Trumps travel ban (constitutional or not?) Here's a great article on this.

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Today, February 3, 2017 a Federal District court Judge overruled Trump's travel ban. If challenged it is expected to go to the 9th District Court of appeals, and it will probably end up in the U.S. Supreme Court. We have a battle going on with the Judicial branch versus the Executive branch. It should be interesting.
Judge halts implementation of Trump's immigration order - CNNPolitics.com

On Saturday night, several federal judges ruled that part of Donald Trump’s immigration ban, which targeted refugees from Muslim-majority countries, likely ran afoul the United States Constitution. The rulings freed hundreds of lawful immigrants who were detained pursuant to Trump’s executive order and threatened with deportation. Protesters who had gathered at airports around the country rightfully celebrated the rulings as an extraordinary victory.

Mark Joseph Stern is a writer for Slate. He covers the law and LGBTQ issues.
But that triumph was really just the start of the legal battle against Trump’s discriminatory executive order. The Saturday decisions apply only to immigrants who were already in the U.S. or on their way here when Trump signed the order, because the government was actively depriving them of liberty without due process. The rulings do nothing for the thousands of refugees overseas who, as long as the executive order stands, will still be denied entry simply because they are Muslims from majority-Muslim countries.

Luckily for these refugees, the entire executive order—not just its application to those currently in the country—is unlawful. Trump’s attempt to discriminate against refugees on the basis of religion is just as unconstitutional as his efforts to detain and deport lawful immigrants already in America without due process. Any Muslim refugee who was in the process of obtaining a visa when Trump signed his order should have standing to challenge its constitutionality in a U.S. court. Trump’s de facto Muslim ban is a violation of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause, which prohibits the government from favoring one religion over another. And the courts should strike down the order as an unlawful effort to discriminate against Muslims by executive diktat.

The Establishment Clause forbids the government from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” As the Supreme Court explained in 1982’s Larson v. Valente, “the clearest command of the Establishment Clause is that one religious denomination cannot be officially preferred over another.” This constitutional requirement, the court noted, is “inextricably connected with the continuing vitality of the Free Exercise Clause,” guaranteeing religious liberty for all by barring “favoritism among sects.” The court has also declaredthat the government may not “aid or oppose any religion. This prohibition is absolute.”

without any input or review by the executive agencies it affects—but whoever wrote it was smart enough to attempt to dress up its animus in pretext. That pretense, however, does nothing to obscure its discriminatory intent and effect. In addition to targeting seven majority-Muslim countries, the order suspends the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for 120 days, no matter a refugee’s country of origin. When that freeze ends, the order directs the secretary of state, “in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security,” to

make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality. (Emphasis mine.)
That limitation is critical—and illegal. It is normal to prioritize “refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution.” There is a long-standing and bipartisan agreement that America’s refugee policies should always focus, at least in part, on those being persecuted on the basis of religion. But this principle is dramatically altered in the very next clause, which states that a refugee persecuted because of his religion will only be prioritized if he “is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.”

The purpose of this limitation is obvious when applied to the Muslim-majority countries with which Trump is concerned: It favors Christian refugees over Muslim refugees. Trump’s executive order will not help Muslim refugees in Muslim countries who face religious persecution. It is instead designed to help Christians in Muslim-majority countries. On a textual and structural level, the order distinguishes between refugees on the basis of religion, helping Christian refugees because they are Christian, and turning away Muslim refugees because they are Muslim. This discrimination plainly contravenes the “clearest command” of the Establishment Clause.

As ACLU National Legal Director David Cole has written, Trump’s own comments amply support this interpretation of the order. Throughout his campaign, Trump repeatedly called for “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.” He also effectively admitted that he would dress up his Muslim ban in the pretense of a neutral immigration restriction. “People were so upset when I used the word Muslim,” he said on Meet the Press on July 24. “Oh, you can’t use the word Muslim. Remember this. And I’m OK with that, because I’m talking territory instead of Muslim.” When a reporter read him Mike Pence’s tweet criticizing his proposed Muslim ban on the July 17 edition of 60 Minutes, Trump responded, “So you call it territories, OK? We’re gonna do territories. … Call it whatever you want. We’ll call it territories, OK?”

Trump’s order does indeed attempt to use the pretext of “territories,” but it cannot conceal the anti-Muslim animus that lies just beneath its surface. If Trump’s previous comments aren’t enough evidence, consider what his adviser Rudy Giuliani admitted on Saturday night while being interviewed on Fox News: Giuliani explained how he helped Trump create a Muslim ban that would also be legal, per the president’s request. “When he first announced it, he said, ‘Muslim ban,’ ” Giuliani explained.

He called me up and said, “Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.” I put a commission together … and what we did was we focused on, instead of religion, danger. The areas of the world that create danger for us. Which is a factual basis. Not a religious basis. Perfectly legal, perfectly sensible, and that’s what the ban is based on. It’s not based on religion. It’s based on places where there are [sic] substantial evidence that people are sending terrorists into our country.

But unfortunately for Trump and Giuliani, an unconstitutional executive order does not become lawful because it is dressed up in fatuous legalese. And while courts are sometimes hesitant to examine a law’s legislative history to uncover its true intent, they should not ignore Trump’s own descriptions of his goals. Unlike a congressional act—which requires the votes of myriad people, some of whom may have different views of the bill before them—this executive order was signed by one man: Trump. He is responsible for it, and his words should guide the courts’ interpretation of its meaning and intent.
Trump’s Executive Order Is an Unconstitutional Attack on Muslims. It Must Be Struck Down In Its Entirety.
 
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Put lipstick and a dress on a pig of an executive order, and guess what: it gets slaughtered like the pig is.

Time for Trump to learn American judicial restraint.
 
This will come down to Democrats supporting Christians being slaughtered in muslim countries and being pro open borders for terrorists.... and a few other things.
 
It is Constitutional, and LAWFUL. There is NO RIGHT TO IMMGRATE TO ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, and this one is NO EXCEPTION. Any judge that says or rules otherwise IS BREAKING THE LAW HIMSELF, and USURPING the power of the legislative and executive branch that is grounds for impeachment. Time to start bring down the shit and plowing them under. If you post differently you are LYING, or do not have any idea what you are posting about.
 
It is Constitutional, and LAWFUL. There is NO RIGHT TO IMMGRATE TO ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, and this one is NO EXCEPTION. Any judge that says or rules otherwise IS BREAKING THE LAW HIMSELF, and USURPING the power of the legislative and executive branch that is grounds for impeachment. Time to start bring down the shit and plowing them under. If you post differently you are LYING, or do not have any idea what you are posting about.
It is Constitutional, and LAWFUL. There is NO RIGHT TO IMMGRATE TO ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, and this one is NO EXCEPTION. Any judge that says or rules otherwise IS BREAKING THE LAW HIMSELF, and USURPING the power of the legislative and executive branch that is grounds for impeachment. Time to start bring down the shit and plowing them under. If you post differently you are LYING, or do not have any idea what you are posting about.

Eh, you can't stop them .. let them foam.

They sucked up the fake news before the election and they're still sucking it up now... poor gullible nincompoops..

btw. :welcome: to the USMB, I hope you have some fun around here... :woohoo:
 
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All I saw was a mad French speaking man killing the hell out of people he blamed for killing people in a country he identified with. The idea that a nut from Canada is the same as a nut from here is ludicrous, but since you think that way then a murdering Muslim from Syria that comes to the USA no matter what he does, is the same as a murdering Muslim from Syria cutting off heads in Syria then using your analysis.
 
Today, February 3, 2017 a Federal District court Judge overruled Trump's travel ban. If challenged it is expected to go to the 9th District Court of appeals, and it will probably end up in the U.S. Supreme Court. We have a battle going on with the Judicial branch versus the Executive branch. It should be interesting.
Judge halts implementation of Trump's immigration order - CNNPolitics.com

On Saturday night, several federal judges ruled that part of Donald Trump’s immigration ban, which targeted refugees from Muslim-majority countries, likely ran afoul the United States Constitution. The rulings freed hundreds of lawful immigrants who were detained pursuant to Trump’s executive order and threatened with deportation. Protesters who had gathered at airports around the country rightfully celebrated the rulings as an extraordinary victory.

Mark Joseph Stern is a writer for Slate. He covers the law and LGBTQ issues.
But that triumph was really just the start of the legal battle against Trump’s discriminatory executive order. The Saturday decisions apply only to immigrants who were already in the U.S. or on their way here when Trump signed the order, because the government was actively depriving them of liberty without due process. The rulings do nothing for the thousands of refugees overseas who, as long as the executive order stands, will still be denied entry simply because they are Muslims from majority-Muslim countries.

Luckily for these refugees, the entire executive order—not just its application to those currently in the country—is unlawful. Trump’s attempt to discriminate against refugees on the basis of religion is just as unconstitutional as his efforts to detain and deport lawful immigrants already in America without due process. Any Muslim refugee who was in the process of obtaining a visa when Trump signed his order should have standing to challenge its constitutionality in a U.S. court. Trump’s de facto Muslim ban is a violation of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause, which prohibits the government from favoring one religion over another. And the courts should strike down the order as an unlawful effort to discriminate against Muslims by executive diktat.

The Establishment Clause forbids the government from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” As the Supreme Court explained in 1982’s Larson v. Valente, “the clearest command of the Establishment Clause is that one religious denomination cannot be officially preferred over another.” This constitutional requirement, the court noted, is “inextricably connected with the continuing vitality of the Free Exercise Clause,” guaranteeing religious liberty for all by barring “favoritism among sects.” The court has also declaredthat the government may not “aid or oppose any religion. This prohibition is absolute.”

without any input or review by the executive agencies it affects—but whoever wrote it was smart enough to attempt to dress up its animus in pretext. That pretense, however, does nothing to obscure its discriminatory intent and effect. In addition to targeting seven majority-Muslim countries, the order suspends the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for 120 days, no matter a refugee’s country of origin. When that freeze ends, the order directs the secretary of state, “in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security,” to

make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality. (Emphasis mine.)
That limitation is critical—and illegal. It is normal to prioritize “refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution.” There is a long-standing and bipartisan agreement that America’s refugee policies should always focus, at least in part, on those being persecuted on the basis of religion. But this principle is dramatically altered in the very next clause, which states that a refugee persecuted because of his religion will only be prioritized if he “is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.”

The purpose of this limitation is obvious when applied to the Muslim-majority countries with which Trump is concerned: It favors Christian refugees over Muslim refugees. Trump’s executive order will not help Muslim refugees in Muslim countries who face religious persecution. It is instead designed to help Christians in Muslim-majority countries. On a textual and structural level, the order distinguishes between refugees on the basis of religion, helping Christian refugees because they are Christian, and turning away Muslim refugees because they are Muslim. This discrimination plainly contravenes the “clearest command” of the Establishment Clause.

As ACLU National Legal Director David Cole has written, Trump’s own comments amply support this interpretation of the order. Throughout his campaign, Trump repeatedly called for “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.” He also effectively admitted that he would dress up his Muslim ban in the pretense of a neutral immigration restriction. “People were so upset when I used the word Muslim,” he said on Meet the Press on July 24. “Oh, you can’t use the word Muslim. Remember this. And I’m OK with that, because I’m talking territory instead of Muslim.” When a reporter read him Mike Pence’s tweet criticizing his proposed Muslim ban on the July 17 edition of 60 Minutes, Trump responded, “So you call it territories, OK? We’re gonna do territories. … Call it whatever you want. We’ll call it territories, OK?”

Trump’s order does indeed attempt to use the pretext of “territories,” but it cannot conceal the anti-Muslim animus that lies just beneath its surface. If Trump’s previous comments aren’t enough evidence, consider what his adviser Rudy Giuliani admitted on Saturday night while being interviewed on Fox News: Giuliani explained how he helped Trump create a Muslim ban that would also be legal, per the president’s request. “When he first announced it, he said, ‘Muslim ban,’ ” Giuliani explained.

He called me up and said, “Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.” I put a commission together … and what we did was we focused on, instead of religion, danger. The areas of the world that create danger for us. Which is a factual basis. Not a religious basis. Perfectly legal, perfectly sensible, and that’s what the ban is based on. It’s not based on religion. It’s based on places where there are [sic] substantial evidence that people are sending terrorists into our country.

But unfortunately for Trump and Giuliani, an unconstitutional executive order does not become lawful because it is dressed up in fatuous legalese. And while courts are sometimes hesitant to examine a law’s legislative history to uncover its true intent, they should not ignore Trump’s own descriptions of his goals. Unlike a congressional act—which requires the votes of myriad people, some of whom may have different views of the bill before them—this executive order was signed by one man: Trump. He is responsible for it, and his words should guide the courts’ interpretation of its meaning and intent.
Trump’s Executive Order Is an Unconstitutional Attack on Muslims. It Must Be Struck Down In Its Entirety.
Hillary lost
 
Put lipstick and a dress on a pig of an executive order, and guess what: it gets slaughtered like the pig is.

Time for Trump to learn American judicial restraint.


This is a comedy T.V reality show--LOL Trump avoids the acting attorney General (Sally Watts) then has Rudi Guiliano concoct this executive order, then fires Sally Watts for telling her staff NOT to defend this order as it's unconstitutional. His ratings must have soared over this one, LOL

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Today, February 3, 2017 a Federal District court Judge overruled Trump's travel ban. If challenged it is expected to go to the 9th District Court of appeals, and it will probably end up in the U.S. Supreme Court. We have a battle going on with the Judicial branch versus the Executive branch. It should be interesting.
Judge halts implementation of Trump's immigration order - CNNPolitics.com

On Saturday night, several federal judges ruled that part of Donald Trump’s immigration ban, which targeted refugees from Muslim-majority countries, likely ran afoul the United States Constitution. The rulings freed hundreds of lawful immigrants who were detained pursuant to Trump’s executive order and threatened with deportation. Protesters who had gathered at airports around the country rightfully celebrated the rulings as an extraordinary victory.

Mark Joseph Stern is a writer for Slate. He covers the law and LGBTQ issues.
But that triumph was really just the start of the legal battle against Trump’s discriminatory executive order. The Saturday decisions apply only to immigrants who were already in the U.S. or on their way here when Trump signed the order, because the government was actively depriving them of liberty without due process. The rulings do nothing for the thousands of refugees overseas who, as long as the executive order stands, will still be denied entry simply because they are Muslims from majority-Muslim countries.

Luckily for these refugees, the entire executive order—not just its application to those currently in the country—is unlawful. Trump’s attempt to discriminate against refugees on the basis of religion is just as unconstitutional as his efforts to detain and deport lawful immigrants already in America without due process. Any Muslim refugee who was in the process of obtaining a visa when Trump signed his order should have standing to challenge its constitutionality in a U.S. court. Trump’s de facto Muslim ban is a violation of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause, which prohibits the government from favoring one religion over another. And the courts should strike down the order as an unlawful effort to discriminate against Muslims by executive diktat.

The Establishment Clause forbids the government from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” As the Supreme Court explained in 1982’s Larson v. Valente, “the clearest command of the Establishment Clause is that one religious denomination cannot be officially preferred over another.” This constitutional requirement, the court noted, is “inextricably connected with the continuing vitality of the Free Exercise Clause,” guaranteeing religious liberty for all by barring “favoritism among sects.” The court has also declaredthat the government may not “aid or oppose any religion. This prohibition is absolute.”

without any input or review by the executive agencies it affects—but whoever wrote it was smart enough to attempt to dress up its animus in pretext. That pretense, however, does nothing to obscure its discriminatory intent and effect. In addition to targeting seven majority-Muslim countries, the order suspends the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for 120 days, no matter a refugee’s country of origin. When that freeze ends, the order directs the secretary of state, “in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security,” to

make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality. (Emphasis mine.)
That limitation is critical—and illegal. It is normal to prioritize “refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution.” There is a long-standing and bipartisan agreement that America’s refugee policies should always focus, at least in part, on those being persecuted on the basis of religion. But this principle is dramatically altered in the very next clause, which states that a refugee persecuted because of his religion will only be prioritized if he “is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.”

The purpose of this limitation is obvious when applied to the Muslim-majority countries with which Trump is concerned: It favors Christian refugees over Muslim refugees. Trump’s executive order will not help Muslim refugees in Muslim countries who face religious persecution. It is instead designed to help Christians in Muslim-majority countries. On a textual and structural level, the order distinguishes between refugees on the basis of religion, helping Christian refugees because they are Christian, and turning away Muslim refugees because they are Muslim. This discrimination plainly contravenes the “clearest command” of the Establishment Clause.

As ACLU National Legal Director David Cole has written, Trump’s own comments amply support this interpretation of the order. Throughout his campaign, Trump repeatedly called for “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.” He also effectively admitted that he would dress up his Muslim ban in the pretense of a neutral immigration restriction. “People were so upset when I used the word Muslim,” he said on Meet the Press on July 24. “Oh, you can’t use the word Muslim. Remember this. And I’m OK with that, because I’m talking territory instead of Muslim.” When a reporter read him Mike Pence’s tweet criticizing his proposed Muslim ban on the July 17 edition of 60 Minutes, Trump responded, “So you call it territories, OK? We’re gonna do territories. … Call it whatever you want. We’ll call it territories, OK?”

Trump’s order does indeed attempt to use the pretext of “territories,” but it cannot conceal the anti-Muslim animus that lies just beneath its surface. If Trump’s previous comments aren’t enough evidence, consider what his adviser Rudy Giuliani admitted on Saturday night while being interviewed on Fox News: Giuliani explained how he helped Trump create a Muslim ban that would also be legal, per the president’s request. “When he first announced it, he said, ‘Muslim ban,’ ” Giuliani explained.

He called me up and said, “Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.” I put a commission together … and what we did was we focused on, instead of religion, danger. The areas of the world that create danger for us. Which is a factual basis. Not a religious basis. Perfectly legal, perfectly sensible, and that’s what the ban is based on. It’s not based on religion. It’s based on places where there are [sic] substantial evidence that people are sending terrorists into our country.

But unfortunately for Trump and Giuliani, an unconstitutional executive order does not become lawful because it is dressed up in fatuous legalese. And while courts are sometimes hesitant to examine a law’s legislative history to uncover its true intent, they should not ignore Trump’s own descriptions of his goals. Unlike a congressional act—which requires the votes of myriad people, some of whom may have different views of the bill before them—this executive order was signed by one man: Trump. He is responsible for it, and his words should guide the courts’ interpretation of its meaning and intent.
Trump’s Executive Order Is an Unconstitutional Attack on Muslims. It Must Be Struck Down In Its Entirety.
Hillary lost


Pretty soon you're going to be wishing she won--LOL The Comrade within 8 days of being in office has launched this country into a Constitution Crisis.

It's playing out like a comedy T.V Reality show. Trump avoids the acting attorney General (Sally Watts), has Rudi Giuliani concoct this order, then fires Sally Watts for telling her staff to NOT defend this order as it's unconstitutional--LOL

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Some low level judge who doesn't receive daily security briefings second guessing the President on security? This is going to backfire in the left's face.
 
blues, the judge rules until a superior judge either approves, or dismisses, or changes the ruling.

That is how our government works.
 
Some low level judge who doesn't receive daily security briefings second guessing the President on security? This is going to backfire in the left's face.


This isn't a low level judge dumbass. It is a U.S. Federal District court Judge, and his primary duty is to protect the integrity of the U.S. Constitution. And if that means Usurping the ass clown you've installed in the Oval office, then that is what their duty is.

The one person you negated to do EXTREME vetting on was Comrade Trump.

To add insult to injury, he didn't even add Saudi Arabia to his list of banned countries. There's a reason for that.

"President Trump's sprawling business interests in Saudia Arabia may have influenced his decision, presenting a possible conflict of interest. Recent financial disclosures have shown that Saudi Arabia is home to several limited-liability Trump corporations, the New York Times reported. The Times also reported that Trump had done business in two other countries that produced 9/11 terrorists yet were excluded from the ban: the United Arab Emirates and Egypt."
Why Wasn't Saudi Arabia On Trump's Travel Ban List? Kingdom Was Home To 15 Of The 9/11 Hijackers

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Some low level judge who doesn't receive daily security briefings second guessing the President on security? This is going to backfire in the left's face.


This isn't a low level judge dumbass. It is a U.S. Federal District court Judge, and his primary duty is to protect the integrity of the U.S. Constitution. And if that means Usurping the ass clown you've installed in the Oval office, then that is what their duty is.

The one person you negated to do EXTREME vetting on was Comrade Trump.

To add insult to injury, he didn't even add Saudi Arabia to his list of banned countries. There's a reason for that.

"President Trump's sprawling business interests in Saudia Arabia may have influenced his decision, presenting a possible conflict of interest. Recent financial disclosures have shown that Saudi Arabia is home to several limited-liability Trump corporations, the New York Times reported. The Times also reported that Trump had done business in two other countries that produced 9/11 terrorists yet were excluded from the ban: the United Arab Emirates and Egypt."
Why Wasn't Saudi Arabia On Trump's Travel Ban List? Kingdom Was Home To 15 Of The 9/11 Hijackers

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Jesus Christ lib calm down before you stroke out. :laugh:
 

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