Tyre Nichols body cam footage

[Ray From Cleveland]

Oddly it seems the officers superiors don't even know what the reason was.

It's not the media not reporting it. It's the police themselves saying it.

The police will say anything to try and calm a situation down, including showing the public they are on their side right or wrong.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

These are first reports long before a full investigation. Five cops don't normally perform a traffic stop. Something happened they're not yet telling us otherwise all the action would have taken place with one police officer. It's like the first reports of Trayvon Martin. The media reported he was shot by a white guy for going to the store for a bag of Skittles. We didn't learn (as Paul Harvey used to say) the rest of the story for at least a week.

Wow, so had they come out and said that he was drunk driving you would have taken it and ran with it. The police department itself said there is no evidence that he was doing anything wrong that just can't be the case, now they are lying.

The media knows how to play black people to get them to protest or riot. That means withholding information that would make more sense out of a situation.

That is stupid as hell, so now the media is controlling what the Memphis Police Dept says. That hate just runs so deep, you just can't see it any other way.

 

[Chillicothe]

BA: "I've been arrested twenty times..."

DA: "Maybe we all should think about that for a micro-second or so."

BING: "Why are you being intolerant to my culture?"

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Me??
Me being intolerant?
Without going too far out on the limb here, it appears.......well, it appears the police are the ones intolerant of you and your culture.

It seems.

 

[XponentialChaos]

2. No training is going to overcome this. If you need "training" to understand that you're not supposed to bash people's heads in, you have no business being a cop.

I agree with this.

Many people are not cut out for the job. They’re not there to protect and serve. And we’re not doing anything about it until something like this happens.

 

[Missourian]

Police officers have no expectation that I can not simply go home. They have to be able to state a real reason I must stay.

Officer: Come here.

Citizen: Why?

Officer: Because I said so.

Citizen: Bugger off.

You seem to be willing to miss the big picture here. Everyone can now be armed. If an officer comes up and grabs and detains you with no justification that is assault and you have a right to defend yourself.

Why are you building this strawman?

We are discussing legal compliance.

As in, the police see you driving recklessly...you do not stop when the police attempt to put you over.

This is the situation being discussed.

And in this situation the police can 100% legally remove you from your vehicle and place you in restraints.

It's not me arguing that.

That's a fact. I just gave you the Constitutional law and Civil Rights case upon which that precedent is based.

Your argument isn't with me... it's with Constitutional Law.

 

[basquebromance]

 

[tahuyaman]

If you watch the video it's apparent the officers couldn't get his hands behind his back. So what were they supposed to do?

The officers were effing wrong. Everything one could do wrong they did wrong. Not only were they wrong, they were criminally wrong.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Sadly...not enough bad cops end up too dead to be bad cops.

So You are against law and order. Gotcha.

 

[XponentialChaos]

I disagree with him. Im sick of these criminals being defended. Now i want them ALL to die. I dont give a shit about them. If you struggle with cops, youre a dirtbag loser and you deserve to die for being stupid.

Ashlii Babbitt wasn’t complying with police demands.

We both know that you flip-flopped on that one.

 

[pknopp]

The police will say anything to try and calm a situation down, including showing the public they are on their side right or wrong.

Cops lie? I've argued that for years.

 

[Missourian]

Naah, he'll excuse ANYTHING a cop does. I recall he excused the guy that murdered Daniel Shaver.



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You caught me... I've been lying about being arrested for 13 years on this board just in expectation of this moment.

Great work Sherlock. Watson will be pleased as punch...

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[pknopp]

Why are you building this strawman?

We are discussing legal compliance.

Legally I am not required to do sqaut without a verifiable reason why.

As in, the police see you driving recklessly...you do not stop when the police attempt to put you over.

This is the situation being discussed.

And we are going to get to the place where people can wait to pull over where they feel safe.

And in this situation the police can 100% legally remove you from your vehicle and place you in restraints.

It's not me arguing that.

That's a fact. I just gave you the Constitutional law and Civil Rights case upon which that precedent is based.

Your argument isn't with me... it's with Constitutional Law.

He didn't feel safe and as we saw, he was justified in that.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Again, it doesn't matter if it's one cop or ten.

Yea, it does matter. If 10 police officers can’t subdue a 145-pound guy, then they are shitty police officers who need to do something far less physical.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wow, so had they come out and said that he was drunk driving you would have taken it and ran with it. The police department itself said there is no evidence that he was doing anything wrong that just can't be the case, now they are lying.

That is stupid as hell, so now the media is controlling what the Memphis Police Dept says. That hate just runs so deep, you just can't see it any other way.

The media can withhold video that may play a huge part in this matter. The police could as well. I've yet to see first reporting in situations like this that had the full story. That's why it's my position not to take a stance one way or another until the full story is actually out. What I'm doing here is presenting facts of what was on the video we seen.

I don't know why they pulled him over, what caused them to pull him out of the vehicle, why he fought with them, why there were so many officers there if it was a simple traffic stop, why the officer with the body cam had to run up to the scene instead of just drive up, so many questions I still have that don't make any sense.

Police placating the public is a smart move on their part. To show support for these officers could have led to riots. So tell them what they want to hear be it truth or lie.

 

[XponentialChaos]

My line is... the law.

Your line is...like a liberal... whatever you FEEL like the line should be.

Police can preemptively put you in cuffs under two well defined circumstances.

One is...they have a reasonable suspicion that you are a flight risk.

And two...they have a reasonable suspicion that there is a risk of violence.

These are Constitutionally affirmed, court defined rules for preemptive restrain.

In Mr. Nichols case...Mr. Nichols failed to pull over immediately. From the police point of view...this reasonable constituted a risk of flight based on this same tactic being used in their experience by those attempting to flee.

It was Mr Nichols actions, not those of the police that facilitated Mr Nichols being deemed a flight risk.

This is exactly what I mean when I extol to virtues of compliance.

If the end goal is to save lives...these precedents in law need to be understood. Actions have consequences.

I'm not saying police aren't corrupt.

I'm not saying that these officers or other officers aren't poorly trained, of unsuitable temperament, or are just downright assholes.

What I'm saying is, understanding what the police are legally empowered to do for their own safety in an extremely dangerous profession will save lives.

Do you agree?

If the end goal is to save lives then perhaps we should convict police officers who beat people to death for failing to comply.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

My line is... the law.

So, if the law said that the police were able to shoot people for speeding, you would be cool with that since it was the law?

Is that correct?

Your line is...like a liberal... whatever you FEEL like the line should be.

Police can preemptively put you in cuffs under two well defined circumstances.

One is...they have a reasonable suspicion that you are a flight risk.

And two...they have a reasonable suspicion that there is a risk of violence.

So, they can put cuffs on me because they feel like it and you support that 100%.

I feel that is wrong and you attack me.

Interesting.

In Mr. Nichols case...Mr. Nichols failed to pull over immediately. From the police point of view...this reasonable constituted a risk of flight based on this same tactic being used in their experience by those attempting to flee.

There is no legal requirement to pull over immediately. I do not know about Tenn but in Illinois and Missouri you are too pull over at the first safe spot to do so, not immediately.

What I'm saying is, understanding what the police are legally empowered to do for their own safety in an extremely dangerous profession will save lives.

Do you agree?

I believe we empower them too much.

 

[XponentialChaos]

The police will say anything to try and calm a situation down, including showing the public they are on their side right or wrong.

I’m pretty sure beating a guy to death shows that they’re wrong. And yet you still want to kiss their ass. Weird.

There’s never a cop ass that you won’t kiss. Never some police boots that you won’t lick.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I’m pretty sure beating a guy to death shows that they’re wrong.

And yet you still want to kiss their ass. Weird.

I'd rather be accused of kissing their ass than kissing criminals asses. But you are leftist so we know what side you're on, the same side you people always take.

 

[tahuyaman]

So you kill him? Yeah, that is the only way. The cops are not there to escalate, they are to remain calm, not continually beating and kicking him. It was overkill and I am sure a jury will see it the same.

One of the reasons they couldn’t cuff the guy was because one officer was pulling him one way and another was pulling in another direction while another was pulling him yet another direction. They were working against each other.

Plus they were out of control and more intent on beating the piss out of the guy. These cops were acting like animals.

 

[tahuyaman]

I imagine the first officer to interact with nichols had s body cam also

The first office who came in contact with him pulled him from the car and started to beat the pee-wang out of him.

There was no initial interaction where Nichols was refusing to cooperate.