Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[bripat9643]

1. Renovate land ports of entry, and staff them properly

The problem is between the ports of entry, moron. You obviously don't want to do a thing about that.

2. Give Border Patrol the proven sensor and communications technology it needs, where it doesn’t raise civil-liberties concerns for border-zone residents.

How does that physically stop someone from crossing the border? Building the wall is cheaper and far more effective. The best part of the wall is that it prevents illegals from stepping foot in the US and all the associated legal and processing costs of removing them.

3. More screeners and polygraph administrators to reduce hiring times while maintaining scrutiny

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

4. Provide inducements to retain existing border security personnel

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

5. More search-and-rescue capacity

How does that improve border security?

6. Body cameras

How does that improve border security?

7. More CBP Internal Affairs investigators

How does that improve border security?

8. And finally: comprehensive immigration reform

Amnesty, in other words. That harms our illegal alien problem.

Everything you propose is either more expensive and less effective than building the wall, or it's positively counter productive.

Everything you propose is can only work after the illegal has already entered the country. The process of removing an illegal who has already entered is 10 times more effective and takes infinite time longer than building a wall.

Your claim that you support border security is pure horseshit. You're a sleazy lying open borders traitor.

No one was fooled.

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

 

[bripat9643]

We make money off of illegals

That is why they are here

I don't make a ******* dime off of illegals. They're here because they vote Democrat.

 

[sealybobo]

1. Renovate land ports of entry, and staff them properly

The problem is between the ports of entry, moron. You obviously don't want to do a thing about that.

2. Give Border Patrol the proven sensor and communications technology it needs, where it doesn’t raise civil-liberties concerns for border-zone residents.

How does that physically stop someone from crossing the border? Building the wall is cheaper and far more effective. The best part of the wall is that it prevents illegals from stepping foot in the US and all the associated legal and processing costs of removing them.

3. More screeners and polygraph administrators to reduce hiring times while maintaining scrutiny

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

4. Provide inducements to retain existing border security personnel

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

5. More search-and-rescue capacity

How does that improve border security?

6. Body cameras

How does that improve border security?

7. More CBP Internal Affairs investigators

How does that improve border security?

8. And finally: comprehensive immigration reform

Amnesty, in other words. That harms our illegal alien problem.

Everything you propose is either more expensive and less effective than building the wall, or it's positively counter productive.

Everything you propose is can only work after the illegal has already entered the country. The process of removing an illegal who has already entered is 10 times more effective and takes infinite time longer than building a wall.

Your claim that you support border security is pure horseshit. You're a sleazy lying open borders traitor.

No one was fooled.

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

 

[SandSquid]

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Building the wall is common sense. The measures you propose are ineffective and far more expensive than building the wall. You're a lying douchebag who wants the flow if illegals to increase.

Who do you think you're fooling?[/QUOTE]


If it was common sense, why when Republicans were heading both houses of Congress could Trump not convince them to support his wall?

I mean he could have done this shutdown at anytime. Sure it would look pretty bad shutting down the government because Republicans weren't supporting it.

Sure Trump had this grand plan for a wall. Stop the repatriation of US money to Mexico and force Mexico to lose billions until they write a check. Why hasn't he even explored the exact plan he laid out to his voters? Instead just said "well I'll stick you with the bill".

An ineffective wall when the overwhelming majority of illegals cross at ports of entry and companies don't even use Everify for decades, hiring them by the thousands to build and run their golf courses and country clubs? It's the biggest scam since the Ponzi Scheme first showed up.

But the wall where they aren't crossing is where we need the money? And we have actual border patrol leaders, actual wall experts, actual studies by republican groups showing the wall won't help. So why throw money at it?

I can see why Republican elected officials wouldn't give Trump a dollar for his wall when they had control of Congress. I can see why this bipartisan committee wants to focus on smarter security at the border and focus on where the issues truly are, and give $0 for the wall.

 

[SandSquid]

Actually I think this would solve the problem of the wall. We as American citizens should seriously think about the following:

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Umm, what's the cost? I mean you are talking about well over 4000 square miles of property that needs to be ripped away from American's for that.

And average shipping canal (panama and Suez) cost about half a billion per mile at 1/5th the width. so 2.5 billion per mile (if we can keep the wage costs down to Panama level wages) for flat ground canals. We are crossing the rocky mountains here. Yes, 5300 ft of elevation change. So we need dams and locks to account for that. Every ship has to be lifted 5300 feet then lowered back 5300 foot on the other side.

Based on the flat land costs we are starting in todays money, we are looking at 2.5 trillion dollars to start. Then add the locks to lift hundreds of millions of tons of ships a mile every day. Then cut through a mountain range and flood that channel as well. This is the places where Trump has said a wall is too tough to build there, and you want a 2 mile wide canal through it?

 

[bripat9643]

1. Renovate land ports of entry, and staff them properly

The problem is between the ports of entry, moron. You obviously don't want to do a thing about that.

2. Give Border Patrol the proven sensor and communications technology it needs, where it doesn’t raise civil-liberties concerns for border-zone residents.

How does that physically stop someone from crossing the border? Building the wall is cheaper and far more effective. The best part of the wall is that it prevents illegals from stepping foot in the US and all the associated legal and processing costs of removing them.

3. More screeners and polygraph administrators to reduce hiring times while maintaining scrutiny

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

4. Provide inducements to retain existing border security personnel

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

5. More search-and-rescue capacity

How does that improve border security?

6. Body cameras

How does that improve border security?

7. More CBP Internal Affairs investigators

How does that improve border security?

8. And finally: comprehensive immigration reform

Amnesty, in other words. That harms our illegal alien problem.

Everything you propose is either more expensive and less effective than building the wall, or it's positively counter productive.

Everything you propose is can only work after the illegal has already entered the country. The process of removing an illegal who has already entered is 10 times more effective and takes infinite time longer than building a wall.

Your claim that you support border security is pure horseshit. You're a sleazy lying open borders traitor.

No one was fooled.

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

 

[danielpalos]

Our welfare clause is general and we have a commerce clause to be better capitalists. Only the right wing has a problem with it.

 

[sealybobo]

1. Renovate land ports of entry, and staff them properly

The problem is between the ports of entry, moron. You obviously don't want to do a thing about that.

2. Give Border Patrol the proven sensor and communications technology it needs, where it doesn’t raise civil-liberties concerns for border-zone residents.

How does that physically stop someone from crossing the border? Building the wall is cheaper and far more effective. The best part of the wall is that it prevents illegals from stepping foot in the US and all the associated legal and processing costs of removing them.

3. More screeners and polygraph administrators to reduce hiring times while maintaining scrutiny

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

4. Provide inducements to retain existing border security personnel

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

5. More search-and-rescue capacity

How does that improve border security?

6. Body cameras

How does that improve border security?

7. More CBP Internal Affairs investigators

How does that improve border security?

8. And finally: comprehensive immigration reform

Amnesty, in other words. That harms our illegal alien problem.

Everything you propose is either more expensive and less effective than building the wall, or it's positively counter productive.

Everything you propose is can only work after the illegal has already entered the country. The process of removing an illegal who has already entered is 10 times more effective and takes infinite time longer than building a wall.

Your claim that you support border security is pure horseshit. You're a sleazy lying open borders traitor.

No one was fooled.

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

The corporatist Republicans ("amnesty!") are fighting with the racist Republicans ("fence!"), and it provides an opportunity for progressives to step forward with a clear solution to the immigration problem facing America.

It's frankly astonishing to hear "progressives" reciting corporatist/racist/conservative talking points, recycled through "conservative Democratic" politicians trying to pander to the relatively small percentage of recently-legal (mostly through recent amnesties or birth) immigrants who are trying to get their relatives into this country by means of Bush's proposed guest worker program or the many variations thereof being proposed.

Every nation has an obligation to limit immigration to a number that will not dilute its workforce, but will maintain a stable middle class - if it wants to have a stable democracy. This has nothing to do with race, national origin, or language (visit Switzerland with it's ethnic- and language-dived areas!), and everything to do with economics.

The simple way to do this today is to require that all non-refugee immigrants go through the same process to become American citizens or legal workers in this country (no amnesties, no "guest workers," no "legalizations") regardless of how they got here; to confront employers who hire illegals with draconian financial and criminal penalties; and to affirm that while health care (and the right to provide humanitarian care to all humans) is an absolute right for all people within our boundaries regardless of status, a paycheck, education, or subsidy is not.

The Republican (and Democratic) corporatists who want a cheap labor force, and the Republican (and Democratic) racists who want to build a fence and punish humanitarian aid workers, are equally corrupt and anti-progressive. As long as employers are willing and able (without severe penalties) to hire illegal workers, people will risk life and limb to grab at the America Dream. When we stop hiring and paying them, most will leave of their own volition over a few years, and the remaining few who are committed to the US will obtain citizenship through normal channels.

 

[sealybobo]

1. Renovate land ports of entry, and staff them properly

The problem is between the ports of entry, moron. You obviously don't want to do a thing about that.

2. Give Border Patrol the proven sensor and communications technology it needs, where it doesn’t raise civil-liberties concerns for border-zone residents.

How does that physically stop someone from crossing the border? Building the wall is cheaper and far more effective. The best part of the wall is that it prevents illegals from stepping foot in the US and all the associated legal and processing costs of removing them.

3. More screeners and polygraph administrators to reduce hiring times while maintaining scrutiny

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

4. Provide inducements to retain existing border security personnel

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

5. More search-and-rescue capacity

How does that improve border security?

6. Body cameras

How does that improve border security?

7. More CBP Internal Affairs investigators

How does that improve border security?

8. And finally: comprehensive immigration reform

Amnesty, in other words. That harms our illegal alien problem.

Everything you propose is either more expensive and less effective than building the wall, or it's positively counter productive.

Everything you propose is can only work after the illegal has already entered the country. The process of removing an illegal who has already entered is 10 times more effective and takes infinite time longer than building a wall.

Your claim that you support border security is pure horseshit. You're a sleazy lying open borders traitor.

No one was fooled.

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Let me repeat the most important part

As long as employers are willing and able (without severe penalties) to hire illegal workers, people will risk life and limb to grab at the America Dream. When we stop hiring and paying them, most will leave of their own volition over a few years, and the remaining few who are committed to the US will obtain citizenship through normal channels.

So no wall is necessary if we go after illegal employers. And no wall will work if we continue to allow illegal employers to hire illegals.

Trump hires illegals. Undocumented Workers Lose Their Jobs at Yet Another Trump Property

Why did it take him until now to fire those illegals when we knew for years he was hiring illegals? It's clearly a political move. Now he can say he doesn't hire illegals. Ok great. Now is he going after other companies who do?

Or how about the Republican owned farm that hired Mollie Tibbetts murderer? They lied and said they used Everify. And we know companies like this are accepting fake ID's knowing they are fake ID's. Duh!

Mollie Tibbetts' alleged killer worked on farm under an alias

Does he look like a John Budd to you?

 

[sealybobo]

1. Renovate land ports of entry, and staff them properly

The problem is between the ports of entry, moron. You obviously don't want to do a thing about that.

2. Give Border Patrol the proven sensor and communications technology it needs, where it doesn’t raise civil-liberties concerns for border-zone residents.

How does that physically stop someone from crossing the border? Building the wall is cheaper and far more effective. The best part of the wall is that it prevents illegals from stepping foot in the US and all the associated legal and processing costs of removing them.

3. More screeners and polygraph administrators to reduce hiring times while maintaining scrutiny

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

4. Provide inducements to retain existing border security personnel

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

5. More search-and-rescue capacity

How does that improve border security?

6. Body cameras

How does that improve border security?

7. More CBP Internal Affairs investigators

How does that improve border security?

8. And finally: comprehensive immigration reform

Amnesty, in other words. That harms our illegal alien problem.

Everything you propose is either more expensive and less effective than building the wall, or it's positively counter productive.

Everything you propose is can only work after the illegal has already entered the country. The process of removing an illegal who has already entered is 10 times more effective and takes infinite time longer than building a wall.

Your claim that you support border security is pure horseshit. You're a sleazy lying open borders traitor.

No one was fooled.

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

1. Renovate land ports of entry, and staff them properly

The problem is between the ports of entry, moron. You obviously don't want to do a thing about that.

2. Give Border Patrol the proven sensor and communications technology it needs, where it doesn’t raise civil-liberties concerns for border-zone residents.

How does that physically stop someone from crossing the border? Building the wall is cheaper and far more effective. The best part of the wall is that it prevents illegals from stepping foot in the US and all the associated legal and processing costs of removing them.

3. More screeners and polygraph administrators to reduce hiring times while maintaining scrutiny

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

4. Provide inducements to retain existing border security personnel

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

5. More search-and-rescue capacity

How does that improve border security?

6. Body cameras

How does that improve border security?

7. More CBP Internal Affairs investigators

How does that improve border security?

8. And finally: comprehensive immigration reform

Amnesty, in other words. That harms our illegal alien problem.

Everything you propose is either more expensive and less effective than building the wall, or it's positively counter productive.

Everything you propose is can only work after the illegal has already entered the country. The process of removing an illegal who has already entered is 10 times more effective and takes infinite time longer than building a wall.

Your claim that you support border security is pure horseshit. You're a sleazy lying open borders traitor.

No one was fooled.

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

This is what we were saying about all this in 2006

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames. The reality is that we don't have an "Illegal Immigration" problem in America. We have an "Illegal Employer" problem. Yet it's almost never mentioned in the mainstream media, because to point it out could slightly reduce the profits and CEO salaries of many of America's largest multi-state and multinational corporations - who both own the media and contribute heavily to conservative politicians. So the media isn’t really liberal now is it?

Republicans would prefer that the "criminals" covered in the press are working people, and that corporate and CEO criminals not get discussed.

"illegal immigration" is a red-hot issue for American voters.

Encouraging a rapid increase in the workforce by encouraging companies to hire non-citizens is one of the three most potent tools conservatives since Ronald Reagan have used to convert the American middle class into the American working poor. (The other two are destroying the governmental protections that keep labor unions viable, and ending tariffs while promoting trade deals like NAFTA/WTO/GATT that export manufacturing jobs.)

Thus, Americans are concerned that a "flood of illegal immigrants" coming primarily across our southern border is, to paraphrase Lou Dobbs, "wiping out the American middle class." And there is considerable truth to it, as part of the three-part campaign mentioned earlier.

But Dobbs and his fellow Republicans say the solution is to "secure our border" with a fence like that used by East Germany, but that stretches a distance about the same as that from Washington, DC to Chicago. It'll be a multi-billion-dollar boon to Halliburton and Bechtel, who will undoubtedly get the construction and maintenance contracts, but it won't stop illegal immigration. (Instead, people will legally come in on tourist and other visas, and not leave when their visas expire.)

The fact is that we had an open border with Mexico for several centuries, and "illegal immigration" was never a serious problem. Before Reagan's presidency, an estimated million or so people a year came into the US from Mexico - and the same number, more or less, left the US for Mexico at the end of the agricultural harvest season. Very few stayed, because there weren't jobs for them. Non-citizens didn't have access to the non-agricultural US job market, in large part because of the power of US labor unions (before Reagan 25% of the workforce was unionized; today the private workforce is about 7% unionized), and because companies were unwilling to risk having non-tax-deductible labor expenses on their books by hiring undocumented workers without valid Social Security numbers. But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor (begun in 1981), in effect told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages) with undocumented immigrants. A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs.

 

[sealybobo]

Lou Dobbs, the most visible media champion of this issue, always starts his discussion of the issue with a basic syllogism - 1. Our border is porous. 2. People are coming across our porous border and diluting our labor markets, driving down US wages. 3. Therefore we must make the border less porous.

Lou's syllogism, however, ignores the real problem, the magnet drawing people to risk life and limb to illegally enter this country - Illegal Employers. Our borders have always been porous (and even with a "fence" will still allow through "tourists" by the millions), but we've never had a problem like this before.

Fifty years ago we didn't have an "illegal immigration" problem, because back then we didn't have a conservative "Illegal Employer" problem.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics. "In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

 

[sealybobo]

Only the CNN poll asked the question: "Would you favor increasing penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants?" Two-thirds of Americans, of all party affiliations, said, "Yes," but it went virtually unreported in mainstream media coverage.

Liberal media my ass

 

[sealybobo]

1. Renovate land ports of entry, and staff them properly

The problem is between the ports of entry, moron. You obviously don't want to do a thing about that.

2. Give Border Patrol the proven sensor and communications technology it needs, where it doesn’t raise civil-liberties concerns for border-zone residents.

How does that physically stop someone from crossing the border? Building the wall is cheaper and far more effective. The best part of the wall is that it prevents illegals from stepping foot in the US and all the associated legal and processing costs of removing them.

3. More screeners and polygraph administrators to reduce hiring times while maintaining scrutiny

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

4. Provide inducements to retain existing border security personnel

What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?

5. More search-and-rescue capacity

How does that improve border security?

6. Body cameras

How does that improve border security?

7. More CBP Internal Affairs investigators

How does that improve border security?

8. And finally: comprehensive immigration reform

Amnesty, in other words. That harms our illegal alien problem.

Everything you propose is either more expensive and less effective than building the wall, or it's positively counter productive.

Everything you propose is can only work after the illegal has already entered the country. The process of removing an illegal who has already entered is 10 times more effective and takes infinite time longer than building a wall.

Your claim that you support border security is pure horseshit. You're a sleazy lying open borders traitor.

No one was fooled.

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Easy, simple, cheap, painless. No fence required. No mass deportations necessary. No need for Homeland Security to get involved. When jobs are not available, most undocumented workers will simply leave the country

Republicans, however, are not going to allow a discussion of "Illegal Employers." Instead, they will continue to hammer the issue of "Illegal Immigrants," and tie that political albatross around the necks of Democrats (who seem all too willing to accept it).

Now even Bush is talking like the Republicans in the House of Representatives - time to "get tough" and give Halliburton a few hundred billion to build a fence.

There isn't really much of an illegal immigration problem - it's an Illegal Employer problem. When we clear up the Illegal Employer problem in this country, we'll be back like we were before Reagan started allowing employers to behave illegally. When non-citizens can't get a job, most of them will go home, as they always have in the past. We don't need a fence, we don't need amnesty, we don't need mass roundups or deportations, and we for sure don't need guest workers. We have as many unemployed citizens in this nation as there are illegal immigrants - in my state of Michigan, for example, Flint and Detroit have massive unemployment since Reagan and his corporate cronies declared war on working people. When we get rid of Illegal Employers, that's one step in helping the job market tighten up so that legal employers will have to pay a living wage to attract legal citizens to work. That and rational labor and trade policies, and we can begin to restore our middle class and put our cities back together.

Get rid of the Illegal Employers - toss a few CEOs into jail and shut down the outlaw companies - and the rest of this part of the problem will be easy and inexpensive to fix...

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

 

[sealybobo]

to truly protect the pay standards of workers here in the United States we need to crack down on the Illegal Employers. They're the magnets that are drawing people in from all over the world, many of whom come in as tourists and then overstay because they get illegal jobs. And these Illegal Employers are breaking the law - both immigration laws and IRS laws. I suggest that we need to tighten up these laws against Illegal Employers, adding huge fines for first offenses, jail time for CEOs for second offenses, and the corporate death penalty - dissolve their charters to operate - for repeat offenders.

When companies are repeat offenders, they should be dissolved, their assets sold to reimburse their shareholders, and let other, more ethical companies pick up the slack.

 

[danielpalos]

There is no immigration clause in our federal Constitution.

 

[Slyhunter]

The problem is between the ports of entry, moron. You obviously don't want to do a thing about that.


How does that physically stop someone from crossing the border? Building the wall is cheaper and far more effective. The best part of the wall is that it prevents illegals from stepping foot in the US and all the associated legal and processing costs of removing them.


What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?


What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?


How does that improve border security?


How does that improve border security?



How does that improve border security?

Amnesty, in other words. That harms our illegal alien problem.

Everything you propose is either more expensive and less effective than building the wall, or it's positively counter productive.

Everything you propose is can only work after the illegal has already entered the country. The process of removing an illegal who has already entered is 10 times more effective and takes infinite time longer than building a wall.

Your claim that you support border security is pure horseshit. You're a sleazy lying open borders traitor.

No one was fooled.

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

 

[Slyhunter]

The problem is between the ports of entry, moron. You obviously don't want to do a thing about that.


How does that physically stop someone from crossing the border? Building the wall is cheaper and far more effective. The best part of the wall is that it prevents illegals from stepping foot in the US and all the associated legal and processing costs of removing them.


What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?


What good is that when the Dims refuse to provide funding for more border gaurds?


How does that improve border security?


How does that improve border security?



How does that improve border security?

Amnesty, in other words. That harms our illegal alien problem.

Everything you propose is either more expensive and less effective than building the wall, or it's positively counter productive.

Everything you propose is can only work after the illegal has already entered the country. The process of removing an illegal who has already entered is 10 times more effective and takes infinite time longer than building a wall.

Your claim that you support border security is pure horseshit. You're a sleazy lying open borders traitor.

No one was fooled.

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Let me repeat the most important part

As long as employers are willing and able (without severe penalties) to hire illegal workers, people will risk life and limb to grab at the America Dream. When we stop hiring and paying them, most will leave of their own volition over a few years, and the remaining few who are committed to the US will obtain citizenship through normal channels.

they don't come in because the wall stops them then they can't be hired.
You don't have to be a citizen to be an Uber driver.

 

[sealybobo]

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Let me repeat the most important part

As long as employers are willing and able (without severe penalties) to hire illegal workers, people will risk life and limb to grab at the America Dream. When we stop hiring and paying them, most will leave of their own volition over a few years, and the remaining few who are committed to the US will obtain citizenship through normal channels.

they don't come in because the wall stops them then they can't be hired.
You don't have to be a citizen to be an Uber driver.

You guys are impossible. Go ahead, build your wall before trump loses in 2020

 

[bripat9643]

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Let me repeat the most important part

As long as employers are willing and able (without severe penalties) to hire illegal workers, people will risk life and limb to grab at the America Dream. When we stop hiring and paying them, most will leave of their own volition over a few years, and the remaining few who are committed to the US will obtain citizenship through normal channels.

they don't come in because the wall stops them then they can't be hired.
You don't have to be a citizen to be an Uber driver.

You guys are impossible. Go ahead, build your wall before trump loses in 2020

I'll be happy if that happens.

 

[SandSquid]

No one says you can’t work on border security

Who’s in charge of the money? We are. Now here’s 1 billion. Go do your thing. There’s lots of things you can do to fight illegal immigration besides build a wall. Start raiding republican businesses

Who do you think you're fooling? Why don't you just say "here's nothing?" Why would we want to do anything before we build the wall? That's your fetish. That's your excuse for doing nothing.

You're a ******* douchebag.

So the wall is the only way? Really? Since when? Since trump said so?

The so-called "alternatives" that you propose are far less effective and more expensive. Yet you whine about the cost of the wall. You don't really want border security. You want more illegals to enter the country. As I said, you're a ******* douchebag.

Now you know that's not true. I don't want illegals coming here. We've been railing about this at least since 2006. Sorry but your party is split on this one.

I happen to agree with you stupid! I just don't think a wall is the answer. It's boondoggle.

1. You don't want illegals here you want them to legally freely flood our country with low wage no skilled workers as many as want to come. They're illegal because we don't need them and we don't want them.
2. no wall means we have to pick them up try them in court and house them until their hearing and deportation. stopping them with a wall means we don't have to do any of those things.

1. Yes people do want them here. We have the rich needing them to build and work at their resorts like Donald Trump. So much so that they won't even use E-verify to see if they are legal or not. We have farmers all through the midwest needing them for their fields.