Tyre Nichols body cam footage

[Lesh]

When you use the term beat to death or murder, of course you are implying it was intentional. But you're not an honest person. If you were an honest person you would use accidental death or manslaughter.

When police can't subdue a suspect they need to use physical force. That's why they are provided weapons like mace, taser and even a night stick. If they can't use physical force then the advantage is to all the criminals.

Was it intentional? No. They were indifferent to the results of their actions. That’s second degree murder.

 

[pknopp]

Senseless wording. If "force" is involved then you may just as well pack your bags and shut down the police force altogether.

There is legal force and there is force to make you comply to unconstitutional actions.

There has to be a law and there have to be rules and guidelines on how to enforce that law.

And it must apply to both sides of the equation.

There need to be clear rules that take into consideration exceptional circumstances, ie. "the correct reaction - unless xxx - is ... ". The problem is when the rules are changed from one minute to the next. Also, having seen a number of "Cops", "Judge Judy" and "Caught in Providence" it seems to me that Americans are drenched in hero-worshipping and moralizing. So how are the American police to know what is expected of them?

They have to be taught it. It's not that hard to understand. As seen in this case. He was asking over and over why he was being stopped. Unless the police have an actual real justification for stopping someone, that person is not under any legal requirement to do anything.

 

[GLASNOST]

There is legal force and there is force to make you comply to unconstitutional actions.




And it must apply to both sides of the equation.




They have to be taught it. It's not that hard to understand. As seen in this case. He was asking over and over why he was being stopped. Unless the police have an actual real justification for stopping someone, that person is not under any legal requirement to do anything.

You have missed the most important part of my post:

"There need to be clear rules that take into consideration exceptional circumstances, ie. "the correct reaction - unless xxx - is ... ". The problem is when the rules are changed from one minute to the next."

 

[pknopp]

You have missed the most important part of my post:

"There need to be clear rules that take into consideration exceptional circumstances, ie. "the correct reaction - unless xxx - is ... ". The problem is when the rules are changed from one minute to the next."

Pulling someone over for no justifiably stated reason is NOT legal. There was no changing of anything here.

There is certainly no ambiguity in the law that a police officer can not continue to kick someone in the head after they are restrained. Where do you see the confusion in that?

 

[struth]

welcome to joe bidens america

 

[strollingbones]

So cops weren't killing people before

 

[pknopp]

So cops weren't killing people before

Of course they were.......and lying about it and getting away with it.

 

[GLASNOST]

Pulling someone over for no justifiably stated reason is NOT legal. There was no changing of anything here.

There is certainly no ambiguity in the law that a police officer can not continue to kick someone in the head after they are restrained. Where do you see the confusion in that?

I understand all of that but focusing on one example doesn't do anyone any good. You are ignoring all of the other examples where the rules have not been clear-cut. This thread is "after the fact" and you're not going to change what happened nor are you going to improve anything by jumping up and down as though this incident is the one size fits all example. What happened here didn't drop out of the sky without precedence. It happened like this because of all the other incidences that went before it. But before you again talk about "forcing" the police you should give a lot of thought to my previous reply.
Unclear laws.
Unclear motivation.
Unclear duties.
Unclear discretion.
Unclear exceptions.
Moralizing.
Hero-worshipping.
Self-preservation.
"Standing your ground".

 

[GLASNOST]

welcome to joe bidens america

Biden is an ass but was this problem any better before he was foisted upon the nation?

 

[krichton]

I saw incredibly bad training, but I also saw a suspect who simply would not comply under any circumstance. By the time they already have you on the ground, it's time to just let them cuff you already. Sue them later. Stop resisting, your life is in the hands of overly aggressive cops, you do the math on that one.

 

[krichton]

The body cam does not show him fighting

Get on the Ground
I’m on the ground

GET ON THE GROUND
I’m on the ground

TASER
Run away

He was not assaulting them, but he did fight them

 

[pknopp]

I understand all of that but focusing on one example doesn't do anyone any good.

It's not just one example. This is NOT the first time these officers have done this.

You are ignoring all of the other examples where the rules have not been clear-cut. This thread is "after the fact" and you're not going to change what happened nor are you going to improve anything by jumping up and down as though this incident is the one size fits all example. What happened here didn't drop out of the sky without precedence. It happened like this because of all the other incidences that went before it. But before you again talk about "forcing" the police you should give a lot of thought to my previous reply.
Unclear laws.
Unclear motivation.
Unclear duties.
Unclear discretion.
Unclear exceptions.
Moralizing.
Hero-worshipping.
Self-preservation.
"Standing your ground".

I'm not interested in your excuses.

 

[Coyote]

If you watch the video it's apparent the officers couldn't get his hands behind his back. So what were they supposed to do?

Beat him to death for 5 minutes?


Sheesh.

 

[Coyote]

Okay, post the video again and show me where officers were successful in getting him to comply to the point they could put the cuffs on him. Time stamp too please.

If 5 officers can not subdue on unarmed man without killing him then they have no business being in the police.

 

[Godboy]

Bodycam video shows Tyre Nichols being beaten, tased by Memphis police

The footage shows 29-year-old Tyre Nichols being repeatedly beaten, hit and battered after he was pulled over on his way home on Jan. 7.

nypost.com

They had the car let him run

Nah, never let criminals run. Its better that they just die. This guy had every opportunity to stop struggling. He fought them every step of the way. If this was universally recognized as standard operating procedure for anyone who struggles, people would stop struggling nationwide. We would have LESS deaths.

I have said it before and i will say it again, i will never feel sorry for dead criminals. If he had complied and the cops still beat him, THEN we have a problem, but not if he struggles.

 

[Godboy]

I haven't watched the video, nor will I watch it either.

You should watch it. Its great example of how not to handle encounters with police. This dude was a fucking idiot and he was a weirdo.

 

[basquebromance]

You should watch it. Its great example of how not to handle encounters with police. This due was a fucking idiot and he was a weirdo.

I sent ya free full ryan garcia fight where he KO's Javier Fortuna multiple times!

 

[Godboy]

Nope, don’t care too.

I’m assuming he didn’t comply since cops don’t normally beat the fuck out of someone for no reason.

He struggled, got away, twice, they caught him, struggled to get cuffs on, they kicked him, he still struggled, they hit him, he continued to struggle. He fought every step of the way, and it wasnt an onslaught of continuous attacks. There were pauses between each attack as they tried to get the cuffs on.

Going for a cops gun is a terrible idea.

 

[basquebromance]

hopefully this sermon by my bro can bring people together. FROM THE HEART!

 

[GLASNOST]

It's not just one example. This is NOT the first time these officers have done this.

That is MY POINT to you, not the other way around. Reading comprehension problem?

I'm not interested in your excuses.

Who's talking about "excuses"? The default interpretation of your comment is that you are not interested in "remedies". Reading comprehension problem, for sure.