Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[Dragonlady]

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

The wall isn't going to stop illegal immigrant because illegal immigrants are not coming across the southern border, the flying in through your airports, and arriving LEGALLY and then overstaying their visas.

 

[Dragonlady]

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Let me repeat the most important part

As long as employers are willing and able (without severe penalties) to hire illegal workers, people will risk life and limb to grab at the America Dream. When we stop hiring and paying them, most will leave of their own volition over a few years, and the remaining few who are committed to the US will obtain citizenship through normal channels.

they don't come in because the wall stops them then they can't be hired.
You don't have to be a citizen to be an Uber driver.

You guys are impossible. Go ahead, build your wall before trump loses in 2020

I'll be happy if that happens.

Prepare to be unhappy because it's not going to happen.

 

[SandSquid]

[/QUOTE]
they don't come in because the wall stops them then they can't be hired.
You don't have to be a citizen to be an Uber driver.[/QUOTE]

And for decades Trump Companies have ignored verification methods as well and continued to hire illegal immigrants.

Take Mar a Lago. You have to attempt to hire Americans before you hire foreign workers. They put a tiny ad in a newspaper which you have to apply by mail or fax (no phone or email or modern communication), so they can skirt that rule and hire foreigners first, legal and illegal.

Or Trump Model Management which hires foreign models on tourist visa's intentionally and according to multiple models teaches them to lie to Customs at the border about their reason for visiting.

Or Trump tower, built by undocumented Polish workers who didn't know their rights, and when they were not paid, took him to court and won.

Some companies like those rely on illegal immigrants.

 

[danielpalos]

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

1. Yes people do want them here. We have the rich needing them to build and work at their resorts like Donald Trump. So much so that they won't even use E-verify to see if they are legal or not. We have farmers all through the midwest needing them for their fields.

There is no immigration clause in our federal Constitution.

We subscribe to Capitalism, our welfare clause is General, and we have a Commerce Clause.

Only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy under those conditions.

 

[sealybobo]

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

1. Yes people do want them here. We have the rich needing them to build and work at their resorts like Donald Trump. So much so that they won't even use E-verify to see if they are legal or not. We have farmers all through the midwest needing them for their fields.

There is no immigration clause in our federal Constitution.

We subscribe to Capitalism, our welfare clause is General, and we have a Commerce Clause.

Only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy under those conditions.

Oh shut up

 

[SandSquid]

1. Renovate land ports of entry, and staff them properly

The problem is between the ports of entry, moron. You obviously don't want to do a thing about that.

2. Give Border Patrol the proven sensor and communications technology it needs, where it doesn’t raise civil-liberties concerns for border-zone residents.

How does that physically stop someone from crossing the border? Building the wall is cheaper and far more effective. The best part of the wall is that it prevents illegals from stepping foot in the US and all the associated legal and processing costs of removing them.

3. More screeners and polygraph administrators to reduce hiring times while maintaining scrutiny

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

4. Provide inducements to retain existing border security personnel

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

5. More search-and-rescue capacity

How does that improve border security?

6. Body cameras

How does that improve border security?

7. More CBP Internal Affairs investigators

How does that improve border security?

8. And finally: comprehensive immigration reform

Amnesty, in other words. That harms our illegal alien problem.

Everything you propose is either more expensive and less effective than building the wall, or it's positively counter productive.

Everything you propose is can only work after the illegal has already entered the country. The process of removing an illegal who has already entered is 10 times more effective and takes infinite time longer than building a wall.

Your claim that you support border security is pure horseshit. You're a sleazy lying open borders traitor.

No one was fooled.

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

I guess the answer for that would be because Trumps Dept of Homeland security has released their report that the overwhelming number of illegal immigrants come from overstaying visa's and through ports of entry. So rather than hype up a couple thousand in a caravan, why not stop ignoring the hundreds of thousands entering through other means.

Terrorists overwhelmingly are entering the US through the legal border crossing, as do drugs according to the Trump administration.

Then in the US we have companies that routinely hire illegal immigrants with no penalty. We literally have private companies intentionally weakening our borders by providing a reward for illegal immigrants who get into the country. They have been involved in this push to reward and at times even help illegal immigrants enter the US. If this is a National Emergency, that those businesses are actively opposing that for decades, what kind of traitors does that make them to the USA? If we say that someone selling drugs from Mexico in the US is bad, why don't we hold them in the same light? Well a big reason why is a lot of them are the Republican base. Farmers. Mar-a-lago. Trump Tower. Heck, models have reported that Trump Modeling when assisting in the trafficking of those humans into the US, told them to lie to immigration officials about the purpose of their visits on their visa's so they could illegally work in the USA. So maybe that explains why he'd want a wall knowing most illegal immigrants don't come in that way. Gotta keep his businesses running somehow.

Some people read the 2018 DEA report on drug smuggling which says "The majority of the flow is through POVs entering the United States at legal ports of entry, followed by tractor-trailers."

They see that report that "Fentanyl is transported into the United States in parcel packages directly from China or from China through Canada".

That "Traffickers hide cocaine amongst legitimate cargo of commercial trucks or within secret compartments built within passenger vehicles. Traffickers are also increasingly targeting seaports along the East Coast of the United States as law enforcement efforts have increased along the SWB"

That "Traffickers employ various methods and techniques in the concealment of methamphetamine, such as human couriers at ports of entry, commercial flights, parcel services, and commercial buses."

That "Large quantities of foreign-produced marijuana are smuggled into the United States via personally owned vehicles, commercial vehicles, buses, rail systems, subterranean tunnels, small boats, unmanned aerial vehicles/drones, and catapults..."

That "As these liquid spice substances are widely available in China and other Asian and European countries, most U.S.-based traffickers can purchase the drugs already synthesized and have them shipped through mail carriers to perform final processing and packaging"

So when you look at the DEA and DHS and other groups our issues are with

1. Land ports of entry at southern border.
2. Shipping ports on our coastlines.
3. Mail service entry into the US.
4. Boats, drones, catapults and tunnels.
Then maybe comes things a wall will have any effect on.

It's like a guy who wants to get his car running as well and quickly as he can for an emergency, and he has 4 flat tires, a blown engine, no transmission, and his ECU is fried, and he's using his emergency money to replace the stereo. And somehow people choose to be idiots and say that's the way to do it.

 

[sealybobo]

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

 

[sealybobo]

1. Renovate land ports of entry, and staff them properly

The problem is between the ports of entry, moron. You obviously don't want to do a thing about that.

2. Give Border Patrol the proven sensor and communications technology it needs, where it doesn’t raise civil-liberties concerns for border-zone residents.

How does that physically stop someone from crossing the border? Building the wall is cheaper and far more effective. The best part of the wall is that it prevents illegals from stepping foot in the US and all the associated legal and processing costs of removing them.

3. More screeners and polygraph administrators to reduce hiring times while maintaining scrutiny

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

4. Provide inducements to retain existing border security personnel

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

5. More search-and-rescue capacity

How does that improve border security?

6. Body cameras

How does that improve border security?

7. More CBP Internal Affairs investigators

How does that improve border security?

8. And finally: comprehensive immigration reform

Amnesty, in other words. That harms our illegal alien problem.

Everything you propose is either more expensive and less effective than building the wall, or it's positively counter productive.

Everything you propose is can only work after the illegal has already entered the country. The process of removing an illegal who has already entered is 10 times more effective and takes infinite time longer than building a wall.

Your claim that you support border security is pure horseshit. You're a sleazy lying open borders traitor.

No one was fooled.

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

I guess the answer for that would be because Trumps Dept of Homeland security has released their report that the overwhelming number of illegal immigrants come from overstaying visa's and through ports of entry. So rather than hype up a couple thousand in a caravan, why not stop ignoring the hundreds of thousands entering through other means.

Terrorists overwhelmingly are entering the US through the legal border crossing, as do drugs according to the Trump administration.

Then in the US we have companies that routinely hire illegal immigrants with no penalty. We literally have private companies intentionally weakening our borders by providing a reward for illegal immigrants who get into the country. They have been involved in this push to reward and at times even help illegal immigrants enter the US. If this is a National Emergency, that those businesses are actively opposing that for decades, what kind of traitors does that make them to the USA? If we say that someone selling drugs from Mexico in the US is bad, why don't we hold them in the same light? Well a big reason why is a lot of them are the Republican base. Farmers. Mar-a-lago. Trump Tower. Heck, models have reported that Trump Modeling when assisting in the trafficking of those humans into the US, told them to lie to immigration officials about the purpose of their visits on their visa's so they could illegally work in the USA. So maybe that explains why he'd want a wall knowing most illegal immigrants don't come in that way. Gotta keep his businesses running somehow.

Some people read the 2018 DEA report on drug smuggling which says "The majority of the flow is through POVs entering the United States at legal ports of entry, followed by tractor-trailers."

They see that report that "Fentanyl is transported into the United States in parcel packages directly from China or from China through Canada".

That "Traffickers hide cocaine amongst legitimate cargo of commercial trucks or within secret compartments built within passenger vehicles. Traffickers are also increasingly targeting seaports along the East Coast of the United States as law enforcement efforts have increased along the SWB"

That "Traffickers employ various methods and techniques in the concealment of methamphetamine, such as human couriers at ports of entry, commercial flights, parcel services, and commercial buses."

That "Large quantities of foreign-produced marijuana are smuggled into the United States via personally owned vehicles, commercial vehicles, buses, rail systems, subterranean tunnels, small boats, unmanned aerial vehicles/drones, and catapults..."

That "As these liquid spice substances are widely available in China and other Asian and European countries, most U.S.-based traffickers can purchase the drugs already synthesized and have them shipped through mail carriers to perform final processing and packaging"

So when you look at the DEA and DHS and other groups our issues are with

1. Land ports of entry at southern border.
2. Shipping ports on our coastlines.
3. Mail service entry into the US.
4. Boats, drones, catapults and tunnels.
Then maybe comes things a wall will have any effect on.

It's like a guy who wants to get his car running as well and quickly as he can for an emergency, and he has 4 flat tires, a blown engine, no transmission, and his ECU is fried, and he's using his emergency money to replace the stereo. And somehow people choose to be idiots and say that's the way to do it.

Great post. Republicans here will just blow off what you said because it was more than 3 words and they’ll come back with Sanctuary Cities!

 

[SandSquid]

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

Imagine if we did the same thing with drugs as we do with illegal immigrants? Imagine if instead of human trafficking those businesses were built on selling illegal drugs from Mexico?

But of course, drug dealers don't vote, farmers do, the businessmen like the ones that own Trump Tower and Mar-a-Lago vote and give money to politicians, or run themselves. So we get the double standard that illegal immigration is bad... but hiring thousands of them for decades and even hiding them from authorities is acceptable.

I mean we have some talking that this is a national emergency. National Emergencies have been declared to block the sale of goods to ISIS in Syria, or in response to terrorist attacks.

Imagine if we knew companies were helping goods get to ISIS? Imagine if we knew that a company was actually providing cover for terrorists to live in the US? Do we hold those farmers, those Trump properties to the same standard?

 

[Dragonlady]

Canada has no big problem with illegal immigration because you cannot get hired without a valid Social Insurance Number.

When employers submit your withholding, it is applied to your Revenue Canada accounts for Canada Pension Plan, Employment Insurance, and Income Tax. If Revenue Canada can't find the SIN number in their data base, or the names don't match, the employer will be notified and asked to confirm identity. Companies are fined $10,000 per worker for hiring undocumented workers.

We don't have an illegal immigrant problem in Canada because people won't hire them. And workers in Canada won't work under the table, because if you don't pay your taxes, you can't get any of the cradle to grave social programs that make us the best country to live in the world. If you work under the table, there is no unemployment insurance. No Canada Pension Plan. No Workers Compensation if you're injured at work. You're shooting yourself in the foot not to pay taxes because your will personally benefit from the taxes you pay. The stuff you call "free shit", we call "programs which help ALL Canadians", like the Canada Health Act, Old Age Security, Child Benefits (commonly called the "baby bonus"). If you're unemployed and need training, there's a program for that. Want to start a new business: there's a program to provide business management training, start-up support, and networking.

This is government working for all its people, not just the wealthy, and not against the people and in favour of the corporations, which so much of American government is doing. Corporations SHOULD be providing a living wage, paid vacations, family leave, health care, maternity leave and job security for pregnant women, and other benefits to their workers and not have American taxpayers subsidize their wages, and not just booking record profits while their workers need government programs or two full-time jobs to feed their families. That lunacy on the hoof.

The average American taxpayer gets so little from the federal government that they are loathe to pay taxes. A bloated federal government and the world's biggest military is not something I'd want to pay for, but rich Americans have achieved Nirvana. They have off-loaded all of these costs onto the middle class, for as long as their wealth holds out. The entire wealth of the nation is now flowing unimpeded to the top 20%, thanks to Trump and his tax cuts. The middle class are howling as their promises tax refunds aren't appearing.

Once the middle class has been bankrupted like the working class has been, you'll officially be a banana republic, but the plutocrats which engineered this will be long dead, and their grandchildren will be erecting statues to them in their gated enclaves.

 

[Dragonlady]

Oh, and you can't use a dead person's SIN number either. The Canada Pension Plan pays a death benefit of $2500 for every Canadian who has ever worked, or paid taxes. So of course all deaths are reported to Revenue Canada, and the SIN is flagged as "Deceased".

In the age of super computers, there is no reason not to hold employers financially responsible for hiring illegal immigrants.

 

[danielpalos]

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

1. Yes people do want them here. We have the rich needing them to build and work at their resorts like Donald Trump. So much so that they won't even use E-verify to see if they are legal or not. We have farmers all through the midwest needing them for their fields.

There is no immigration clause in our federal Constitution.

We subscribe to Capitalism, our welfare clause is General, and we have a Commerce Clause.

Only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy under those conditions.

Oh shut up

don't really care about the Law, right wingers? why whine about alleged illegals.

 

[danielpalos]

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

gibberish.

 

[danielpalos]

why is the Right Wing so morally challenged?

Kettles calling less fortunate pots, black, is not very moral.

 

[Dragonlady]

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

gibberish.

So, in other words, "lalalalalalalala I can't hear you".

 

[SandSquid]

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

gibberish.

Pretty straight forward. I mean it would be kind of hypocritical for a President who's business empire was built by selling illegal drugs in the US to say he is tough on illegal drug smuggling. Why isn't it hypocritical for a President who's business empire was built on hiring illegal immigrants to say he is tough on illegal immigration?

 

[danielpalos]

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

gibberish.

So, in other words, "lalalalalalalala I can't hear you".

should we insist on some clue and some Cause?

 

[sealybobo]

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

gibberish.

So, in other words, "lalalalalalalala I can't hear you".

The article I posted even explained how there is no way Republican voters are ever going to demonize corporations because they've been brainwashed to worship them even when they break the law. Look at Trump. His followers don't give a **** about the law, decency, cheating, lying..

Hell even Don himself hires illegals. We've been screaming that for how long and he just now let them go in the last couple weeks. Why? Why did he keep them on so long when we all knew they were undocumented workers? Doesn't matter to Republicans. Their comeback will be SANCTUARY CITIES and BUILD A WALL.

2 and 3 word thoughts is all they are good for.

 

[sealybobo]

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

gibberish.

Pretty straight forward. I mean it would be kind of hypocritical for a President who's business empire was built by selling illegal drugs in the US to say he is tough on illegal drug smuggling. Why isn't it hypocritical for a President who's business empire was built on hiring illegal immigrants to say he is tough on illegal immigration?

Think about this. Even if they build the wall and it's a complete failure and doesn't do shit they'll just lie and say it did work. How do I know they will do that?

Trump lies at MAGA rally, gets expertly fact-checked in real-time by Beto O’Rourke

Think about it Republicans. Trump went down to El Paso and lied to you all. And you don't even care.

 

[danielpalos]

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

I just explained to you how we never needed a wall before and don’t need a wall if we crack down on illegal employers.

Jail time and close their business down. Do you think employers will be more careful then?

gibberish.

Pretty straight forward. I mean it would be kind of hypocritical for a President who's business empire was built by selling illegal drugs in the US to say he is tough on illegal drug smuggling. Why isn't it hypocritical for a President who's business empire was built on hiring illegal immigrants to say he is tough on illegal immigration?

in my opinion, it should be more about the waste of the Peoples' tax monies. We allege to subscribe to Capitalism not socialism on a national basis. We have a general welfare clause and a commerce clause but no actual immigration clause.

Only the Right Wing insists we lose money on national socialist policies instead of national capitalist policies, like good capitalists should.