Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[bripat9643]

I guess the answer for that would be because Trumps Dept of Homeland security has released their report that the overwhelming number of illegal immigrants come from overstaying visa's and through ports of entry. So rather than hype up a couple thousand in a caravan, why not stop ignoring the hundreds of thousands entering through other means.

Terrorists overwhelmingly are entering the US through the legal border crossing, as do drugs according to the Trump administration.

Then in the US we have companies that routinely hire illegal immigrants with no penalty. We literally have private companies intentionally weakening our borders by providing a reward for illegal immigrants who get into the country. They have been involved in this push to reward and at times even help illegal immigrants enter the US. If this is a National Emergency, that those businesses are actively opposing that for decades, what kind of traitors does that make them to the USA? If we say that someone selling drugs from Mexico in the US is bad, why don't we hold them in the same light? Well a big reason why is a lot of them are the Republican base. Farmers. Mar-a-lago. Trump Tower. Heck, models have reported that Trump Modeling when assisting in the trafficking of those humans into the US, told them to lie to immigration officials about the purpose of their visits on their visa's so they could illegally work in the USA. So maybe that explains why he'd want a wall knowing most illegal immigrants don't come in that way. Gotta keep his businesses running somehow.

Some people read the 2018 DEA report on drug smuggling which says "The majority of the flow is through POVs entering the United States at legal ports of entry, followed by tractor-trailers."

They see that report that "Fentanyl is transported into the United States in parcel packages directly from China or from China through Canada".

That "Traffickers hide cocaine amongst legitimate cargo of commercial trucks or within secret compartments built within passenger vehicles. Traffickers are also increasingly targeting seaports along the East Coast of the United States as law enforcement efforts have increased along the SWB"

That "Traffickers employ various methods and techniques in the concealment of methamphetamine, such as human couriers at ports of entry, commercial flights, parcel services, and commercial buses."

That "Large quantities of foreign-produced marijuana are smuggled into the United States via personally owned vehicles, commercial vehicles, buses, rail systems, subterranean tunnels, small boats, unmanned aerial vehicles/drones, and catapults..."

That "As these liquid spice substances are widely available in China and other Asian and European countries, most U.S.-based traffickers can purchase the drugs already synthesized and have them shipped through mail carriers to perform final processing and packaging"

So when you look at the DEA and DHS and other groups our issues are with

1. Land ports of entry at southern border.
2. Shipping ports on our coastlines.
3. Mail service entry into the US.
4. Boats, drones, catapults and tunnels.
Then maybe comes things a wall will have any effect on.

It's like a guy who wants to get his car running as well and quickly as he can for an emergency, and he has 4 flat tires, a blown engine, no transmission, and his ECU is fried, and he's using his emergency money to replace the stereo. And somehow people choose to be idiots and say that's the way to do it.

Great post. Republicans here will just blow off what you said because it was more than 3 words and they’ll come back with Sanctuary Cities!

We blow it off because he can't post a single sentence that is actually true. He takes after you in that regard.

If we were a couple I'd ask for a divorce siting irreconcilable differences. LOL

Oh Boo Hoo! Did you actually believe you could persuade me to accept your dishonest douchebag point of view?

Here's what I want to do with your wall

Feel free.

 

[bripat9643]

gibberish.

What part confused you the most?

Maybe his google translate broke and he can't convert it into cyrillic? lol. Seemed like something a 3rd grader could read. But learning a second language is tough.

It’s amazing how similar Republicans today are to liberals in 2006. Remember back then when we were complaining about illegal employers Republicans who are programmed to argue with us no matter what were saying they were just here doing jobs Americans wouldn’t do. Or do you want to pay more to have your grass cut they asked. I have forgotten their flip flop.

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of the GOP's potent Republican Party frames. The reality is that we don't have an "Illegal Immigration" problem in America. We have an "Illegal Employer" problem.

Yet it's almost never mentioned in the mainstream media, because to point it out could slightly reduce the profits and CEO salaries of many of America's largest multi-state and multinational corporations - who both own the media and contribute heavily to conservative politicians. Republicans would prefer that the "criminals" covered in the press are working people, and that corporate and CEO criminals not get discussed.

Democrats where saying that, shit for brains. There may have been some douchebag establishment RINO Republicans saying it, but the rank and file have always supported sanctions on employers who hire illegals. It's already against the law for them to hire illegals. However, the Democrat politicians refuse to enforce the law.

No you god damn fool. If you read what I posted this was a plot.

You don't seem to mind admitting there is a deep state RINO problem in America when any Republican speaks out against Trump but now talking to me you can't seem to admit you have a RINO deep state corporate sellout problem where they and the corporations who lobby them loved the illegals coming and they did it to break unions and increase profits.

You aren't worth arguing with. You never see even a smidgen of the other sides point. You're a shit head. Complete and utter shit head.

True, corporations love illegals. Your belief that they're all Republicans, however, is fallacious. Although there are plenty that are. Douchebag establishment Republican politicians are happy to do the bidding of these corporations. However Republican voters are opposed to illegal immigration. No excuses. We have to fight the traitors in our own party along with the entire Dim establishment.

 

[Slyhunter]

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

1. Yes people do want them here. We have the rich needing them to build and work at their resorts like Donald Trump. So much so that they won't even use E-verify to see if they are legal or not. We have farmers all through the midwest needing them for their fields.

Not the people who voted for Trump.

 

[Slyhunter]

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

The wall isn't going to stop illegal immigrant because illegal immigrants are not coming across the southern border, the flying in through your airports, and arriving LEGALLY and then overstaying their visas.

the ones flying in and overstaying have money so I don't give a **** about them. It's those who sneak across the border and pop out an anchor baby so they can get welfare and go to school on state grants that I care about.

 

[Slyhunter]

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

put employers in jail and their jobs disappear. stupid to do that we want more jobs not less.

 

[Slyhunter]

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

gibberish.

What part confused you the most?

Maybe his google translate broke and he can't convert it into cyrillic? lol. Seemed like something a 3rd grader could read. But learning a second language is tough.

It's weird when I start posting all this knowledge Republicans usually stop replying back.

I'm reading this article I posted and there is so much great information about how things were in the 2000's when Republicans were defending illegals. And today they are claiming we are defending illegals just because we don't want to build a wall. Bush wanted a wall/fence too back then. It was a stupid idea then and it's a stupid idea now. It won't work. But that's all Republicans will talk about because they don't want to do what works.

Here is more interesting shit I found in that article.

Encouraging a rapid increase in the workforce by encouraging companies to hire non-citizens is one of the three most potent tools conservatives since Ronald Reagan have used to convert the American middle class into the American working poor. (The other two are destroying the governmental protections that keep labor unions viable, and ending tariffs while promoting trade deals like NAFTA/WTO/GATT that export manufacturing jobs.)

When labor markets are tight, wages go up. When labor markets are awash in workers willing to work at the bottom of the pay scale, unskilled and semi-skilled wages overall will decrease and when the cost of labor goes down, the result usually isn't a decrease in prices, but, instead, an increase in corporate and CEO profits. This is because the marketplace sets prices, but the cost of labor helps set profits. For example, when Nike began manufacturing shoes in Third World countries with labor costs below US labor costs, it didn't lead to $15 Nikes - their price held, and even increased, because the market would bear it. Instead, that reduction in labor costs led to Nike CEO Phil Knight becoming a multi-billionaire.)

We didn't elect Trump because he's a Republican.

 

[bripat9643]

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

The wall isn't going to stop illegal immigrant because illegal immigrants are not coming across the southern border, the flying in through your airports, and arriving LEGALLY and then overstaying their visas.

the ones flying in and overstaying have money so I don't give a **** about them. It's those who sneak across the border and pop out an anchor baby so they can get welfare and go to school on state grants that I care about.

I want all of them to go back where the came from, and then I want legal immigration reduced to zero.

 

[SandSquid]

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

gibberish.

What part confused you the most?

Maybe his google translate broke and he can't convert it into cyrillic? lol. Seemed like something a 3rd grader could read. But learning a second language is tough.

It's weird when I start posting all this knowledge Republicans usually stop replying back.

I'm reading this article I posted and there is so much great information about how things were in the 2000's when Republicans were defending illegals. And today they are claiming we are defending illegals just because we don't want to build a wall. Bush wanted a wall/fence too back then. It was a stupid idea then and it's a stupid idea now. It won't work. But that's all Republicans will talk about because they don't want to do what works.

Here is more interesting shit I found in that article.

Encouraging a rapid increase in the workforce by encouraging companies to hire non-citizens is one of the three most potent tools conservatives since Ronald Reagan have used to convert the American middle class into the American working poor. (The other two are destroying the governmental protections that keep labor unions viable, and ending tariffs while promoting trade deals like NAFTA/WTO/GATT that export manufacturing jobs.)

When labor markets are tight, wages go up. When labor markets are awash in workers willing to work at the bottom of the pay scale, unskilled and semi-skilled wages overall will decrease and when the cost of labor goes down, the result usually isn't a decrease in prices, but, instead, an increase in corporate and CEO profits. This is because the marketplace sets prices, but the cost of labor helps set profits. For example, when Nike began manufacturing shoes in Third World countries with labor costs below US labor costs, it didn't lead to $15 Nikes - their price held, and even increased, because the market would bear it. Instead, that reduction in labor costs led to Nike CEO Phil Knight becoming a multi-billionaire.)

We didn't elect Trump because he's a Republican.

Yes, it was because he promised he would repeal Obamacare and make mexico pay for the wall. Whoops.

 

[danielpalos]

What part confused you the most?

Maybe his google translate broke and he can't convert it into cyrillic? lol. Seemed like something a 3rd grader could read. But learning a second language is tough.

It’s amazing how similar Republicans today are to liberals in 2006. Remember back then when we were complaining about illegal employers Republicans who are programmed to argue with us no matter what were saying they were just here doing jobs Americans wouldn’t do. Or do you want to pay more to have your grass cut they asked. I have forgotten their flip flop.

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of the GOP's potent Republican Party frames. The reality is that we don't have an "Illegal Immigration" problem in America. We have an "Illegal Employer" problem.

Yet it's almost never mentioned in the mainstream media, because to point it out could slightly reduce the profits and CEO salaries of many of America's largest multi-state and multinational corporations - who both own the media and contribute heavily to conservative politicians. Republicans would prefer that the "criminals" covered in the press are working people, and that corporate and CEO criminals not get discussed.

Democrats where saying that, shit for brains. There may have been some douchebag establishment RINO Republicans saying it, but the rank and file have always supported sanctions on employers who hire illegals. It's already against the law for them to hire illegals. However, the Democrat politicians refuse to enforce the law.

No you god damn fool. If you read what I posted this was a plot.

You don't seem to mind admitting there is a deep state RINO problem in America when any Republican speaks out against Trump but now talking to me you can't seem to admit you have a RINO deep state corporate sellout problem where they and the corporations who lobby them loved the illegals coming and they did it to break unions and increase profits.

You aren't worth arguing with. You never see even a smidgen of the other sides point. You're a shit head. Complete and utter shit head.

True, corporations love illegals. Your belief that they're all Republicans, however, is fallacious. Although there are plenty that are. Douchebag establishment Republican politicians are happy to do the bidding of these corporations. However Republican voters are opposed to illegal immigration. No excuses. We have to fight the traitors in our own party along with the entire Dim establishment.

tax cut economics, price cut economics; the right wing enjoys appealing to fallacies of false Cause.

 

[SandSquid]

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

The wall isn't going to stop illegal immigrant because illegal immigrants are not coming across the southern border, the flying in through your airports, and arriving LEGALLY and then overstaying their visas.

the ones flying in and overstaying have money so I don't give a **** about them. It's those who sneak across the border and pop out an anchor baby so they can get welfare and go to school on state grants that I care about.

I want all of them to go back where the came from, and then I want legal immigration reduced to zero.

So what you are saying is throw those owners and CEO's in prison that have spent decades skirting the legal frameworks for working in the US and allowing illegal immigrants a reason to flood into this country. That people like Trump who have caused this emergency need locked up?

Interesting position. I mean he is the President who has the most illegal immigrants working for him over the years right? They even made his bed. Heck his golf club actually hid illegals they had working off the work roster from the secret service. Ouch.

 

[sealybobo]

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

put employers in jail and their jobs disappear. stupid to do that we want more jobs not less.

Other Americans will pick up the slack and they won’t dare hire illegals.

You keep making excuses to protect illegal employers.

 

[sealybobo]

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

The wall isn't going to stop illegal immigrant because illegal immigrants are not coming across the southern border, the flying in through your airports, and arriving LEGALLY and then overstaying their visas.

the ones flying in and overstaying have money so I don't give a **** about them. It's those who sneak across the border and pop out an anchor baby so they can get welfare and go to school on state grants that I care about.

I want all of them to go back where the came from, and then I want legal immigration reduced to zero.

So what you are saying is throw those owners and CEO's in prison that have spent decades skirting the legal frameworks for working in the US and allowing illegal immigrants a reason to flood into this country. That people like Trump who have caused this emergency need locked up?

Interesting position. I mean he is the President who has the most illegal immigrants working for him over the years right? They even made his bed. Heck his golf club actually hid illegals they had working off the work roster from the secret service. Ouch.

Trump is a sanctuary corporation

 

[P@triot]

Build the damn wall...

Non-Citizens Committed a Disproportionate Share of Federal Crimes, 2011-16

 

[Rigby5]

Build the damn wall...

Non-Citizens Committed a Disproportionate Share of Federal Crimes, 2011-16

That is not nearly a reliable site.
Nor does it fit at all with information at all other sites.
And most federal prosecutions are over things like the War on Drugs, which of course would be heavily weighted towards illegal immigrants. Drug smugglers often are illegal immigrants, but it is the war on drugs that is wrong and should be stopped instead of worrying about illegal immigration.

The reality is that illegal immigrants are generally here because of desperation poverty, and the last thing they would risk is being caught and sent back over a criminal action. Their crime rate is almost half the average for citizens.

 

[Rigby5]

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

put employers in jail and their jobs disappear. stupid to do that we want more jobs not less.

Other Americans will pick up the slack and they won’t dare hire illegals.

You keep making excuses to protect illegal employers.

There is no authority in the Constitution to impose penalties on those who hire anyone they want.
Putting the burden of identifying citizenship on employers is illegal.

 

[Norman]

Build the damn wall...

Non-Citizens Committed a Disproportionate Share of Federal Crimes, 2011-16

That is not nearly a reliable site.
Nor does it fit at all with information at all other sites.
And most federal prosecutions are over things like the War on Drugs, which of course would be heavily weighted towards illegal immigrants. Drug smugglers often are illegal immigrants, but it is the war on drugs that is wrong and should be stopped instead of worrying about illegal immigration.

The reality is that illegal immigrants are generally here because of desperation poverty, and the last thing they would risk is being caught and sent back over a criminal action. Their crime rate is almost half the average for citizens.

It does sound like the drug problem is very bad indeed. Just look at this post, this is your brain on some serious acid.

Of course illegal immigration should be worried about, and stopped as should legal immigration.

 

[IM2]

Build the damn wall...

Non-Citizens Committed a Disproportionate Share of Federal Crimes, 2011-16

That is not nearly a reliable site.
Nor does it fit at all with information at all other sites.
And most federal prosecutions are over things like the War on Drugs, which of course would be heavily weighted towards illegal immigrants. Drug smugglers often are illegal immigrants, but it is the war on drugs that is wrong and should be stopped instead of worrying about illegal immigration.

The reality is that illegal immigrants are generally here because of desperation poverty, and the last thing they would risk is being caught and sent back over a criminal action. Their crime rate is almost half the average for citizens.

It does sound like the drug problem is very bad indeed. Just look at this post, this is your brain on some serious acid.

Of course illegal immigration should be worried about, and stopped as should legal immigration.

Do we send back the immigrant owned small businesses and corporations? How about foreign money that immigrates into the stock market?

 

[Norman]

Build the damn wall...

Non-Citizens Committed a Disproportionate Share of Federal Crimes, 2011-16

That is not nearly a reliable site.
Nor does it fit at all with information at all other sites.
And most federal prosecutions are over things like the War on Drugs, which of course would be heavily weighted towards illegal immigrants. Drug smugglers often are illegal immigrants, but it is the war on drugs that is wrong and should be stopped instead of worrying about illegal immigration.

The reality is that illegal immigrants are generally here because of desperation poverty, and the last thing they would risk is being caught and sent back over a criminal action. Their crime rate is almost half the average for citizens.

It does sound like the drug problem is very bad indeed. Just look at this post, this is your brain on some serious acid.

Of course illegal immigration should be worried about, and stopped as should legal immigration.

Do we send back the immigrant owned small businesses and corporations? How about foreign money that immigrates into the stock market?

Money doesn't immigrate, it's invested. I know you have about three brain cells but try to keep up.

I was talking about stop bringing in more. Sad that you couldn't keep up.

 

[IM2]

Build the damn wall...

Non-Citizens Committed a Disproportionate Share of Federal Crimes, 2011-16

That is not nearly a reliable site.
Nor does it fit at all with information at all other sites.
And most federal prosecutions are over things like the War on Drugs, which of course would be heavily weighted towards illegal immigrants. Drug smugglers often are illegal immigrants, but it is the war on drugs that is wrong and should be stopped instead of worrying about illegal immigration.

The reality is that illegal immigrants are generally here because of desperation poverty, and the last thing they would risk is being caught and sent back over a criminal action. Their crime rate is almost half the average for citizens.

It does sound like the drug problem is very bad indeed. Just look at this post, this is your brain on some serious acid.

Of course illegal immigration should be worried about, and stopped as should legal immigration.

Do we send back the immigrant owned small businesses and corporations? How about foreign money that immigrates into the stock market?

Money doesn't immigrate, it's invested. I know you have about three brain cells but try to keep up.

I was talking about stop bringing in more. Sad that you couldn't keep up.

You are truly dumb.

How about foreign money that immigrates into the stock market?

 

[sealybobo]

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

put employers in jail and their jobs disappear. stupid to do that we want more jobs not less.

Other Americans will pick up the slack and they won’t dare hire illegals.

You keep making excuses to protect illegal employers.

There is no authority in the Constitution to impose penalties on those who hire anyone they want.
Putting the burden of identifying citizenship on employers is illegal.

This is utter right wing bullshit. You're saying we shouldn't have any laws in regards to hiring illegals?

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Yet it's almost never mentioned in the so called corporate media, because to point it out could slightly reduce the profits and CEO salaries of many of America's largest multi-state and multinational corporations - who both own the media and contribute heavily to conservative politicians. Republicans would prefer that the "criminals" covered in the press are working people, and that corporate and CEO criminals not get discussed.

Thus, Americans are concerned that a "flood of illegal immigrants" coming primarily across our southern border is, to paraphrase Lou Dobbs, "wiping out the American middle class." And there is considerable truth to it, as part of the three-part campaign mentioned earlier.

But Dobbs and his fellow Republicans say the solution is to "secure our border" with a fence like that used by East Germany, but that stretches a distance about the same as that from Washington, DC to Chicago. It'll be a multi-billion-dollar boon to Halliburton and Bechtel, who will undoubtedly get the construction and maintenance contracts, but it won't stop illegal immigration. (Instead, people will legally come in on tourist and other visas, and not leave when their visas expire.)

The fact is that we had an open border with Mexico for several centuries, and "illegal immigration" was never a serious problem. Before Reagan's presidency, an estimated million or so people a year came into the US from Mexico - and the same number, more or less, left the US for Mexico at the end of the agricultural harvest season. Very few stayed, because there weren't jobs for them.

Non-citizens didn't have access to the non-agricultural US job market, in large part because of the power of US labor unions (before Reagan 25% of the workforce was unionized; today the private workforce is about 7% unionized), and because companies were unwilling to risk having non-tax-deductible labor expenses on their books by hiring undocumented workers without valid Social Securitynumbers.

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor (begun in 1981), in effect told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages) with undocumented immigrants. A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs.

The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers.