Trump's 4% GDP growth promise update

[edward37]

In other words, the cup isn't 2/3 full but 1/3 empty. It is amazing that you could post an OP like this and simply ignore all the important improvements we've seen in the economy under Trump: growth in manufacturing jobs that we haven't seen in 15-20 years, the lowest jobless claims in 50 years, record low black and Hispanic unemployment numbers, a substantial drop in the U-6 unemployment rate (it stayed over 10% for most of Obama's presidency), a 30-40% improvement in wages, etc., etc.

I have been reading some of the posts on this board from people who are economically illiterate.

It truly amazes me that most of them don't realize that the debt service on the debt is completely controlled by the Federal reserve.

During Obama's tenure even though I couldn't stand the guy I was quick to defend him on the finances and point out that the president is not the one who's completely in charge of the dollar value so it doesn't make any sense to blame him for a weak dollar.

What our liberal friends are failing to see and perhaps they fail on purpose, is that the groundwork being laid right now will produce the largest advance in the history of this nation in economic well-being when it all finally comes together.

I think Trump may have overestimated corporate benevolence. But that only means that the enormous economic surge will come a little later than he expected.

Don't be surprised to see 5% growth when this machine finally gears in. The potential is definitely there.

Jo

When pigs fly

 

[edthecynic]

You and yours are far more liars, than Trump is.

No one in the universe is a bigger liar thanTramp, not even Russia Limbaugh.

 

[Correll]

Thanks for making my point.

The 10,000 number is based on taking his hyperbole literally.


That is a lie.

Thus, your pretense that maybe you were just being hyperbolic, is revealed to be a lie, also.


You and yours are far more liars, than Trump is.


So, your pretense of being outraged by Trump's "lies" is revealed to be, wait for it, another lie.

How do you differentiate between lies and hyperbole?
Do you use anything other than party affiliation?

When Obama said “if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”, was that a lie or hyperbole?

When Trump said his father was born in a little village in Germany, was that a lie or hyperbole?

The difference is right in the definition.


Hyperbole is not expected to be believed.


If I tell you that I am the richest man in the world, I am probably not seriously trying to lie to you.


If I tell you that I make 200k a year, then I might be seriously trying to lie to you.




This is not difficult. Don't pretend it is.

Can you give an example of something Trump said that was not expected to be believed?

I will take that as a no

Why is that a no? (pretty funny you didn't volunteer that information, btw)

 

[Correll]

You and yours are far more liars, than Trump is.

No one in the universe is a bigger liar thanTramp, not even Russia Limbaugh.

Said by the man that had to cut what we were talking about. lol!!!

 

[edthecynic]

The 10,000 number is based on taking his hyperbole literally.

That is a lie. The 10,000 number is based on the number of LIES he has told.

 

[edthecynic]

Hyperbole is not expected to be believed.
If I tell you that I am the richest man in the world, I am probably not seriously trying to lie to you.
If I tell you that I make 200k a year, then I might be seriously trying to lie to you.

So you admit Tramp saying he's worth $10 billion is meant to be a lie.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

How do you differentiate between lies and hyperbole?
Do you use anything other than party affiliation?

When Obama said “if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”, was that a lie or hyperbole?

When Trump said his father was born in a little village in Germany, was that a lie or hyperbole?

The difference is right in the definition.


Hyperbole is not expected to be believed.


If I tell you that I am the richest man in the world, I am probably not seriously trying to lie to you.


If I tell you that I make 200k a year, then I might be seriously trying to lie to you.




This is not difficult. Don't pretend it is.

Can you give an example of something Trump said that was not expected to be believed?

I will take that as a no

Why is that a no? (pretty funny you didn't volunteer that information, btw)

My apologies, your link did not show up on my phone in the first post.

I do not think that was either hyperbole or a lie. I think Trump truly believes it to be a true statement, that he does know more than the generals. One of many area he truly believes he knows more than anyone else

 

[edthecynic]

Can you give an example of something Trump said that was not expected to be believed?

So you are saying that Tramp is NOT to be believed when he says "believe me."

 

[Dragonlady]

4% is a big number for such a large economy. The fact he hit 3% is an achievement.

It's much easier to achieve if you cut down your expenses, which neither party seems willing to do.

His economy isn't doing nearly as well in GDP growith, in job creation, or in wage growth, as the Obama economy. Trump promised "jobs on steriods", and that's not happening. He promises workers a $4000 a year raise from the corporate tax cuts, and that's not happening.

You want to achieve growth, raise wages. There's a lot of pent up demand among working Americans and the middle class, but they lack the money to act on that demand. All of the sluggishness with growth can be tied directly to the fact that the working and middle class have had no real raises in income since 1980, and have seen their savings and equity eroded by inflation and recessions.

blah blah blah, ... but you're not entitled to your own facts.


Obama failed across-the-board, and Trump and America are winning.

I posted growth charts in the post for the stock market, for jobs, and incomes and all showed the Trump growth is a straight line upward continuation of the Obama growth, with the stock market actually doing worse under Trump. Job growth is also lower under Trump. But the deficit, welll that truly is a deficit on steroids.

And you're right, you are not entitled to say this isn't true because you don't want to admit the truth about the Trump Presidency.

The US economy is like a giant freight train, it takes a long time for it to react to negative influences, like a large tax cut for the wealthy, or deficit spending in a boom economy. Trump knows his policies are toxic and HE DOESN'T CARE. He'll be long gone before the worst effects of his policies hit the economy.

Well he did say that he was going to undo EVERYTHING that Obama did, and Obama's greatest accomplishment is the sound and stable economy Obama handed over to Trump. It can't be undone with an EO, so it's taking longer to destroy, but Trump is totally on track to do it.

 

[Meathead]

4% is a big number for such a large economy. The fact he hit 3% is an achievement.

It's much easier to achieve if you cut down your expenses, which neither party seems willing to do.

His economy isn't doing nearly as well in GDP growith, in job creation, or in wage growth, as the Obama economy. Trump promised "jobs on steriods", and that's not happening. He promises workers a $4000 a year raise from the corporate tax cuts, and that's not happening.

You want to achieve growth, raise wages. There's a lot of pent up demand among working Americans and the middle class, but they lack the money to act on that demand. All of the sluggishness with growth can be tied directly to the fact that the working and middle class have had no real raises in income since 1980, and have seen their savings and equity eroded by inflation and recessions.

blah blah blah, ... but you're not entitled to your own facts.


Obama failed across-the-board, and Trump and America are winning.

I posted growth charts in the post for the stock market, for jobs, and incomes and all showed the Trump growth is a straight line upward continuation of the Obama growth, with the stock market actually doing worse under Trump. Job growth is also lower under Trump. But the deficit, welll that truly is a deficit on steroids.

And you're right, you are not entitled to say this isn't true because you don't want to admit the truth about the Trump Presidency.

The US economy is like a giant freight train, it takes a long time for it to react to negative influences, like a large tax cut for the wealthy, or deficit spending in a boom economy. Trump knows his policies are toxic and HE DOESN'T CARE. He'll be long gone before the worst effects of his policies hit the economy.

Well he did say that he was going to undo EVERYTHING that Obama did, and Obama's greatest accomplishment is the sound and stable economy Obama handed over to Trump. It can't be undone with an EO, so it's taking longer to destroy, but Trump is totally on track to do it.

Spare us the horse shit. A president Daffy Duck could have righted the economy. Obama in fact accomplished nothing in his 8 years, preferring instead to bask in the accolades of a Nobel committee and an emamoured press while ignoring worsening racial tension, a resurgent Russia, NK nuclear resting and hordes coming through our southern border while shitholes like Baltimore continued to be shitholes like Baltimore. Talk to Rightwinger. He, like you, is an idiot who insists Obama was successful. No one else is buying it.

 

[Correll]

The difference is right in the definition.


Hyperbole is not expected to be believed.


If I tell you that I am the richest man in the world, I am probably not seriously trying to lie to you.


If I tell you that I make 200k a year, then I might be seriously trying to lie to you.




This is not difficult. Don't pretend it is.

Can you give an example of something Trump said that was not expected to be believed?

I will take that as a no

Why is that a no? (pretty funny you didn't volunteer that information, btw)

My apologies, your link did not show up on my phone in the first post.

I do not think that was either hyperbole or a lie. I think Trump truly believes it to be a true statement, that he does know more than the generals. One of many area he truly believes he knows more than anyone else

I don't think that he thinks he knows more than the generals. I think he was making the point, that he would have a more aggressive policy with regards to them.


Which is what actually happened.

 

[Correll]

Can you give an example of something Trump said that was not expected to be believed?

So you are saying that Tramp is NOT to be believed when he says "believe me."

Hyperbole.

 

[edthecynic]

Can you give an example of something Trump said that was not expected to be believed?

So you are saying that Tramp is NOT to be believed when he says "believe me."

Hyperbole.

No according to YOU he is lying when he says "believe me" because if it was hyperbola then, as YOU said, it "is not expected to be believed."

Hyperbole is not expected to be believed.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I don't think that he thinks he knows more than the generals. I think he was making the point, that he would have a more aggressive policy with regards to them.


Which is what actually happened.

If it were a one time event you might have a point, but the fact that he has claimed to know more about a dozen or so thing than anyone else ever, shows that it is more than hyperbole and something he truly believes.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Can you give an example of something Trump said that was not expected to be believed?

So you are saying that Tramp is NOT to be believed when he says "believe me."

Hyperbole.

So, what you are saying is that whenever he says "believe me" we should do just the opposite?

 

[Correll]

Can you give an example of something Trump said that was not expected to be believed?

So you are saying that Tramp is NOT to be believed when he says "believe me."

Hyperbole.

No according to YOU he is lying when he says "believe me" because if it was hyperbola then, as YOU said, it "is not expected to be believed."

Hyperbole is not expected to be believed.

Just because he says "believe me" does not mean that it is not hyperbole.

 

[Correll]

I don't think that he thinks he knows more than the generals. I think he was making the point, that he would have a more aggressive policy with regards to them.


Which is what actually happened.

If it were a one time event you might have a point, but the fact that he has claimed to know more about a dozen or so thing than anyone else ever, shows that it is more than hyperbole and something he truly believes.

No, it shows that he is a massive user of hyperbole.


There is nothing in the definition of hyperbole, that limits how many times a day it can by done, or any such limiting factor.



You just made that up. Out of nothing.

 

[Correll]

Can you give an example of something Trump said that was not expected to be believed?

So you are saying that Tramp is NOT to be believed when he says "believe me."

Hyperbole.

So, what you are saying is that whenever he says "believe me" we should do just the opposite?

Your pretense of having no ability of discernment is noted and dismissed.


Stop playing silly.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I don't think that he thinks he knows more than the generals. I think he was making the point, that he would have a more aggressive policy with regards to them.


Which is what actually happened.

If it were a one time event you might have a point, but the fact that he has claimed to know more about a dozen or so thing than anyone else ever, shows that it is more than hyperbole and something he truly believes.

No, it shows that he is a massive user of hyperbole.


There is nothing in the definition of hyperbole, that limits how many times a day it can by done, or any such limiting factor.



You just made that up. Out of nothing.

Perhaps you are right and he is just not very smart so hyperbole is all that he has. A one trick pony as they say.

Let's go with that, Trump is a moron who knows 1 trick...does that seem better to you? That he is a moron vice a liar or narcissist?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Can you give an example of something Trump said that was not expected to be believed?

So you are saying that Tramp is NOT to be believed when he says "believe me."

Hyperbole.

So, what you are saying is that whenever he says "believe me" we should do just the opposite?

Your pretense of having no ability of discernment is noted and dismissed.


Stop playing silly.

you dismiss 90% of what the man says as hyperbole and I am the one playing silly games.

That would be funny if not so sad