Trump's case against Senator Mark Kelly faces steep hurdles under military law

[Leo123]

The smart people talked him out of shooting them in the leg. But I do believe the shot rubber bullets, maybe even tear gas, at a group of peaceful protestors.

Do you mean Biden?

 

[Company 13]

Do you mean Biden?

No. I think it was one of his advisors or a cabinet member.
Do you seriously not recall this?

Edit: It was Defense Secretary Espers.

 

[Leo123]

No. I think it was one of his advisors or a cabinet member.
Do you seriously not recall this?

Edit: It was Defense Secretary Espers.

Esper, to be exact. There is no real proof Trump ever said anything like that and....

Esper claimed that in a book insisting Trump said that. Trump denied it. Also Esper condoned the 2021 impeachment of Trump and said (in an interview with Colbert) that Trump was dangerous. Esper condoned the renaming of military bases named after Confederate generals. Esper was a Rino radical. Your comment is baseless and ignorant.

 

[Company 13]

Esper, to be exact. There is no real proof Trump ever said anything like that and....

Esper claimed that in a book insisting Trump said that. Trump denied it. Also Esper condoned the 2021 impeachment of Trump and said (in an interview with Colbert) that Trump was dangerous. Esper condoned the renaming of military bases named after Confederate generals. Esper was a Rino radical. Your comment is baseless and ignorant.

Trump denied it? Oh, sorry. Then it's certainly not true.
Of course Esper condoned the impeachment. And Trump is dangerous.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Do YOU think cases with little merit should not be pursued?

In this case, in light of the merit-free cases pursued against Trump, yes.

Mark Kelly is a senior Navy officer, to be held to a much higher standard, and leading service members into acts that are outright mutiny, while attempting to stay clean by carefully choosing his words is one of the worst crimes against those service members Kellly could have committed.

If he is innocent, he has nothing to worry about, after all.

I think he wrote a book, didn't he? He no doubt got a huge advance, so he can afford to hire attorneys. Not as many as are in the DOJ and the Navy, but that's a problem all criminals face.

 

[Company 13]

In this case, in light of the merit-free cases pursued against Trump, yes.

Mark Kelly is a senior Navy officer, to be held to a much higher standard, and leading service members into acts that are outright mutiny, while attempting to stay clean by carefully choosing his words is one of the worst crimes against those service members Kellly could have committed.

If he is innocent, he has nothing to worry about, after all.

I think he wrote a book, didn't he? He no doubt got a huge advance, so he can afford to hire attorneys. Not as many as are in the DOJ and the Navy, but that's a problem all criminals face.

Wow! In other words, it's revenge and you approve it.
He didn't do anything wrong. It's called First Amendment rights. He DID stay clean by carefully choosing words. Oh, how I wish our demented president would give that tactic a try. (He just accused Walz of being involved in the murder of a a legislator in Minnesota.)
Someone can be innocent and still have something to worry about from the Trump administration. Hegseth (who should be impeached) just censured Kelly.
Having money enough money for a lawyer doesn't mean you should have to spend it on a lawyer because of false, vengeful charges brought my a mentally unbalanced and evil man.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Wow! In other words, it's revenge and you approve it.

Yes. For reasons I've explained earlier, this "revenge" as you call it, is vital to the nation.

Did Kelly speak up in defense of Donald Trump, or more to the point, in defense of General Mark Flynn, a fellow retired officer unfairly prosecuted by Admiral Kelly's party?

He didn't do anything wrong. It's called First Amendment rights. He DID stay clean by carefully choosing words. Oh, how I wish our demented president would give that tactic a try. (He just accused Walz of being involved in the murder of a a legislator in Minnesota.)

Free spech in the military is different. It's different in any job, really. I don't know if you have a job, but if so, does your boss allow you to say anything you want with no consequences?

Someone can be innocent and still have something to worry about from the Trump administration. Hegseth (who should be impeached) just censured Kelly.

Interesting idea. So an innocent person might still have legitimate concerns if he were gone after by a hostile administration, or agency? His life could be turned upside down?

Have you been shouting that from the rooftops during the prosecutions of Trump?

Having money enough money for a lawyer doesn't mean you should have to spend it on a lawyer because of false, vengeful charges brought my a mentally unbalanced and evil man.

That's exactly what happened to General Flynn, except instead of an unbalanced and evil man, it was a rogue agency trying to overturn the results of the election.

 

[Seymour Flops]

It looks like Hegseth is going to settle for a demotion, rather than insisting on a court martial. That seems about right.

What he did was clearly Conduct Prejudicial to Good Order, but why give Kelly a show trial?

I wish they would bust him to Seaman Recruit, but I'm guessing it will be from Captain to Commander, a one rank drop.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So of course the drunken white supremacist SecDef had no actual case, so he had to go the administrative fiat route.

The moment the white supremacist idiot is out, this will be reversed.

 

[Zincwarrior]

So of course the drunken white supremacist SecDef had no actual case, so he had to go the administrative fiat route.

The moment the white supremacist idiot is out, this will be reversed.

I wonder what Kelly's legal recourse is at this point.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I wonder what Kelly's legal recourse is at this point.

I would expect him to file a formal appeal through the military branch.

Barring that, I would expect him to file a lawsuit in federal court based on Constitutional infringement of Free Speach as a United States Senator.
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The reason, IMHO that the administration went with the censure letter and demotion was specifically to NOT have a Court Martial which would have been public. They didn't want their attempted revenge against and American hero to dominate the news cycle for days and/or weeks.

I think evenutally they will quietly withdraw the censure, restore the rank, and ask for the Federal lawsuit to be dismissed as moot - becuase if it goes to Federal Court they again put it squarely in the news cycle.

They won't want this going into the November elections.

WW