Tulsi: We Now Need Universal Income

[Ray From Cleveland]

What is Gabberd’s position on illegal aliens?

I bet she opposes deporting illegal aliens or stopping them at the border before they get here

which is another reason that UBI is a pretty dumb idea

If we did have it, I don't think it would be extended to illegal aliens. In fact, it might work out better because they wouldn't be able to use their children to get on our social programs.

I usually agree with you Ray, but you are off base on this one. UBI is a bad idea no matter how you implement it is just more dependence on government and bigger government.

My idea would be to eventually replace all social programs with UBI. If we ran the numbers and found it would actually save our government money, then it should be looked at. As long as we have the problems we do today, the Democrats will keep pushing for more and more social programs.

The Democrats don't have the power to push through their new social program ideas, but that won't last forever. It might not last until next year, who knows? So if we had a strict policy of UBI with no more new social programs, it would solve a lot of problems for both Republicans and Democrats.

it would be too easy to abuse and cheat, and it would create more government, not less.

the concept seems good on the surface but the devil is always in the details.

I think our systems are getting ripped off a bunch now, like to the tune of tens of billions a year, and that's just Medicare and Medicaid alone. With over 88 federal social programs, not to mention local ones, we have thousands of federal workers dealing with all this nonsense, instead of just one like we would have for UBI. So I really think it would reduce government dramatically.

I'm not saying we should convert to the idea, but look into it more seriously with the bean counters.

None of the current welfare programs would go away

this new handout would just go on top of all the others

Agreed. That was Tulsi's plan. However I extrapolated that to replacing all our social programs, which is what I support looking into. I would never support UBI with the current social programs we have today. I feel that the current programs we have today discourage work, benefit only those who don't want to work, and create a dichotomy between the haves and have-nots.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Let them start with 1000 and pretty soon....you'll be at the edge.

I liked her.....but she's not that smart.

Yes, that could happen, and will likely happen. But doesn't that already happen today with our social programs?

Now the Democrats (in their battle of financial relief) want to extend unemployment. They want to have paid family leave. They want an increase in SS payments by 200 bucks a month until the end of 2021. So yes, they are trying to expand other government programs.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

Price of goods rise to meet the availability of money.
Tuition rises when government gets involved because people can bow "afford" higher tuition

Healthcare cost rises because of government deep pockets.

If a "business" could only charge what people could actually afford (thru WORK), then that's what a product or service will cost.

Also, expenditures will always rise to meet income. That's basic human nature.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Those who have made it clear that they aren't interested in working and prefer mooching on the sides of streets, don't deserve dime one; the same holds true of the drug/alcohol addicts. Their deliberate disobedience of the laws should also negate them from any monetary reward, as they would only funnel it into their addiction. No illegal migrant should be given dime one. Let them return to their own nation and get money from their government.

 

[Mac-7]

What is Gabberd’s position on illegal aliens?

I bet she opposes deporting illegal aliens or stopping them at the border before they get here

which is another reason that UBI is a pretty dumb idea

If we did have it, I don't think it would be extended to illegal aliens. In fact, it might work out better because they wouldn't be able to use their children to get on our social programs.

I usually agree with you Ray, but you are off base on this one. UBI is a bad idea no matter how you implement it is just more dependence on government and bigger government.

My idea would be to eventually replace all social programs with UBI. If we ran the numbers and found it would actually save our government money, then it should be looked at. As long as we have the problems we do today, the Democrats will keep pushing for more and more social programs.

The Democrats don't have the power to push through their new social program ideas, but that won't last forever. It might not last until next year, who knows? So if we had a strict policy of UBI with no more new social programs, it would solve a lot of problems for both Republicans and Democrats.

it would be too easy to abuse and cheat, and it would create more government, not less.

the concept seems good on the surface but the devil is always in the details.

I think our systems are getting ripped off a bunch now, like to the tune of tens of billions a year, and that's just Medicare and Medicaid alone. With over 88 federal social programs, not to mention local ones, we have thousands of federal workers dealing with all this nonsense, instead of just one like we would have for UBI. So I really think it would reduce government dramatically.

I'm not saying we should convert to the idea, but look into it more seriously with the bean counters.

None of the current welfare programs would go away

this new handout would just go on top of all the others

Agreed. That was Tulsi's plan. However I extrapolated that to replacing all our social programs, which is what I support looking into. I would never support UBI with the current social programs we have today. I feel that the current programs we have today discourage work, benefit only those who don't want to work, and create a dichotomy between the haves and have-nots.

liberals like tulsi do not intend to repeal and replace

they just want to add to what is already there

and they are the prime movers of UBI not you

besides as I keep pointing out irresponsible people will still waste the money from UBI and demand to be taken care of

and bleeding heart libs will be more than willing to bring back the welfare programs on top of UBI

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What is Gabberd’s position on illegal aliens?

I bet she opposes deporting illegal aliens or stopping them at the border before they get here

which is another reason that UBI is a pretty dumb idea

If we did have it, I don't think it would be extended to illegal aliens. In fact, it might work out better because they wouldn't be able to use their children to get on our social programs.

I usually agree with you Ray, but you are off base on this one. UBI is a bad idea no matter how you implement it is just more dependence on government and bigger government.

My idea would be to eventually replace all social programs with UBI. If we ran the numbers and found it would actually save our government money, then it should be looked at. As long as we have the problems we do today, the Democrats will keep pushing for more and more social programs.

The Democrats don't have the power to push through their new social program ideas, but that won't last forever. It might not last until next year, who knows? So if we had a strict policy of UBI with no more new social programs, it would solve a lot of problems for both Republicans and Democrats.

it would be too easy to abuse and cheat, and it would create more government, not less.

the concept seems good on the surface but the devil is always in the details.

I think our systems are getting ripped off a bunch now, like to the tune of tens of billions a year, and that's just Medicare and Medicaid alone. With over 88 federal social programs, not to mention local ones, we have thousands of federal workers dealing with all this nonsense, instead of just one like we would have for UBI. So I really think it would reduce government dramatically.

I'm not saying we should convert to the idea, but look into it more seriously with the bean counters.

None of the current welfare programs would go away

this new handout would just go on top of all the others

Agreed. That was Tulsi's plan. However I extrapolated that to replacing all our social programs, which is what I support looking into. I would never support UBI with the current social programs we have today. I feel that the current programs we have today discourage work, benefit only those who don't want to work, and create a dichotomy between the haves and have-nots.

liberals like tulsi do not intend to repeal and replace

they just want to add to what is already there

and they are the prime movers of UBI not you

besides as I keep pointing out irresponsible people will still waste the money from UBI and demand to be taken care of

and bleeding heart libs will be more than willing to bring back the welfare programs on top of UBI

I think they'd have a tough time doing that. They just passed a 2 trillion dollar spending bill because of the virus. Assuming there will be no cuts to pay for it, that will put us 2 trillion more in the hole, which brings us to a 24 trillion dollar debt. Then we have to figure all the income taxes that will not be coming in from working people and businesses. So it's likely to be even more than that.

We simply won't have the money in the future for more social programs.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Multiple lawmakers have proposed economic stimulus packages and universal basic income programs as the coronavirus begins to take a larger toll on the American economy.

On Friday, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a 2020 presidential candidate, introduced a resolution that would provide an income of $1,000 a month to every American “until COVID-19 no longer presents a public health emergency.”

In an effort to stop the spread of the virus, the U.S. has imposed travel bans on several countries hardest-hit by the pandemic, and dozens of large events and conferences have been canceled or postponed.

Lawmakers call for universal basic income amid coronavirus crisis

As Democrats use this unfortunate situation to promote their political agenda, and attempt to create more government dependents, Universal Income is now being thrown out there. $1,000 a month to every American? Does that include children? How would handing every American a thousand bucks a month help with COVID 19?

I'm sure most people cannot quit their job or stay home from work getting $1,000 a month, so what exactly is this money, handed out by the federal government now 23 trillion dollars in debt, supposed to do for the people? Who declares when this public health emergency has ended?

I've talked about UI before, but only in light of replacing all social programs, which in the long run would save the government money. But to pass out money like candy at Halloween is just a ridiculous idea. But as the Democrats believe, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Those who have made it clear that they aren't interested in working and prefer mooching on the sides of streets, don't deserve dime one; the same holds true of the drug/alcohol addicts. Their deliberate disobedience of the laws should also negate them from any monetary reward, as they would only funnel it into their addiction. No illegal migrant should be given dime one. Let them return to their own nation and get money from their government.

I totally agree with the immigration. I don't think we should be supporting their kids either. If they can't take care of the kids, ship them to an orphanage instead of giving them goodies. They don't belong here in the first place.

On the path we're on, social programs will always be a problem for people, and the social programs will always win. They have all of our lives. UBI settles that problem once and for all. I've also worked with (and I'm sure most people here have) people who don't have the intelligence to ever make a good living. It's not their fault. None of us can help the way we were born. Oh, they work hard, but just don't have the intelligence to do anything but menial jobs that pay low wages. Because they are totally capable of working, they can't get any aid from the government, and will live in poverty their entire life through no fault of their own.

I just see UBI as solving so many problems. Will it create other problems? Perhaps, but nearly as many that it could solve.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

Price of goods rise to meet the availability of money.
Tuition rises when government gets involved because people can bow "afford" higher tuition

Healthcare cost rises because of government deep pockets.

If a "business" could only charge what people could actually afford (thru WORK), then that's what a product or service will cost.

Also, expenditures will always rise to meet income. That's basic human nature.

I don't think you gave very good examples. Yes, the price of healthcare is partly because of government, but only because their programs only pay providers around 2/3 of the charges for their patients. Care givers have to increase their prices to make up for those losses. There is a lot of government red tape in healthcare, that's costly as well.

College tuition is a situation of supply and demand. Back in the 70's when I was in high school, only a small percentage of those people actually went and graduated from college. Most people were gearing up for the blue collar world. But blue collar jobs don't pay what they used to, and to make a good living, you need to have a college degree. Therefore, a much higher percentage of high school graduates attend college. Less supply and higher demand dictates a dramatic increase in costs.

 

[Mac-7]

What is Gabberd’s position on illegal aliens?

I bet she opposes deporting illegal aliens or stopping them at the border before they get here

which is another reason that UBI is a pretty dumb idea

If we did have it, I don't think it would be extended to illegal aliens. In fact, it might work out better because they wouldn't be able to use their children to get on our social programs.

I usually agree with you Ray, but you are off base on this one. UBI is a bad idea no matter how you implement it is just more dependence on government and bigger government.

My idea would be to eventually replace all social programs with UBI. If we ran the numbers and found it would actually save our government money, then it should be looked at. As long as we have the problems we do today, the Democrats will keep pushing for more and more social programs.

The Democrats don't have the power to push through their new social program ideas, but that won't last forever. It might not last until next year, who knows? So if we had a strict policy of UBI with no more new social programs, it would solve a lot of problems for both Republicans and Democrats.

it would be too easy to abuse and cheat, and it would create more government, not less.

the concept seems good on the surface but the devil is always in the details.

I think our systems are getting ripped off a bunch now, like to the tune of tens of billions a year, and that's just Medicare and Medicaid alone. With over 88 federal social programs, not to mention local ones, we have thousands of federal workers dealing with all this nonsense, instead of just one like we would have for UBI. So I really think it would reduce government dramatically.

I'm not saying we should convert to the idea, but look into it more seriously with the bean counters.

None of the current welfare programs would go away

this new handout would just go on top of all the others

Agreed. That was Tulsi's plan. However I extrapolated that to replacing all our social programs, which is what I support looking into. I would never support UBI with the current social programs we have today. I feel that the current programs we have today discourage work, benefit only those who don't want to work, and create a dichotomy between the haves and have-nots.

liberals like tulsi do not intend to repeal and replace

they just want to add to what is already there

and they are the prime movers of UBI not you

besides as I keep pointing out irresponsible people will still waste the money from UBI and demand to be taken care of

and bleeding heart libs will be more than willing to bring back the welfare programs on top of UBI

I think they'd have a tough time doing that. They just passed a 2 trillion dollar spending bill because of the virus. Assuming there will be no cuts to pay for it, that will put us 2 trillion more in the hole, which brings us to a 24 trillion dollar debt. Then we have to figure all the income taxes that will not be coming in from working people and businesses. So it's likely to be even more than that.

We simply won't have the money in the future for more social programs.

As long as world investors will take our IOU‘s short-sighted lawmakers will continue deficit spending

 

[Mac-7]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

Price of goods rise to meet the availability of money.
Tuition rises when government gets involved because people can bow "afford" higher tuition

Healthcare cost rises because of government deep pockets.

If a "business" could only charge what people could actually afford (thru WORK), then that's what a product or service will cost.

Also, expenditures will always rise to meet income. That's basic human nature.

I don't think you gave very good examples. Yes, the price of healthcare is partly because of government, but only because their programs only pay providers around 2/3 of the charges for their patients. Care givers have to increase their prices to make up for those losses. There is a lot of government red tape in healthcare, that's costly as well.

College tuition is a situation of supply and demand. Back in the 70's when I was in high school, only a small percentage of those people actually went and graduated from college. Most people were gearing up for the blue collar world. But blue collar jobs don't pay what they used to, and to make a good living, you need to have a college degree. Therefore, a much higher percentage of high school graduates attend college. Less supply and higher demand dictates a dramatic increase in costs.

I disagree

Many blue collar jobs pay better than the bottom college degrees

there is more demand for skilled electricians than womens study graduates

 

[Redfish]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

Price of goods rise to meet the availability of money.
Tuition rises when government gets involved because people can bow "afford" higher tuition

Healthcare cost rises because of government deep pockets.

If a "business" could only charge what people could actually afford (thru WORK), then that's what a product or service will cost.

Also, expenditures will always rise to meet income. That's basic human nature.

I don't think you gave very good examples. Yes, the price of healthcare is partly because of government, but only because their programs only pay providers around 2/3 of the charges for their patients. Care givers have to increase their prices to make up for those losses. There is a lot of government red tape in healthcare, that's costly as well.

College tuition is a situation of supply and demand. Back in the 70's when I was in high school, only a small percentage of those people actually went and graduated from college. Most people were gearing up for the blue collar world. But blue collar jobs don't pay what they used to, and to make a good living, you need to have a college degree. Therefore, a much higher percentage of high school graduates attend college. Less supply and higher demand dictates a dramatic increase in costs.

I disagree

Many blue collar jobs pay better the bottom college degrees

there is more demand for skilled electricians than womens study graduates

correct, the hourly rate for plumbers is equal to lawyers, and plumbers actually do something for people.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

Price of goods rise to meet the availability of money.
Tuition rises when government gets involved because people can bow "afford" higher tuition

Healthcare cost rises because of government deep pockets.

If a "business" could only charge what people could actually afford (thru WORK), then that's what a product or service will cost.

Also, expenditures will always rise to meet income. That's basic human nature.

I don't think you gave very good examples. Yes, the price of healthcare is partly because of government, but only because their programs only pay providers around 2/3 of the charges for their patients. Care givers have to increase their prices to make up for those losses. There is a lot of government red tape in healthcare, that's costly as well.

College tuition is a situation of supply and demand. Back in the 70's when I was in high school, only a small percentage of those people actually went and graduated from college. Most people were gearing up for the blue collar world. But blue collar jobs don't pay what they used to, and to make a good living, you need to have a college degree. Therefore, a much higher percentage of high school graduates attend college. Less supply and higher demand dictates a dramatic increase in costs.

I disagree

Many blue collar jobs pay better the bottom college degrees

there is more demand for skilled electricians than womens study graduates

Not on the national average, no, they don't. People with degrees generally make more than those without. They also have a lower unemployment rate than the national average.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

Price of goods rise to meet the availability of money.
Tuition rises when government gets involved because people can bow "afford" higher tuition

Healthcare cost rises because of government deep pockets.

If a "business" could only charge what people could actually afford (thru WORK), then that's what a product or service will cost.

Also, expenditures will always rise to meet income. That's basic human nature.

I don't think you gave very good examples. Yes, the price of healthcare is partly because of government, but only because their programs only pay providers around 2/3 of the charges for their patients. Care givers have to increase their prices to make up for those losses. There is a lot of government red tape in healthcare, that's costly as well.

College tuition is a situation of supply and demand. Back in the 70's when I was in high school, only a small percentage of those people actually went and graduated from college. Most people were gearing up for the blue collar world. But blue collar jobs don't pay what they used to, and to make a good living, you need to have a college degree. Therefore, a much higher percentage of high school graduates attend college. Less supply and higher demand dictates a dramatic increase in costs.

I disagree

Many blue collar jobs pay better the bottom college degrees

there is more demand for skilled electricians than womens study graduates

correct, the hourly rate for plumbers is equal to lawyers, and plumbers actually do something for people.

Lawyers make upper double digits to millions a year, depending on the lawyer. A friend of mine and his siblings just won a lawsuit started by their father before he died. The settlement was 700K. The lawyer got 25% just for that one case.

 

[Mac-7]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

Price of goods rise to meet the availability of money.
Tuition rises when government gets involved because people can bow "afford" higher tuition

Healthcare cost rises because of government deep pockets.

If a "business" could only charge what people could actually afford (thru WORK), then that's what a product or service will cost.

Also, expenditures will always rise to meet income. That's basic human nature.

I don't think you gave very good examples. Yes, the price of healthcare is partly because of government, but only because their programs only pay providers around 2/3 of the charges for their patients. Care givers have to increase their prices to make up for those losses. There is a lot of government red tape in healthcare, that's costly as well.

College tuition is a situation of supply and demand. Back in the 70's when I was in high school, only a small percentage of those people actually went and graduated from college. Most people were gearing up for the blue collar world. But blue collar jobs don't pay what they used to, and to make a good living, you need to have a college degree. Therefore, a much higher percentage of high school graduates attend college. Less supply and higher demand dictates a dramatic increase in costs.

I disagree

Many blue collar jobs pay better the bottom college degrees

there is more demand for skilled electricians than womens study graduates

correct, the hourly rate for plumbers is equal to lawyers, and plumbers actually do something for people.

Lawyers make upper double digits to millions a year, depending on the lawyer. A friend of mine and his siblings just won a lawsuit started by their father before he died. The settlement was 700K. The lawyer got 25% just for that one case.

There are people with degrees that are working at Starbucks

Engineering graduates usually hit the ground running and are well paid

Among the bullshit degrees not so much

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

Price of goods rise to meet the availability of money.
Tuition rises when government gets involved because people can bow "afford" higher tuition

Healthcare cost rises because of government deep pockets.

If a "business" could only charge what people could actually afford (thru WORK), then that's what a product or service will cost.

Also, expenditures will always rise to meet income. That's basic human nature.

I don't think you gave very good examples. Yes, the price of healthcare is partly because of government, but only because their programs only pay providers around 2/3 of the charges for their patients. Care givers have to increase their prices to make up for those losses. There is a lot of government red tape in healthcare, that's costly as well.

College tuition is a situation of supply and demand. Back in the 70's when I was in high school, only a small percentage of those people actually went and graduated from college. Most people were gearing up for the blue collar world. But blue collar jobs don't pay what they used to, and to make a good living, you need to have a college degree. Therefore, a much higher percentage of high school graduates attend college. Less supply and higher demand dictates a dramatic increase in costs.

I disagree

Many blue collar jobs pay better the bottom college degrees

there is more demand for skilled electricians than womens study graduates

correct, the hourly rate for plumbers is equal to lawyers, and plumbers actually do something for people.

Lawyers make upper double digits to millions a year, depending on the lawyer. A friend of mine and his siblings just won a lawsuit started by their father before he died. The settlement was 700K. The lawyer got 25% just for that one case.

There are people with degrees that are working at Starbucks

Engineering graduates usually hit the ground running and are well paid

Among the bullshit degrees not so much

You will always find anomalies no matter what, but I'm speaking in general. I've met truck drivers that had degrees in things like graphics. They were only driving a truck because it paid better and were more openings. My niece is a college graduate. She's been waiting tables for the last ten years, and not because of the money either. She has a degree in biology.

 

[Redfish]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

Price of goods rise to meet the availability of money.
Tuition rises when government gets involved because people can bow "afford" higher tuition

Healthcare cost rises because of government deep pockets.

If a "business" could only charge what people could actually afford (thru WORK), then that's what a product or service will cost.

Also, expenditures will always rise to meet income. That's basic human nature.

I don't think you gave very good examples. Yes, the price of healthcare is partly because of government, but only because their programs only pay providers around 2/3 of the charges for their patients. Care givers have to increase their prices to make up for those losses. There is a lot of government red tape in healthcare, that's costly as well.

College tuition is a situation of supply and demand. Back in the 70's when I was in high school, only a small percentage of those people actually went and graduated from college. Most people were gearing up for the blue collar world. But blue collar jobs don't pay what they used to, and to make a good living, you need to have a college degree. Therefore, a much higher percentage of high school graduates attend college. Less supply and higher demand dictates a dramatic increase in costs.

I disagree

Many blue collar jobs pay better the bottom college degrees

there is more demand for skilled electricians than womens study graduates

correct, the hourly rate for plumbers is equal to lawyers, and plumbers actually do something for people.

Lawyers make upper double digits to millions a year, depending on the lawyer. A friend of mine and his siblings just won a lawsuit started by their father before he died. The settlement was 700K. The lawyer got 25% just for that one case.

yes, lawyers rip off the system on contingency cases. I was speaking about their billable rate for routine legal work like mortgage closings, bankruptcy filings etc. Here is Louisiana we have some of the highest car insurance rates in the nation because we have a bunch of ambulance chasing lawyers constantly filing liability cases and taking 30-50% of the settlements.

in case you missed it, I have a very strong dislike of lawyers.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Pretty sure he hasn't forgotten, since that's the reason he opposes your crazy-ass schemes to put him farther into debt via government spending.

Haha, and now you are all for it, because Trump asslicking. Good stuff.

Haha, you can't tell the difference between emergencies and your own desire to leech off of people.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If everyone is guaranteed the same income whether they work or not and whether they are a brain surgeon or a trash collector, why would anyone work?

I don't think it could replace an income unless you work at Walmart stocking shelves. But I always found it an interesting concept if we removed all social programs and replaced it with UI. It would solve so many problems in this country, and this coming from a conservative.

Prices, and expenses, will rise to meet the additional "free money."

I don't know about that. Why would expenses rise? My concept is that instead of giving money exclusively to one group of people, give it equally to all.

Price of goods rise to meet the availability of money.
Tuition rises when government gets involved because people can bow "afford" higher tuition

Healthcare cost rises because of government deep pockets.

If a "business" could only charge what people could actually afford (thru WORK), then that's what a product or service will cost.

Also, expenditures will always rise to meet income. That's basic human nature.

I don't think you gave very good examples. Yes, the price of healthcare is partly because of government, but only because their programs only pay providers around 2/3 of the charges for their patients. Care givers have to increase their prices to make up for those losses. There is a lot of government red tape in healthcare, that's costly as well.

College tuition is a situation of supply and demand. Back in the 70's when I was in high school, only a small percentage of those people actually went and graduated from college. Most people were gearing up for the blue collar world. But blue collar jobs don't pay what they used to, and to make a good living, you need to have a college degree. Therefore, a much higher percentage of high school graduates attend college. Less supply and higher demand dictates a dramatic increase in costs.

I disagree

Many blue collar jobs pay better the bottom college degrees

there is more demand for skilled electricians than womens study graduates

correct, the hourly rate for plumbers is equal to lawyers, and plumbers actually do something for people.

Lawyers make upper double digits to millions a year, depending on the lawyer. A friend of mine and his siblings just won a lawsuit started by their father before he died. The settlement was 700K. The lawyer got 25% just for that one case.

There are people with degrees that are working at Starbucks

Engineering graduates usually hit the ground running and are well paid

Among the bullshit degrees not so much

You will always find anomalies no matter what, but I'm speaking in general. I've met truck drivers that had degrees in things like graphics. They were only driving a truck because it paid better and were more openings. My niece is a college graduate. She's been waiting tables for the last ten years, and not because of the money either. She has a degree in biology.

When I worked at the Post Office way back when, half my co-workers had college degrees. Some of them had Master's degrees. But government pay, benefits, and job security, y'know?