CDZ Two options...the European model of self defense, and the American model of Self defensse.

We have background checks for licensed dealers now without universal registration, don't we?.
Licensed dealers have all kinda federal paperwork in regards what firearms they have and are for sale. That precludes them from NOT doing background checks. A private seller has no foot print in the fed system so there is no way with out universal registration to see whether or not private sales have back ground checks.
 
Over the last 121 years, it has been Congress that has been the greatest mass murderer which they congratulate themselves for by legalizing it.
 
The point is we have a crazy out of control gun culture where even the criminals have no problem getting their hands on guns. In Australia and Canada and England far less people are victims of gun violence as they are here in America.

Face it. If we had tougher gun laws we'd have less dead people in America every year. You could still have hunting guns and guns to protect your home but not every tom dick and harry can get an assault rifle.

I would feel safer in another country despite the fact that so many John Wayne's are running around packin. They don't make me feel safe but all the American rampage shooters do make me feel unsafe.
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All that it will ever require to launch into a killing spree, is a 6” boning knife. The killer can take out 3 people, with fatal wounds, before anyone knows what’s going on.
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My model of self defense, the .45 Automatic.
It has been proven in 2 world wars, and on the streets of America.
It will bring physical attacks to a screeching halt.
That pistol was invented for the purpose of killing Philippinos who didn't like USA invading and stealing their country. USA killed over a million Philippinos in the process. Ain't America Great?
 
That pistol was invented for the purpose of killing Philippinos who didn't like USA invading and stealing their country. USA killed over a million Philippinos in the process. Ain't America Great?
Actually it was invented to put down drug crazed Muslims and jungle pirates in the Philippines. The 38 wouldn't stop the hopped up attacker.
 
That pistol was invented for the purpose of killing Philippinos who didn't like USA invading and stealing their country. USA killed over a million Philippinos in the process. Ain't America Great?
The .45 is great.
Where did you get the figure of 1,000,000 dead Phillipinos?
Are you talking about the Spanish American War?
And are you embracing the Moros in all of this, as somehow noble?
They were Muslim lunatics.
 
Licensed dealers have all kinda federal paperwork in regards what firearms they have and are for sale. That precludes them from NOT doing background checks. A private seller has no foot print in the fed system so there is no way with out universal registration to see whether or not private sales have back ground checks.
The vast majority of responsible gun owners would follow the law and find out if the purchaser is allowed to posses a gun. There is no reason to do that now. That would keep countless guns out of the hands of crooks. No need for registration to do that.
 
The .45 is great.
Where did you get the figure of 1,000,000 dead Phillipinos?
Are you talking about the Spanish American War?
And are you embracing the Moros in all of this, as somehow noble?
They were Muslim lunatics.
The ever stupid and deluded Americans invaded the Philippines with malice a fore thought. Who ever went over there deserved to get chopped up my some dedicated Moros.
 
^^^^^
This is a lie, or a statement of ignorance.
1: Most mass shootings in the US are committed with, and most people killed in a mass shooting die from, handguns.
2: No assault rifles have been used in a mass shooting in the US.

^^^^^
This is a lie, or a statement of ignorance.
1: Most mass shootings in the US are committed with, and most people killed in a mass shooting die from, handguns.
2: No assault rifles have been used in a mass shooting in the US.
On the evening of October 1, 2017, Stephen Paddock, a 64-year-old man from Mesquite, Nevada, opened fire upon the crowd attending the Route 91 Harvest music festival on the Las Vegas Strip in Nevada. From his 32nd-floor suites in the Mandalay Bay Hotel he fired more than 1,000 bullets, killing 60 people[a] and wounding 411

The incident is the deadliest mass shooting committed by an individual in United States history. It focused attention on firearms laws in the U.S., particularly with regard to bump stocks, which Paddock used to fire shots in rapid succession, at a rate similar to that of automatic firearms.[4] Bump stocks were banned by the U.S. Justice Department in December 2018, with the regulation in effect as of March 2019. This ban was suspended by the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals on March 25, 2021.

and numerous high-capacity magazines capable of holding up to 100 rounds apiece were found in the suite.[142][143] Fourteen of the firearms were .223-caliber AR-15-type semi-automatic rifles: three manufactured by Colt, two by Daniel Defense, two by FN Herstal, two by LWRC International, two by POF-USA, one with a .223 Wylde chamber by Christensen Arms, one made-to-order by LMT, and one by Noveske. The others were eight .308-caliber AR-10-type rifles, one .308-caliber Ruger American bolt-action rifle, and one .38-caliber Smith & Wesson Model 342 revolver.[142][144][145] The AR-15 rifles were fitted with vertical forward grips and bump stocks,[142][144] the latter of which allowed for recoil to actuate their triggers at a rate of 90 rounds in 10 seconds.[146] The AR-10 rifles were equipped with various telescopic sights and mounted on bipods.[142][147][148] Paddock was found to have fired a total of 1,058 rounds from fifteen of the firearms: 1,049 from twelve AR-15-style rifles, eight from two AR-10-style rifles, and the round used to kill himself from the Smith & Wesson revolver.[32]

During the subsequent investigation, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives determined that the firearms found in his hotel room, along with more guns found in his homes, had been legally purchased in Nevada, California, Texas, and Utah.[149] In the month preceding the shooting, he had attempted to purchase tracer ammunition, but the gun dealer he approached did not have the item in stock.[150] He bought tracer ammunition from a private seller at a Phoenix, Arizona gun show.[151] In addition, ammonium nitrate (often used in improvised explosive devices) was found in the trunk of his Hyundai Tucson SUV, along with 1,600 rounds of ammunition and 50 pounds (23 kg) of Tannerite, a binary explosive used to make explosive targets for gun ranges.[152][153] Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said that while Paddock had "nefarious intent" with the material, he did not appear to have assembled an explosive device.
 
you beat around the bush, you keep things ambiguous to mask your position....you keep one foot in the closet because you know you should be ashamed of your position on the matter.
This is a strange way to admit you are wrong, but OK...
On the evening of October 1, 2017, Stephen Paddock, a 64-year-old man from Mesquite, Nevada,
1: This does nothing to negate the fact most mass shootings are committed with handguns
2: Paddock did not use an assault rifle.
 
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This is a strange wary to admit you are wrong, but OK...

1: This does nothing to negate the fact most mass shootings are committed with handguns
2: Paddock did not use an assault rifle.
That first part was meant for someone else. I tried to delete it.

Well I'm glad we are trying to make bump stocks illegal. You?
 
The vast majority of responsible gun owners would follow the law and find out if the purchaser is allowed to posses a gun. There is no reason to do that now. That would keep countless guns out of the hands of crooks. No need for registration to do that.


Individual sellers are not supplying criminals.....you know this, you have been shown this...your goal is gun registration which is why you push universal background checks...as RetiredGySgt. pointed out in post #461

Licensed dealers have all kinda federal paperwork in regards what firearms they have and are for sale. That precludes them from NOT doing background checks. A private seller has no foot print in the fed system so there is no way with out universal registration to see whether or not private sales have back ground checks.

You know this, but you need gun registration before you try to ban and confiscate guns..

Straw buyers pass any background check......you doofus......you know this.....criminals also steal guns....and they don't do a background check before they steal the gun....you doofus.

 
On the evening of October 1, 2017, Stephen Paddock, a 64-year-old man from Mesquite, Nevada, opened fire upon the crowd attending the Route 91 Harvest music festival on the Las Vegas Strip in Nevada. From his 32nd-floor suites in the Mandalay Bay Hotel he fired more than 1,000 bullets, killing 60 people[a] and wounding 411

The incident is the deadliest mass shooting committed by an individual in United States history. It focused attention on firearms laws in the U.S., particularly with regard to bump stocks, which Paddock used to fire shots in rapid succession, at a rate similar to that of automatic firearms.[4] Bump stocks were banned by the U.S. Justice Department in December 2018, with the regulation in effect as of March 2019. This ban was suspended by the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals on March 25, 2021.

and numerous high-capacity magazines capable of holding up to 100 rounds apiece were found in the suite.[142][143] Fourteen of the firearms were .223-caliber AR-15-type semi-automatic rifles: three manufactured by Colt, two by Daniel Defense, two by FN Herstal, two by LWRC International, two by POF-USA, one with a .223 Wylde chamber by Christensen Arms, one made-to-order by LMT, and one by Noveske. The others were eight .308-caliber AR-10-type rifles, one .308-caliber Ruger American bolt-action rifle, and one .38-caliber Smith & Wesson Model 342 revolver.[142][144][145] The AR-15 rifles were fitted with vertical forward grips and bump stocks,[142][144] the latter of which allowed for recoil to actuate their triggers at a rate of 90 rounds in 10 seconds.[146] The AR-10 rifles were equipped with various telescopic sights and mounted on bipods.[142][147][148] Paddock was found to have fired a total of 1,058 rounds from fifteen of the firearms: 1,049 from twelve AR-15-style rifles, eight from two AR-10-style rifles, and the round used to kill himself from the Smith & Wesson revolver.[32]

During the subsequent investigation, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives determined that the firearms found in his hotel room, along with more guns found in his homes, had been legally purchased in Nevada, California, Texas, and Utah.[149] In the month preceding the shooting, he had attempted to purchase tracer ammunition, but the gun dealer he approached did not have the item in stock.[150] He bought tracer ammunition from a private seller at a Phoenix, Arizona gun show.[151] In addition, ammonium nitrate (often used in improvised explosive devices) was found in the trunk of his Hyundai Tucson SUV, along with 1,600 rounds of ammunition and 50 pounds (23 kg) of Tannerite, a binary explosive used to make explosive targets for gun ranges.[152][153] Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said that while Paddock had "nefarious intent" with the material, he did not appear to have assembled an explosive device.


None of those are "Assault" weapons by any stretch of the imagination....you are wrong....

And a muslim terrorist in Nice, France, murdered 86, not 60, with just a rental truck and 5 minutes of driving...

The weapon does not matter, the location of the target matters....

There is only one mass public shooting where the rifle had an advantage in the shooting, and that was Las Vegas, where the range was over 200 yards......but he was also firing into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people, at night, from a concealed and fortified position.......with his initial shooting masked by the concert.



And if the crowd hadn't been trapped in that concert arena, he wouldn't have been able to kill as many since they would have run away or found cover.....since shooting at moving targets at hundreds of yards is almost impossible for all but expertly trained shooters...



At the range of every other mass public shooting a rifle has no advantage over pistols or shotguns.......



again.....at the range of a mass public shooting the AR-15 is no better than a pump action shotgun....as are 2 handguns......you idiot...



Boulder....used an AR-15 with magazines that held more than 10 bullets.. 10 killed.....



Virginia Tech...2 pistols, one with 10 round magazine..... 32 killed.



Do you see that the AR-15 killed fewer people than the 2 pistols?



Boulder...10 killed with an AR-15 rifle and regular magazines ( holding more than 10 bullets)



Luby's Cafe..... 2 pistols....24 killed.



Do you see that the 2 pistols killed more than the AR-15?



Do you know what the difference was between these attacks?



The cops immediately responded and shot at the attacker in boulder, causing him to stop shooting unarmed victims, and then he shot himself....



Virginia Tech and Luby's Cafe, the police didn't get there, and at Luby's Cafe, the one woman who could have shot and killed the attacker had to leave her gun in her car because of stupid gun free zone laws....



Boulder AR-15 with magazines that hold more than 10 bullets...you know, regular magazines..... 10 killed...



Kerch, Russia, Polytechnic school shooting.... 5 shot, pump action shotgun...which means it had 5 shells which is 5 less than 10........20 killed 70 wounded.



Kazan, Russia school shooting....semi-automatic shotgun 5 + 1 or 7 +1 capacity...9 killed, 23 injured



Perm, Russia school shooting.... 4 + 1 capacity, 6 killed, 43 injured



Do you see that the AR-15 killed fewer people than the 5 shot, pump action shotgun?



The difference? The Russian police station was 100 yards away from the school...and it still took them 10 minutes to get to the school...and he managed to kill 20 people with a 5 shot, pump action shotgun....10 more than the Boulder shooter with a rifle and a regular sized magazine...





So again.......in a mass public shooting the number of bullets in the gun magazine doesn't mean anything......the gun doesn't make the difference....



What makes the difference?



1) if the target is a gun free zone, more people get killed.



2) if someone starts shooting at the attacker, they commit suicide, or surrender, or runaway....



That is what you don't understand and don't care to understand since you simply have a mental issue when it comes to the AR-15 rifle.

That rifle had no special advantage in a mass public shooting.



We have 20 million AR-15 rifles in private hands in the U.S....



They were used for mass public shootings 4 times in 2019 killing a grand total of



41



Deer kill 200 people a year.



Ladders kill 300 people a year.



Lawn mowers kill between 90-100 people a year...
 
That first part was meant for someone else. I tried to delete it.

Well I'm glad we are trying to make bump stocks illegal. You?


Why?

Bump stocks are a range toy...thousands likely in private hands, and one was used in las vegas....

Are you really this mentally impaired?

The bump stock kept him from killing more people.......are you as dumb as Bulldog?

Do you need this explained as well?
 
Why?

Bump stocks are a range toy...thousands likely in private hands, and one was used in las vegas....

Are you really this mentally impaired?

The bump stock kept him from killing more people.......are you as dumb as Bulldog?

Do you need this explained as well?
Yes please.
 
Yes please.


The bump stock is a device that moves the gun, which creates the pull of the trigger.......because of the movement of the bolt, the explosion from the bullet and now the bump stock...the muzzle of the rifle goes up...this means that the more the gun fired, the more the muzzle went up, sending bullets over the concert area, and not into the concert area. That means bullets were going into the empty field instead of the concert area...which means the bump stock saved lives.......
 

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