Turkey will veto Sweden and Finland NATO membership.

[Sunni Man]

NATO is the only guarantee Turkey has against a Russian invasion - and they know it.

Russia never had any intention of invading Turkey.

 

[schmidlap]

After the U.S., the country of Turkey has the 2nd largest army of all the NATO members.

Even if Erdogan acts on behalf of his fellow totalitarian, NATO would still come to the defense of Finland and Sweden against further Russian aggression. They are already close partners with the alliance and take part in NATO drills, and Great Britain has formally committed to come to their aid.

May 11 (UPI) -- British Prime Minister [URL='https://www.upi.com/topic/Boris_Johnson/']Boris Johnson signed declarations Wednesday assuring mutual security protections with Finland and Sweden one week ahead of their plans to apply to join NATO.​

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The declarations include protections against traditional and cyber attacks as the two Nordic countries face growing threats from nearby Russia.[/url]​

 

[Sunni Man]

Are there any Russian bases in Turkey?

Not that I'm aware of, but Russia does have the huge Black Sea fleet naval base in the port city of Sevastopol in southern Crimea. Which is only a little over 300 miles from Turkey.

 

[Richard-H]

Russia never had any intention of invading Turkey.

That's what they said about Ukraine.

 

[Sunni Man]

That's what they said about Ukraine.

Who said that and when? ...

 

[Richard-H]

Who said that and when? ...

Go google it yourself. Russia guaranteed that they would never attack Ukraine when they convinced Ukraine to give up it's nuclear weapons.

Try keeping up.

 

[Meathead]

Who said that and when? ...

Obama, who was Brandon before Brandon was Brandon.

 

[Richard-H]

Who said that and when? ...

Cause you probably don't know how to use google:

Yes, Russia promised in 1994 to never attack Ukraine if it gave up its nuclear weapons

Ukraine, Russia, the U.S. and the UK signed a 1994 treaty that assured Ukraine it would be safe from attack as long as it gave up its massive stockpile of nukes.

www.verifythis.com

 

[Sunni Man]

Go google it yourself. Russia guaranteed that they would never attack Ukraine when they convinced Ukraine to give up it's nuclear weapons.

And at the same time the U.S. promised they wouldn't expand NATO membership to any more countries. Then proceeded over the next few years to allow several countries that bordered Russia to join NATO.

 

[surada]

And at the same time the U.S. promised they wouldn't expand NATO membership to any more countries. Then proceeded over the next few years to allow several countries that bordered Russia to join NATO.

Who is Russia to say who can do what?

 

[Sunni Man]

Who is Russia to say who can do what?

Who was America to say that Cuba couldn't have Russian nuclear missiles on it's own territory?

 

[gipper]

There is no downside to Finland and Sweden joining NATO.
Erdogan has the veto, but may not use it.
Maybe we can convince him a veto is a bad idea?

Erdogan could use his veto against Sweden and Finland joining NATO

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said today that he is not in favor of Finland and Sweden joining NATO, stressing that Turkey could use its veto as a member of the Western military alliance. "We are following closely the developments regarding Sweden and Finland, but we do not have a...

www.txtreport.com

No downside really?

Obviously the only possible response to a war that was caused by NATO expansionism is to dramatically expand NATO.

CRAZY!

 

[kyzr]

Why would Erdogan veto them?

From the article:
"The Turkish leader justified the opposition by citing the alleged support of Sweden and other Scandinavian countries for Kurdish militants, whom the Turkish state considers terrorists, reports"

 

[gipper]

Who is Russia to say who can do what?

Do you say the same about the US?

 

[surada]

From the article:
"The Turkish leader justified the opposition by citing the alleged support of Sweden and other Scandinavian countries for Kurdish militants, whom the Turkish state considers terrorists, reports"

Thanks. Damn it just goes on and on.

 

[kyzr]

Go google it yourself. Russia guaranteed that they would never attack Ukraine when they convinced Ukraine to give up it's nuclear weapons.
Try keeping up.

Google "Budapest Memorandum", Russia, the US, and France signed it too.
We agreed to protect the Ukraine if they gave up their nukes. We lied...

Opinion | How Ukraine Was Betrayed in Budapest

Kyiv gave up its nuclear weapons in return for security assurances. So much for that.

www.wsj.com

 

[Lakhota]

Turkey sucks! Reminds me of Ayn Rand Paul.

 

[Donald H]

Turkey shares the Black Sea and is a close trading partner with Russia, especially with oil and LNG products.
Erdogan does't see any benefit in antagonizing Putin by voting for Finland and Sweden to become members of NATO.

Yes, that's the reason and the only possible reason.

Turkey is America's loose cannon in Nato and that hasn't been a secret for several years.

This discussion is productive as in there being some different views being aired!

 

[Frankeneinstein]

There's something suspicious about this OP, best to view him with the gimlet eye I suspect

 

[Donald H]

Google "Budapest Memorandum", Russia, the US, and France signed it too.
We agreed to protect the Ukraine if they gave up their nukes. We lied...

Opinion | How Ukraine Was Betrayed in Budapest

Kyiv gave up its nuclear weapons in return for security assurances. So much for that.

www.wsj.com

Don't forget the Ukraine's betrayal of the Minsk agreement and thir continous waging of war in the Donbass since 2014 and even before!

No, Russia never did intend to invade the Ukraine. Russia had to have known that it was getting into a losing proposition, but couldn't not finally take a stand.

And of course Russia acted with the confidence of their nuclear arsenal. Both from the POV that they wouldn't/couldn't be attacked by the US and also that the US couldn't ever defeat Russia.

Now the mutually agreed upon limitations are proving that out. If either America or Russia push the envelope on the agreed upon limitations, world war 3 will begin.

If the limitations are adhered to then nobody really knows how it will end. We can only know that Russia is never going to accept defeat.

Anybody still thinking that Nato is important now is engaged in wishful thinking!