyer, one will be provided."

Your Rights & Law Enforcement

Being stopped by police is a stressful experience that can go bad quickly. Here we describe what the law requires and also offer strategies for handling police encounters.

www.aclu-mo.org

If you resist... even if the police are WRONG... you have committed a crime.

That's a fact.

You can hope for jury nullification...but that is an expensive process.

Here's what Tennessee law says..

Resisting Arrest
TCA § 39-16-602:

(a) It is an offense for a person to intentionally prevent or obstruct anyone known to the person to be a law enforcement officer, or anyone acting in a law enforcement officer's presence and at the officer's direction, from effecting a stop, frisk, halt, arrest or search of any person, including the defendant, by using force against the law enforcement officer or another.

(b) Except as provided in § 39-11-611, it is no defense to prosecution under this section that the stop, frisk, halt, arrest or search was unlawful.

What to Know About Protesting in Tennessee

The rights to assemble and protest are among one of the most protected groups of rights in the American legal system. And while the government is not allowed to infringe upon these rights, it is very important for any and all citizens to be aware of the restrictions the government is allowed to...

www.bestlawhb.com

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Maybe, they beat Tyre because he was only 145 lbs. and 6'3", thinking a black man shouldn't be so scrawny. The offending officers were all husky black men.

Bullying

Bullying is a distinctive pattern of repeatedly and deliberately harming and humiliating others, specifically those who are smaller, weaker, younger or in any way more vulnerable than the bully. The deliberate targeting of those of lesser power is what distinguishes bullying from garden-variety...

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[tahuyaman]

I would like to see that for myself rather than take your word for it

I’ve seen a lot of videos of traffic stops and when citizens are argumentative it does not end well

The video of this one from initial contact on is out there and easy to find. None of the police conduct on this one is in any way justifiable. They did everything wrong. They did things which would be considered wrong even in a third world dictatorship.

 

[XponentialChaos]

I'd rather be accused of kissing their ass than kissing criminals asses. But you are leftist so we know what side you're on, the same side you people always take.

You are kissing the ass of criminals. The police officers will be convicted of murder and you’re eagerly trying to kiss their ass.

If someone fails to comply with police officers, do you think that gives officers permission to beat the person to death? Third time asking. Maybe you can try answering this time instead of running off again.

 

[Missourian]

So, if the law said that the police were able to shoot people for speeding, you would be cool with that since it was the law?

But if pigs flew would we need a migratory bird license to hunt them...

If the law seems wrong to you... your recourse is to have the law changed...

...or challenge the law in court.


Which many of you will get the opportunity to attempt if your online egos match your IRL actions.

 

[Chillicothe]

I just watched several of the early minutes of the Nichols beating. The video I watched just now did not have the stop or the pulling him out of the car. Tho I did say that in a news broadcast earlier in the day. The perspective in my video was from an elevated security cam. I understand there is more than a hour of footage when all is combined....the street security-cam and the body and dash cams of the police.

If ....as is said....Nichols died from this beating. Then clearly.....very clearly ....it was murder.
There was no reason to beat this man with that level of force, applied so frequently, and for so long.

What I saw was Nichols on the ground with two cops hands on him.....all struggling it appeared. There was a lot of thrashing of Nichols legs...as if trying to avoid being hit, or in reaction to pepper-spray. I dunno. It certainly didn't look like any escape attempt.....other than the immediate reactionary avoidance of pain.

But before I turned it off.....two cops were holding him up with his hands secured behind his back.....while another cop, perhaps two......then beat him with a baton and a fist!

Jeeeezus!! 'Holding him up to beat him". Can it get worse than that.....without actually shooting him?

Body cams are gonna ......have already.... changed policing. As clearly they should....and were intended to do. We can applaud Memphis authorities for releasing this video relatively promptly.....then firing, then charging the perps who did this.

Contrast Memphis' actions with the LaQuan McDonald shooting in Chicago. Where the video of that murder by police that was so damning took over a year to surface....and only....and only.....after a judge viewed it and ordered it released.

It was damning. Very very damning to Chicago's police authorities. The chief got fired for it. And Rahm Emanuel decided not to run for another term.

America is better, and policing is getting better (albeit with still shocking exceptions)......because of all of these cameras.

A defense attorney for any of these cops will have challenges explaining the nature of this beat-down. I highly doubt this will go the Rodney King route. There WILL be black folks on a Memphis jury and they will likely have an influential say. Regardless if the perps were black themselves. This was an egregious ---a criminal --- police beat-down.

IMHO



** Also, did you see the report of the Fire Department suspending two EMH blokes for standing around for 16 minutes and doing absolutely nothing to help Nichols. They too, need to be fired. Whether there is criminal liability for their inaction? ...... hell, I dunno. But they need to be canned.

 

[Missourian]

So, they can put cuffs on me because they feel like it and you support that 100%.

Not because "they feel like it"...that was made clear in the ruling.

They must justify their actions if you were to sue them in civil court.

If your point is "they could lie"...what exactly can be done about that in ANY situation?

 

[Mac-7]

The video of this one from initial contact on is out there and easy to find. None of the police conduct on this one is in any way justifiable. They did everything wrong. They did things which would be considered wrong even in a third world dictatorship.

The video you posted was supposed to show the entire stop but it didnt

The first few minutes of the encounter are very important

 

[tahuyaman]

That's fine...but...it gave the police legal justification to remove him from the car and put him in handcuffs….

In this case there was no initial lack of cooperation. There was no verbal exchange between the officers and Nichols. He was not failing to cooperate.

The police immediately opened the door, dragged him from the car and commenced beating him.

It’s becoming apparent that the “alleged” reckless driving incident is not true. The guy was guilty of nothing other than driving home after work and the next thing he knows is that he’s being beaten by a group of animals.

 

[tahuyaman]

The video you posted was supposed to show the entire stop but it didnt

The first few minutes of the encounter are very important

I didn’t post a video. I did see the video of the initial seconds of the interaction. The officers rushed the car, opened the door and pulled Nichols from the drivers seat. There was no interaction. Nichols was not given the opportunity to cooperate or fail to cooperate.

The initial interaction was pulling him from the car then starting to beat him.

 

[Missourian]

There is no legal requirement to pull over immediately. I do not know about Tenn but in Illinois and Missouri you are too pull over at the first safe spot to do so, not immediately.

That is not what happened in this case.

Mr Nichols attempted to slow roll to his home.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

I disagree with him. Im sick of these criminals being defended. Now i want them ALL to die. I dont give a shit about them. If you struggle with cops, youre a dirtbag loser and you deserve to die for being stupid.

You are the judge, jury and executioner.

 

[Missourian]

If the end goal is to save lives then perhaps we should convict police officers who beat people to death for failing to comply.

I agree. They will have their day in court. I'll follow it closely.

 

[Mac-7]

But if pigs flew would we need a migratory bird license to hunt them...

If the law seems wrong to you... your recourse is to have the law changed...

...or challenge the law in court.


Which many of you will get the opportunity to attempt if your online egos match your IRL actions.

People with the Black Brain Disease - or the spirit of 1776 such as Golfing Gator - are too impatient to wait for lawyers and judges to put the cops in their place

They prefer street justice by refusing to obey orders from the police

 

[Mac-7]

I didn’t post a video. I did see the video of the initial seconds of the interaction. The officers rushed the car, opened the door and pulled Nichols from the drivers seat. There was no interaction. Nichols was not given the opportunity to cooperate or fail to cooperate.

The initial interaction was pulling him from the car then starting to beat him.

I dont believe that

Not all the officers arrived at the scene at the same time

A traffic stop normally involves just one or two police unless they call for backup

 

[Missourian]

I believe we empower them too much.

That is a valid opinion.

I look at it from the other side.

You are asking men and women to perform a very difficult and dangerous task, and IMO they need the tools to allow them to accomplish that mission with some safety.

Can those tools be abused.

Of course they can.

But what's the alternative.

Let me put it to you this way.

Constitutional Rights are wonderful.

But the Constitutional tools that ensure our freedoms are used by many criminals abuse to escape justice for their crimes.

But we don't blame the tools.

We need the tools, even though they can be abused.

Apply the same logic to the laws that allow police a modicum of safety in an extremely difficult and dangerous profession.

 

[Missourian]

In this case there was no initial lack of cooperation. There was no verbal exchange between the officers and Nichols. He was not failing to cooperate.

He failed to pull over.

 

[Missourian]

before I turned it off.....two cops were holding him up with his hands secured behind his back.....while another cop, perhaps two......then beat him with a baton and a fist!

Jeeeezus!! 'Holding him up to beat him". Can it get worse than that.....without actually shooting him?

Can you post a link to that video please.