Two-party death spiral is killing us

This problem can be solved with term limits.

Of course, to get term limits, we need the very people in office, the duopoly, to agree, which is the same problem.

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my head hurts

Term limits are not really legal because they prevent free choice, if there is no other suitable representative the people like.
 
Look around, independent parties are a dime a dozen. Latch on to one of them if you think you can make a difference. Democrats already have a socialist voting with them. Go for socialism if you think it works. The dirty little secret is that most of the people who claim to be dissatisfied with the two party system are democrats who suffer from buyers remorse.

Independent parties do not fix anything.
The problem is the most popular candidates who would be voted for by over half of each party, can never get past the party primary.
Party primaries always instead select for the most extreme partisan possibility instead of the most common choice.
 
Police your own preference party, work on getting the best most capable honest hard working( not just loud talking) people in office. Problem fixed. but no takers, easier to just blame the other guy.

Wrong.
Each party always will and should pick who represents the party the most, not who would be best to win the overall election.
There just must NOT be any party influence on candidate choices, at all.
Completely eliminated.
 
Exactly. Great Idea. You can all agree with ME and everything will be fine.

No one has to agree.
All you have to do is just have one open election.
Keep the parties out of it entirely.
You can avoid tie run offs if people rank all the candidates instead of just voting for 1.
 
No one has to agree.
All you have to do is just have one open election.
Keep the parties out of it entirely.
You can avoid tie run offs if people rank all the candidates instead of just voting for 1.
If we want to get this Nation; especially our Society and Government fixed we most definitely have to start agreeing on the definitions of Right and Wrong. If not, the problems cannot be corrected.

The Government cannot fix Government Those repairs need to be made from outside the arena of Government and Public Service. From The People.

Ranked choice voting is something I cannot support. If I cannot get behind a single candidate 100%, then I don’t vote for any candidate for that position.
 
They know they must keep us divided to continue the status quo of enriching and empowering themselves
Until the realization that we are no more than a one party system, cloaked in the guise of choice, we will continue to devolve

~S~
 
For my money, the biggest problem we have in US politics today is the lack of consensus. Partisan idiocy undermines everything we do, costing us money and lives. Our system actively discourages consensus and blocks out alternatives. Time to fix it.

Ideas?

I think both ranked-choice voting (to get rid of LO2E) and multi-rep districts (to reduce gerrymandering) would help a lot. Of course the problem is that any reform has to make it through the two-party shitshow before it can be implemented. And the partisans have an vested interest in preventing that.
The biggest problem in America is modern corporatism. Which is what created the divide on purpose.
Everything you say, was done by design. To purposefully ensure the same politicians win over and over and over regardless of how bad the problems get.
I have a thread here explaining what happened in the paper industry beginning in the late 90s.
How China dumped the markets (illegal our government did nothing)
Over 300 paper mills in America closed permanently.
Over 75,000 full time jobs lost .
Then China came in and bought up the paper companies they put out of business.
They own two of the largest paper companies in Canada, and several in the United States.
By the time our corrupt government started to do something... it was already over.
By design.
 
Until the realization that we are no more than a one party system, cloaked in the guise of choice, we will continue to devolve

~S~
Very true, but I see no evidence the American people are moving in this way en masse. The divisive tactics of the oligarchs and their controlled media continue to be very effective on too many Americans.
 
The biggest problem in America is modern corporatism. Which is what created the divide on purpose.
Everything you say, was done by design. To purposefully ensure the same politicians win over and over and over regardless of how bad the problems get.
I have a thread here explaining what happened in the paper industry beginning in the late 90s.
How China dumped the markets (illegal our government did nothing)
Over 300 paper mills in America closed permanently.
Over 75,000 full time jobs lost .
Then China came in and bought up the paper companies they put out of business.
They own two of the largest paper companies in Canada, and several in the United States.
By the time our corrupt government started to do something... it was already over.
By design.
I agree. Corporatism is a huge problem for the American people and has been for a long time. It has hollowed out many communities throughout the country. The two parties not only failed to stop this disaster, they supported it. Because they are both bought and paid for by big corporations.
 
Very true, but I see no evidence the American people are moving in this way en masse. The divisive tactics of the oligarchs and their controlled media continue to be very effective on too many Americans.
what defines our system, between an oligarchy and democracy , may be enlightening Gip


~S~
 
I agree. Corporatism is a huge problem for the American people and has been for a long time. It has hollowed out many communities throughout the country. The two parties not only failed to stop this disaster, they supported it. Because they are both bought and paid for by big corporations.
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political consensus
what quantifies that though?

for ex, are we really being represented w/ 435 incumbents?

Juxtaposed to the fact we're 10X's the population since we came to said #??

What say that become 4350 representatives?

How's about we institute a draft vs election, think of public service as being obligatory , vs. winning the lottery

~S~
 
what quantifies that though?

for ex, are we really being represented w/ 435 incumbents?

Juxtaposed to the fact we're 10X's the population since we came to said #??

What say that become 4350 representatives?

How's about we institute a draft vs election, think of public service as being obligatory , vs. winning the lottery

~S~

The less political consensus, the better ... a completely stalemated and ineffectual Congress is the best of all possible outcomes.
 
America needs, desperately, another George Washington—a unifying force in human form capable of uniting all Americans under one common goal. Such a person would have to first raise/recruit and lead an army against the forces of "darkness" tearing our nation asunder. His path would be one of bloody, intense internal domestic warfare. Hopefully, at the end of it, we'd be back on track. He would need to embody the Spirit of '76. He would be neither republican nor democrat nor independent nor whatever else half-ass party; he would identify only as American.
The last thing we need is another politician.

We need to place term limits on all political offices, we need to get the money out of politics and end the billions of dollars of soft donations to the DNC and RNC and even more importantly we need a third party that can stop any the republicans or democrats from getting bill passed solely along party lines.
 
what defines our system, between an oligarchy and democracy , may be enlightening Gip


~S~
It’s pretty clear to some of us the oligarchy runs the country. They get what they want. The people have the power to change this, if we come together. However, we’re probably more divided than ever.

Unfortunately few Americans see the truth. If you talk about income inequality and the resulting consequences of concentrating enormous wealth into the hands of a few individuals, you are immediately denigrated as a communist by a certain segment of Americans. These Americans fail to see that wealth means political power, in our crony capitalist system.

If you point out that the extreme wealthy and the big corporations they run receive government protections and benefits (socialism) while the people labor under a capitalist system, you’re again labeled a commie.

So it goes in the land of the free.
 
We must accept the corrupt system we have because otherwise we’ll get tyrannical communism. Do I have that right?

The most corrupt systems are those where politicos are in total agreement ... they agree to grab everything they can get their hands on.

The more weak the political system, the less opportunity for corruption.

After all, you can't sell influence if you wield no influence.
 
The duopoly will always be the problem. As long as the majority of people engage in tribalism, the cycle will continue…
 
Party primaries always instead select for the most extreme partisan possibility instead of the most common choice.
Right. And ranked choice voting would penalize that tendency toward extremism and reward parties for nominating candidates with broad appeal.
 

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