Trump's case against Senator Mark Kelly faces steep hurdles under military law

[White 6]

Give me the transcript of what he said in that presser, and we’ll see if it’s what you’re saying. My bet is, it’s not even close.

Hunt it yourself. Believe what you want, in your own little world, free of major news reporting.

 

[j-mac]

Hunt it yourself. Believe what you want, in your own little world, free of major news reporting.

I watched the press conference, and didn't hear what you were saying...So, since you won't back up your bullshit, I have to conclude that like most liberals, you're full of shit.

 

[White 6]

I watched the press conference, and didn't hear what you were saying...So, since you won't back up your bullshit, I have to conclude that like most liberals, you're full of shit.

Just what is it, you think was not said?

 

[Rambunctious]

No you wouldn't.

WW
ATC(AW/NAC)
USN, Ret.

In the Marine Corps, complaining publicly about the chain of command is generally discouraged and ineffective; instead, Marines use formal, internal processes like Request Mast, Article 138 Complaints, or contacting the Inspector General (IG) to address grievances, aiming for resolution through established channels rather than public outcry, which can backfire. These methods provide structured avenues for grievances, from personal issues (Request Mast) to serious violations (Art 138), but require following proper procedure and exhausting other remedies first.
Formal Grievance Channels

• Request Mast (NAVMC 11296): A formal application to speak directly with your Commanding Officer about a personal grievance, ensuring the CO considers and responds.

 

[Rambunctious]

No you wouldn't.

WW
ATC(AW/NAC)
USN, Ret.

• Article 138 Complaint: A formal complaint under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) for significant personal wrongs or abuses by a commander, submitted to the next superior officer if unresolved.
• Inspector General (IG): For issues like fraud, waste, abuse, or reprisal, contact the Command IG or the IGMC; they are a last resort after other avenues are tried and can investigate serious matters.
• Why Public Complaint is Bad
  • Undermines Authority: Publicly complaining bypasses the system designed to address issues and can be seen as insubordination.
  • Ineffective: The IG acts on provable facts, and commanders need to follow regulations; public complaints rarely achieve resolution.
  • Interferes with Mission: It can disrupt command functions and morale, and may be used to harass or avoid duty.

Kelly is still an active member of the air force... he could be in some hot water...

 

[Seymour Flops]

In the Marine Corps, complaining publicly about the chain of command is generally discouraged and ineffective; instead, Marines use formal, internal processes like Request Mast, Article 138 Complaints, or contacting the Inspector General (IG) to address grievances, aiming for resolution through established channels rather than public outcry, which can backfire. These methods provide structured avenues for grievances, from personal issues (Request Mast) to serious violations (Art 138), but require following proper procedure and exhausting other remedies first.
Formal Grievance Channels

• Request Mast (NAVMC 11296): A formal application to speak directly with your Commanding Officer about a personal grievance, ensuring the CO considers and responds.

Yes, there are many, many ways to approach a disagreement with one's commanders, all the way up to the president.

The problem for Democrats and "not Democrats" is that being able to submit grievances, whether to the military or the civilian government doesn't mean that you always get your way every time. That confuses them since they grew up never hearing the word "no."

That's why they pull stupic stunts like Captain Kelly and his co-conspirators.

 

[Rambunctious]

Yes, there are many, many ways to approach a disagreement with one's commanders, all the way up to the president.

The problem for Democrats and "not Democrats" is that being able to submit grievances, whether to the military or the civilian government doesn't mean that you always get your way every time. That confuses them since they grew up never hearing the word "no."

That's why they pull stupic stunts like Captain Kelly and his co-conspirators.

You need more than conjecture.... suspecting Trump gave illegal orders is not enough to go around him.... its seditious....

 

[WorldWatcher]

In the Marine Corps, complaining publicly about the chain of command is generally discouraged and ineffective; instead, Marines use formal, internal processes like Request Mast, Article 138 Complaints, or contacting the Inspector General (IG) to address grievances, aiming for resolution through established channels rather than public outcry, which can backfire. These methods provide structured avenues for grievances, from personal issues (Request Mast) to serious violations (Art 138), but require following proper procedure and exhausting other remedies first.
Formal Grievance Channels

• Request Mast (NAVMC 11296): A formal application to speak directly with your Commanding Officer about a personal grievance, ensuring the CO considers and responds.

You said: "I served in the Marine Corps. and Marine reserve for 26 years and if I did what Kelly did on national TV.... I would expect to be court martialed..."

As a retired 26 year Marine (as Capt. Kelly is retired). You would NOT be balled back to active duty and court martial for telling people what the law says. Which is what he did.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

• Kelly is still an active member of the air force... he could be in some hot water...

#1 Capt. Kelley is not an active member of the air force. He's retired Navy.

#2 No he's not active, he's retired.

Retirees are subject to recall to active duty for disciplinary action under certain conditions.

Good luck recalling and Court Martialing a United States hero who served when called, flew combat missions, applied for an became a successful astronaught, and was elected to the Senate.

This "investigation" is just for social media posts and to hook in the gullible for a new cycle.

WW

 

[Rambunctious]

You said: "I served in the Marine Corps. and Marine reserve for 26 years and if I did what Kelly did on national TV.... I would expect to be court martialed..."

As a retired 26 year Marine (as Capt. Kelly is retired). You would NOT be balled back to active duty and court martial for telling people what the law says. Which is what he did.

WW

I'm not an attorney.... That's why I said I would have expected to be court martialed... that is how reckless I feel he was by doing this.... he should know better....
You don't undermine the president to the troops... its seditious at best treasonous at worse....

 

[DGS49]

I don't think there is any criminal or UCMJ case against this senator. Trump "attacked" him to draw attention to what a dick he is.

He succeeded. He is a good example of the "Bureaucrat" Commander, as contrasted with the Leader/Commander. He apparently spent his whole career kissing the ass of his superiors.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I don't think there is any criminal or UCMJ case against this senator. Trump "attacked" him to draw attention to what a dick he is.

He succeeded. He is a good example of the "Bureaucrat" Commander, as contrasted with the Leader/Commander. He apparently spent his whole career kissing the ass of his superiors.

Typical magat sheep fare.

Mark Kelly, the national hero, is a divk.

And the fat rapist charity thief felon is a swell guy.

Fukn insane

 

[Blisterfinger]

Trump's a draft-dodging, cowardly, bully. Bone Spur isn't going to do shit to a combat veteran who wasn't captured.

You traitors need a good bullying

 

[Seymour Flops]

I don't think there is any criminal or UCMJ case against this senator. Trump "attacked" him to draw attention to what a dick he is.

He succeeded. He is a good example of the "Bureaucrat" Commander, as contrasted with the Leader/Commander. He apparently spent his whole career kissing the ass of his superiors.

Correct.

Definitely a careerist and not a professional.

 

[Leo123]

Why did Kelly feel the need to remind troops not to follow illegal orders when there were no illegal orders? Isn't that fomenting insurrection? Especially since he has military rank. IMO he should face a court martial.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Why not make the next video "you can relieve your commander of command and take over if he goes crazy?"

Nothing but true, except very, very misleading to say it without lots of explanation.

 

[Company 13]

Your military law experts might be an oxymoron. So your basically saying cases with little merit shouldn't be pursued against politicians? Where was this revelation during the frivolous Trump cases?

Do YOU think cases with little merit should not be pursued?

 

[Company 13]

Why did Kelly feel the need to remind troops not to follow illegal orders when there were no illegal orders? Isn't that fomenting insurrection? Especially since he has military rank. IMO he should face a court martial.

You remind them of the law before the law is broken.
With Trump in office, there are likely to be illegal orders. You know, orders like shooting protestors in the legs.

 

[Leo123]

You remind them of the law before the law is broken.
With Trump in office, there are likely to be illegal orders. You know, orders like shooting protestors in the legs.

Why assume laws will be broken? Which protester got shot in the leg?

 

[Company 13]

Why assume laws will be broken? Which protester got shot in the leg?

The smart people talked him out of shooting them in the leg. But I do believe the shot rubber bullets, maybe even tear gas, at a group of peaceful protestors.