Zone1 truth about Elohim
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Are the Archons the ones that created the Elohim? Or are they one and the same?
Elohim is another term for the Anunnaki.
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The Anunnaki (Cuneiform: 𒀭𒀀𒉣𒈾, also transcribed as Anunaki, Annunaki, Anunna, Ananaki and other variations) are a group of deities of the ancient Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians and Babylonians.[1] In the earliest Sumerian writings about them, which come from the Post-Akkadian period, the Anunnaki are deities in the pantheon, descendants of An and Ki, the god of the heavens and the goddess of earth, and their primary function was to decree the fates of humanity.
Akkadian cylinder seal impression depicting a vegetation goddess, possibly Ninhursag, sitting on a throne surrounded by worshippers (c. 2350–2150 BC)
The name Anunnaki is derived from An,[2] the Sumerian god of the sky.[2] The name is variously written "da-nuna", "da-nuna-ke4-ne", or "da-nun-na", meaning "princely offspring" or "offspring of An".[1]
The Anunnaki were believed to be the offspring of An and his consort, the earth goddess Ki.[1] Samuel Noah Kramer identifies Ki with the Sumerian mother goddess Ninhursag, stating that they were originally the same figure.[3][4] The oldest of the Anunnaki was Enlil, the god of air[5] and chief god of the Sumerian pantheon.[6] The Sumerians believed that, until Enlil was born, heaven and earth were inseparable.[7] Then, Enlil cleft heaven and earth in two[7] and carried away the earth[8] while his father An carried away the sky.[8]
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Note that Sumer and the "Anunnaki" predate Abraham and his pact with YHWH which starts the Jewish people/culture/religion. Abraham (Abram) was of Sumerian origins BTW.
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The Anunnaki (Cuneiform: 𒀭𒀀𒉣𒈾, also transcribed as Anunaki, Annunaki, Anunna, Ananaki and other variations) are a group of deities of the ancient Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians and Babylonians.[1] In the earliest Sumerian writings about them, which come from the Post-Akkadian period, the Anunnaki are deities in the pantheon, descendants of An and Ki, the god of the heavens and the goddess of earth, and their primary function was to decree the fates of humanity.
Etymology
Akkadian cylinder seal impression depicting a vegetation goddess, possibly Ninhursag, sitting on a throne surrounded by worshippers (c. 2350–2150 BC)
The name Anunnaki is derived from An,[2] the Sumerian god of the sky.[2] The name is variously written "da-nuna", "da-nuna-ke4-ne", or "da-nun-na", meaning "princely offspring" or "offspring of An".[1]
The Anunnaki were believed to be the offspring of An and his consort, the earth goddess Ki.[1] Samuel Noah Kramer identifies Ki with the Sumerian mother goddess Ninhursag, stating that they were originally the same figure.[3][4] The oldest of the Anunnaki was Enlil, the god of air[5] and chief god of the Sumerian pantheon.[6] The Sumerians believed that, until Enlil was born, heaven and earth were inseparable.[7] Then, Enlil cleft heaven and earth in two[7] and carried away the earth[8] while his father An carried away the sky.[8]
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Anunnaki - Wikipedia
The Anunnaki: Ancient Gods or Powerful Manipulators? | Gaia
The Annunaki | Ancient Sumerians Role In Modern Humanity
~~~~~~~~~~~~Note that Sumer and the "Anunnaki" predate Abraham and his pact with YHWH which starts the Jewish people/culture/religion. Abraham (Abram) was of Sumerian origins BTW.
Elohim is plural like a pantheon of gods.
Who Are the Elohim? The Answer Might Rattle Your Theology
Who are the Elohim? Is it God? Multiple gods? Read Dr. Michael Heiser’s explanation of the origin of the Elohim from The Unseen Realm.
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Elohim was from the Canaanite Pantheon.. see Ugarit. Much older than the Jews.
Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia
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plural only when used for the false trinity gods served back in the OT days.Elohim is plural like a pantheon of gods.
Who Are the Elohim? The Answer Might Rattle Your Theology
Who are the Elohim? Is it God? Multiple gods? Read Dr. Michael Heiser’s explanation of the origin of the Elohim from The Unseen Realm.
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Elohim was from the Canaanite Pantheon.. see Ugarit. Much older than the Jews.
Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia
If you believe that then you believe Elohim is a false god. More likely the Hebrews termed that phrase about the false gods served by Canaan.
The Hebrews were landless Canaanites. Abraham came from Urfa near Haran.
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Elohim is plural like a pantheon of gods.
Who Are the Elohim? The Answer Might Rattle Your Theology
Who are the Elohim? Is it God? Multiple gods? Read Dr. Michael Heiser’s explanation of the origin of the Elohim from The Unseen Realm.
Only plural for false Gods-The Abrahamic God-YHWH is a single being God. The trinities serve Elohim.
Again. Why do you strain on a gnat and then attempt to swallow a camel? The God of creation is not known by the mistranlated vowel sounds of the German Language....i.e., JEHOVAH. God is the great I AM the THE ETERNALLY EXISTING MASTER of everything.....or more common LORD GOD. When the word Lord or God is used..........everyone comprehends just WHO is being addressed. ".........for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."
The truth about the name "Jehovah": The name was not commonly used until the King James Translation came into being........in simple terms its simply a mistranlation of the Hebrew Word "YHWH" when translated into Greek means "LORD". When the Old Testament Hebrew Bible is translated into the Greek Language YHWH becomes "KURIOUS"......tanslated further, it means LORD or MASTER.......written in ALL CAPS...i.e., to indicate the name LORD comes from the Hebrew word YHWH.
As you have pointed out..........in the Old Testament there were several names given for God, but the names are not a proper name, the names recorded in the Old Testament history identified the Characteristics of God. Example: You find the word "Elohim" used over 3800 times in scripture to describe God............Elohim is a "plural" noun used to denote a "singular" form....such as Herd, or Tribe or Flock. When translated into Greek the term is Theos. God identified Himself to Abraham as "Almighty God". (Gen. 17:1).
It was a common practice of the Hebrew language to use other descriptors along with God or ELOHIM. Examples: Eternal God (Deut. 33:17). Living God (Josh 3:10).
Then we find the word "Yahweh" or "Lord" introduced for the 1st time to describe God. (Ex. 6:3).........this word that describes God is found over 6800 times in the Old Testament alone. The generally accepted meaning when translated into Greek is descriptive as "HE IS"......"ETERNAL"
Truth: Any one name is simply not adequate to describe the infinite being known as God
Just how did God's Name become "Jehovah" in the New Testament? The Israelites were concerned that God's name would be taken in vain. By the year 300 B.C. it was a Jewish tradition not to even pronounce God's name. Instead when God's name was required in the Bible the term "LORD" was used.........which is, as mentioned earlier a descriptuve term instead of a proper name......meaning HE IS MASTER...ETERNAL.
This Jewish tradition was picked up those who translated the Hebrew Bible in the "Septuagint" translation.
Jump ahead to the 6th century...........Hebrew was no longer comprehended by the vast majority of the population, it was a dying language being replaced by the Greek language that had become a universal languge around the time of the 1st century.........those in the Jewish communties who still had not accepted Christianity, were afraid that God's name would be mispronounced, thus taking the name of the Lord in vain.......since the Hebrew language consisted only of Consonants (no vowels) when written.......it concerned the Jewish leaders when translating it into Greek.
Jumping further ahead.......when the Bible was being translated into the English Lanague, THE GERMAN SYSTEM was used (which was a common practice in early English). What do you find in the German system? "J's" sound like "Y's" and "V's" sound like "W's".
The early translators did not know about the "vowel shifts" so they picked up the wrong vowels when translating. YHWH..GOD, became J which sounds like Y........and W which sounds like V.........YHWH became "Jehovah".
The King Jamnes Translation did not consistently use the word "Jehovah".......its used but "8" times in the Bible. However when you read from the "ASV" translation the term Jehovah is used 5,318 times in the Bible. The ASV or American Standard wanted more consistency in its translation.
Fact: it was not until the mid 1900s that people learned the correct way to pronounce YHWH in the orginal Hebrew language.
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Abraham's father made idols. Remember? The Hebrews were a tribe of Canaanites from Syria.
Ugarit | Syria, Map, History, & Tablets | Britannica
Ugarit, ancient city lying in a large artificial mound called Ras Shamra, 6 miles (10 km) north of Latakia on the Mediterranean coast of northern Syria. Its golden age occurred about 1450 to 1200 BCE and produced texts in a cuneiform alphabetic script. Excavation of its ruins began in 1929.
www.britannica.com
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Abraham came from Urfa near Haran. He was a Canaanite.Elohim is another term for the Anunnaki.
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The Anunnaki (Cuneiform: 𒀭𒀀𒉣𒈾, also transcribed as Anunaki, Annunaki, Anunna, Ananaki and other variations) are a group of deities of the ancient Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians and Babylonians.[1] In the earliest Sumerian writings about them, which come from the Post-Akkadian period, the Anunnaki are deities in the pantheon, descendants of An and Ki, the god of the heavens and the goddess of earth, and their primary function was to decree the fates of humanity.
Etymology
Akkadian cylinder seal impression depicting a vegetation goddess, possibly Ninhursag, sitting on a throne surrounded by worshippers (c. 2350–2150 BC)
The name Anunnaki is derived from An,[2] the Sumerian god of the sky.[2] The name is variously written "da-nuna", "da-nuna-ke4-ne", or "da-nun-na", meaning "princely offspring" or "offspring of An".[1]
The Anunnaki were believed to be the offspring of An and his consort, the earth goddess Ki.[1] Samuel Noah Kramer identifies Ki with the Sumerian mother goddess Ninhursag, stating that they were originally the same figure.[3][4] The oldest of the Anunnaki was Enlil, the god of air[5] and chief god of the Sumerian pantheon.[6] The Sumerians believed that, until Enlil was born, heaven and earth were inseparable.[7] Then, Enlil cleft heaven and earth in two[7] and carried away the earth[8] while his father An carried away the sky.[8]
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~~~~~~~~~~~Anunnaki - Wikipedia
The Anunnaki: Ancient Gods or Powerful Manipulators? | Gaia
The Annunaki | Ancient Sumerians Role In Modern Humanity
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Note that Sumer and the "Anunnaki" predate Abraham and his pact with YHWH which starts the Jewish people/culture/religion. Abraham (Abram) was of Sumerian origins BTW.
Ugarit | Syria, Map, History, & Tablets | Britannica
Ugarit, ancient city lying in a large artificial mound called Ras Shamra, 6 miles (10 km) north of Latakia on the Mediterranean coast of northern Syria. Its golden age occurred about 1450 to 1200 BCE and produced texts in a cuneiform alphabetic script. Excavation of its ruins began in 1929.
www.britannica.com
Abraham came from Urfa near Haran. He was a Canaanite.
Ugarit | Syria, Map, History, & Tablets | Britannica
Ugarit, ancient city lying in a large artificial mound called Ras Shamra, 6 miles (10 km) north of Latakia on the Mediterranean coast of northern Syria. Its golden age occurred about 1450 to 1200 BCE and produced texts in a cuneiform alphabetic script. Excavation of its ruins began in 1929.
Again........someone attempting to choke on a gnat while attempting to swallow a camel. Its "moot".....the nationality of father Abraham, God has no respect of person. What? Are you attempting to promote an ideology (in place of simple truth) that might favor the false doctrine found in the Koran?
There was no nation of Israel nor a covenant known as the "LAW"........in Abraham's lifetime. Everyone was "Gentile" because the term simply means NATION and Israel used the term to indicate all nations other than Biblical Israel (which did not come into existence until 600 years after Abraham was first circumcised in making this practice a seal of righteouness toward the living God). Its all about faith, respect and righteous servitude toward the Living God of Creation.
"Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. How then was it accounted? While he was he was circumcised, or uncircumcised?
Not while he was circumcised but while uncircumcised. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, THAT HE MIGHT BE THE FATHER OF ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE THOUGH THEY ARE UNCIRCUMCISED, that righteousness might be imputed unto them also........(all those who believe, not for any one nationality) -- Romans 4:9-11
As stated previously the word "gentile" means nation and "Israelite" refers to the people of Biblical Israel. Its clear the people of Biblical Israel saw Abraham as their founding father. "Abraham is our father.....Jesus said to them......." -- John 8:39
This belief that Abrahm was the father of the Jews (Israel) stims from the promises made to Abraham by God....which were passed down to Issac, and then to Jacob who was also known as "ISRAEL". But the "LAW" .....a covenant between God and Israel did not come into effect for hundreds of years (about 600 yrs. after Abraham).......when Moses brought the people out of captivity.
The nation of Israel divided under "Rehoboam" (the first ruler). The 10 northern tribes remained known as Israel.....while the southern kingdom became known as "Judah".........by the time of the "captivity" the people were simply known as JEWS (1 Kings 25:25, Ezra 4:12)
Even though all the Israelites were released from captivity by the "Medo-Persians" the name Jews stuck with all the people, and thus all Israel were known as Jews in Jesus' lifetime.
Its true that Abraham was not an "Israelite" because that came through his grandson.........He definitely was not a Jew because that name came through his great grandson. Abraham did enter into a covenant with the God of Creation (known as the Abrahamic covenant).........that covenant eventually lead to the founding of Biblical Israel and the Jewish nation.
The entire point? Why reference Paul? There was not a greater knowledge of the history of the Jewish people than was held by the scholar Saul......what Paul is proving is the fact that Circumcism does not have to be of the flesh in order to find God's righteousness, there is a circumcision of the heart (holding true of the Spiritual Kingdom that Christ Created with His birth, life, death and resurrection). The righteous laws of God must be written on the heart of the believer not on stone as prophesied (Jer. 31:31-34)
Those who attempt to use linage to cause a division among those that have been called out from the world have their own reward, there is no one great nation, for today there is neither Jew nor Gentile, all are one when baptized into Christ and joint heirs to the promise made to father Abraham (Gal. 3:28-29)
Lineage mean nothing to God. ".........and do not think to say to yourself, "We have Abrahman as our father." For I say to you that God is able, from these stones, to raise up sons of Abraham." -- Matthew 3:9
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Has nothing to do with the Koran or Islam. There were no Chaldeans or Ur of the Chaldees in the time of Abraham.
I have said nothing about lineage. Many of the old testament stories are originally from the Ugarit at Ras Shamra. They are older than Abraham.
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She creates her own scriptural meanings, see my signature, she actually called the requirements for salvation "epic myths".
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