Trumps SOTU lies & embellishments

[Deplorable Yankee]

 

[Marener]

Head in the sand with a milquetoast statement.

If in the end it proved that fraud had occurred.

Without the crisis the clock was ticking and nothing in the Constitution allows the clock to stop.

It's the only statement that makes any sense and is consistent with the law and constitution.

Who would have determined that the fraud had been "proven", exactly? How would that have occurred?

 

[Marener]

Legal in 2020... Only until Rino Collins and Democrats changed a 135 year old law on the books in 2022 was it declared illegal after the fact.

According to the Eastman Memo, it wasn't legal.

 

[martybegan]

It's the only statement that makes any sense and is consistent with the law and constitution.

Who would have determined that the fraud had been "proven", exactly? How would that have occurred?

Nope, it's willfully ignoring potential fraud because your side was doing it.

We would have seen (hopefully) if a Crisis had been created.

 

[Marener]

Nope, it's willfully ignoring potential fraud because your side was doing it.

We would have seen (hopefully) if a Crisis had been created.

Ignorant of potential fraud seems to be an oxymoron. If it's potential, then everyone is ignorant of it as it doesn't really exist and isn't identified.

How is it that we "would have seen" because of the crisis you wanted to be precipitated?

 

[Rambunctious]

 

[martybegan]

Ignorant of potential fraud seems to be an oxymoron. If it's potential, then everyone is ignorant of it as it doesn't really exist and isn't identified.

How is it that we "would have seen" because of the crisis you wanted to be precipitated?

More ducking and diving.

That probably needed to be precipitated.

But too late for that now, and we took back the White House in 2024 due to and in spite of your lawfare and idiocy.

 

[Marener]

More ducking and diving.

That probably needed to be precipitated.

But too late for that now, and we took back the White House in 2024 due to and in spite of your lawfare and idiocy.

If my answers are vague, it's because the question is vague. If you want specific answers, ask a specific question. When it came to allegations of fraud in 2020, it's hard to find any allegation that deserved to be taken seriously. As far as I'm aware, even the majority of unserious allegations were taken seriously and dismissed almost immediately upon investigation.

How would have the proof been uncovered through the constitutional crisis?

 

[postman]

You twats can't just say "I disagree with it" and you know you can't call them outright lies.

So you go with the "inaccurate" bullshit to avoid debating things on the merits.

In less pleasant company they would call all of Trump's boasts damn lies.
Because he knows they're lies, but repeat them over and over again anyway, because his base will repeat them, and retweet them, until like propaganda, more and more people start to believe them. aka "Mission Accomplished"

 

[postman]

Head in the sand with a milquetoast statement.

If in the end it proved that fraud had occurred.

Without the crisis the clock was ticking and nothing in the Constitution allows the clock to stop.

Actually there are several mechanisms that stop the clock.
From the statute of limitations,
to the "live controversy" requirement of Article 3
To the maxim Ubi jus ibi remedium --- "Where there is no remedy, there is no right"

 

[martybegan]

If my answers are vague, it's because the question is vague. If you want specific answers, ask a specific question. When it came to allegations of fraud in 2020, it's hard to find any allegation that deserved to be taken seriously. As far as I'm aware, even the majority of unserious allegations were taken seriously and dismissed almost immediately upon investigation.

How would have the proof been uncovered through the constitutional crisis?

Typical dismissal by a typical lefty drone.

Dismissed by the people who benefitted most from the fraud.

The threat of civil war making people realize their cheating has consequences?

 

[martybegan]

In less pleasant company they would call all of Trump's boasts damn lies.
Because he knows they're lies, but repeat them over and over again anyway, because his base will repeat them, and retweet them, until like propaganda, more and more people start to believe them. aka "Mission Accomplished"

"lies"

Put up or shut up.

We still have the biggest lie coming from Obama "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, period"

That is a straight up lie because he knew the law wouldn't allow that to happen.

 

[Marener]

Typical dismissal by a typical lefty drone.

Dismissed by the people who benefitted most from the fraud.

The threat of civil war making people realize their cheating has consequences?

You're being vague and unsubstantiated. Your allegation of "Dismissed by the people who benefited most from the fraud" is likewise vague and unsubstantiated.

What are you talking about "the threat of civil war"?

This is the problem with you guys. You're so very unserious but you demand to be taken seriously.

 

[martybegan]

Actually there are several mechanisms that stop the clock.
From the statute of limitations,
to the "live controversy" requirement of Article 3
To the maxim Ubi jus ibi remedium --- "Where there is no remedy, there is no right"

None of which the Dems would have cared about because they got what they want.

The pathetic thing is getting what they wanted resulted in a far more effective Trump in 2024.

 

[martybegan]

You're being vague and unsubstantiated. Your allegation of "Dismissed by the people who benefited most from the fraud" is likewise vague and unsubstantiated.

What are you talking about "the threat of civil war"?

This is the problem with you guys. You're so very unserious but you demand to be taken seriously.

I'm being cautious and not being an absolutist. Something Dems don't know how to do.

Which is why I also say I have concerns, and I don't say I have outright proof.

Push the normies too far, and you won't like what you get in return. Lefties can go half-revolution, normies can't.

 

[Marener]

I'm being cautious and not being an absolutist. Something Dems don't know how to do.

Which is why I also say I have concerns, and I don't say I have outright proof.

Push the normies too far, and you won't like what you get in return. Lefties can go half-revolution, normies can't.

You're not a normie. You're a fringe weirdo who is chronically online. You're progressively losing touch with reality.

 

[popscottpopscott]

According to the Eastman Memo, it wasn't legal.

Yes it was in 2020...
"""everything that was done was done legally by the Trump legal team, according to the rules, " Epshteyn

 

[Marener]

Yes it was in 2020...
"""everything that was done was done legally by the Trump legal team, according to the rules, " Epshteyn

The Eastman memo literally says their plan would violate the law.

 

[martybegan]

You're not a normie. You're a fringe weirdo who is chronically online. You're progressively losing touch with reality.

Try again. You are a lefty hack who wants unfettered illegal immigration, men in women's spaces and sports, and all sorts of other socialist bullshit.

What's worse you can't be honest about what you actually want.

 

[popscottpopscott]

The Eastman memo literally says their plan would violate the law.

The memo does not literally say the plan violates the law.