Trump's 4% GDP growth promise update

[Correll]

I don't think that he thinks he knows more than the generals. I think he was making the point, that he would have a more aggressive policy with regards to them.


Which is what actually happened.

If it were a one time event you might have a point, but the fact that he has claimed to know more about a dozen or so thing than anyone else ever, shows that it is more than hyperbole and something he truly believes.

No, it shows that he is a massive user of hyperbole.


There is nothing in the definition of hyperbole, that limits how many times a day it can by done, or any such limiting factor.



You just made that up. Out of nothing.

Perhaps you are right and he is just not very smart so hyperbole is all that he has. A one trick pony as they say.

Let's go with that, Trump is a moron who knows 1 trick...does that seem better to you? That he is a moron vice a liar or narcissist?

I've often wondered what it says about the New York Real Estate Market/Field, that such bluster and hyperbole, seems to have worked for Trump so well so long.


I can see what it says about the state of civil discourse in our political system, that it works.


Scott Adams talked a lot in the lead up to the election, about the tools that Trump was bringing to the campaign. A lot of interesting stuff on "stacking" of tools, so to speak.


ANd IMO, it compares quite favorably to what the rest of the politicians have.

 

[Correll]

So you are saying that Tramp is NOT to be believed when he says "believe me."

Hyperbole.

So, what you are saying is that whenever he says "believe me" we should do just the opposite?

Your pretense of having no ability of discernment is noted and dismissed.


Stop playing silly.

you dismiss 90% of what the man says as hyperbole and I am the one playing silly games.

That would be funny if not so sad

I dismiss more than 90% of what all politicians say. I judge them mostly by their actions and policies.


And yes, you are the one playing games.

 

[basquebromance]

Trump's policies are a godsend for Wall Street speculators but do nothing for the middle class people who elected him

wages are going up because the people demanded it, not because Trump wanted them to go up!

 

[Correll]

Trump's policies are a godsend for Wall Street speculators but do nothing for the middle class people who elected him

wages are going up because the people demanded it, not because Trump wanted them to go up!

You increase demand and reduce supply, you are causing price to rise.

 

[edthecynic]

Can you give an example of something Trump said that was not expected to be believed?

So you are saying that Tramp is NOT to be believed when he says "believe me."

Hyperbole.

No according to YOU he is lying when he says "believe me" because if it was hyperbola then, as YOU said, it "is not expected to be believed."

Hyperbole is not expected to be believed.

Just because he says "believe me" does not mean that it is not hyperbole.

Believe me, IT IS NOT!

 

[edthecynic]

Can you give an example of something Trump said that was not expected to be believed?

So you are saying that Tramp is NOT to be believed when he says "believe me."

Hyperbole.

So, what you are saying is that whenever he says "believe me" we should do just the opposite?

Your pretense of having no ability of discernment is noted and dismissed.
Stop playing silly.

Your pretense of having no ability to discern a lie is noted and dismissed.
Stop playing silly.

 

[Correll]

So you are saying that Tramp is NOT to be believed when he says "believe me."

Hyperbole.

No according to YOU he is lying when he says "believe me" because if it was hyperbola then, as YOU said, it "is not expected to be believed."

Hyperbole is not expected to be believed.

Just because he says "believe me" does not mean that it is not hyperbole.

Believe me, IT IS NOT!

Sure it is. Do you think any reasonable person would think that a real estate guy from NYC knows more about ISIS, than the Generals who have been fighting them for years?


ON the other hand, you are serious about calling him out on "lying" about it.


That is why he is not lying, and you are. IN this example.

 

[Correll]

So you are saying that Tramp is NOT to be believed when he says "believe me."

Hyperbole.

So, what you are saying is that whenever he says "believe me" we should do just the opposite?

Your pretense of having no ability of discernment is noted and dismissed.
Stop playing silly.

Your pretense of having no ability to discern a lie is noted and dismissed.
Stop playing silly.

I'm making no such claim. I am claiming the exact opposite, in fact.

 

[edthecynic]

So you are saying that Tramp is NOT to be believed when he says "believe me."

Hyperbole.

So, what you are saying is that whenever he says "believe me" we should do just the opposite?

Your pretense of having no ability of discernment is noted and dismissed.
Stop playing silly.

Your pretense of having no ability to discern a lie is noted and dismissed.
Stop playing silly.

I'm making no such claim. I am claiming the exact opposite, in fact.

But you are lying.

 

[edthecynic]

So you are saying that Tramp is NOT to be believed when he says "believe me."

Hyperbole.

No according to YOU he is lying when he says "believe me" because if it was hyperbola then, as YOU said, it "is not expected to be believed."

Hyperbole is not expected to be believed.

Just because he says "believe me" does not mean that it is not hyperbole.

Believe me, IT IS NOT!

Sure it is. Do you think any reasonable person would think that a real estate guy from NYC knows more about ISIS, than the Generals who have been fighting them for years?


ON the other hand, you are serious about calling him out on "lying" about it.


That is why he is not lying, and you are. IN this example.

So you again admit Tramp was LYING when he said "believe me."
Thank you.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Trump's policies are a godsend for Wall Street speculators but do nothing for the middle class people who elected him

wages are going up because the people demanded it, not because Trump wanted them to go up!

Also because unemployment is so low, people need to pay more to retain or attract workers

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Hyperbole.

No according to YOU he is lying when he says "believe me" because if it was hyperbola then, as YOU said, it "is not expected to be believed."

Hyperbole is not expected to be believed.

Just because he says "believe me" does not mean that it is not hyperbole.

Believe me, IT IS NOT!

Sure it is. Do you think any reasonable person would think that a real estate guy from NYC knows more about ISIS, than the Generals who have been fighting them for years?


ON the other hand, you are serious about calling him out on "lying" about it.


That is why he is not lying, and you are. IN this example.

So you again admit Tramp was LYING when he said "believe me."
Thank you.

Hyperbole and Bravado do not equate to lies.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So you are saying that Tramp is NOT to be believed when he says "believe me."

Hyperbole.

No according to YOU he is lying when he says "believe me" because if it was hyperbola then, as YOU said, it "is not expected to be believed."

Hyperbole is not expected to be believed.

Just because he says "believe me" does not mean that it is not hyperbole.

Believe me, IT IS NOT!

Sure it is. Do you think any reasonable person would think that a real estate guy from NYC knows more about ISIS, than the Generals who have been fighting them for years?


ON the other hand, you are serious about calling him out on "lying" about it.


That is why he is not lying, and you are. IN this example.

you are correct, in his example he is not lying. When someone says something they believe to be true, it is not a lie. Trump believes he knows more than the generals.

 

[edthecynic]

When someone says something they believe to be true, it is not a lie. Trump believes he knows more than the generals.

That is the ReaganRationalization for Lying.
No, a false statement is a lie even if they are too STUPID to know it is a lie.

REAGAN (videotape, 11/13/86): We did not, repeat, did not trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we.

REAGAN (videotape, 3/4/87): A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true. But the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That is the ReaganRationalization for Lying.
No, a false statement is a lie even if they are too STUPID to know it is a lie.

REAGAN (videotape, 11/13/86): We did not, repeat, did not trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we.

REAGAN (videotape, 3/4/87): A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true. But the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.

you need to learn what a lie is.

If a kid says that the capital of Florida is Jacksonville because they think it really is, they are not lying, they are just mistaken.

There is a difference between being wrong and lying.

 

[edthecynic]

That is the ReaganRationalization for Lying.
No, a false statement is a lie even if they are too STUPID to know it is a lie.

REAGAN (videotape, 11/13/86): We did not, repeat, did not trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we.

REAGAN (videotape, 3/4/87): A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true. But the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.

you need to learn what a lie is.

If a kid says that the capital of Florida is Jacksonville because they think it really is, they are not lying, they are just mistaken.

There is a difference between being wrong and lying.

If they say "believe me Jacksonville is the capital of Florida," they are lying.

 

[Correll]

Hyperbole.

So, what you are saying is that whenever he says "believe me" we should do just the opposite?

Your pretense of having no ability of discernment is noted and dismissed.
Stop playing silly.

Your pretense of having no ability to discern a lie is noted and dismissed.
Stop playing silly.

I'm making no such claim. I am claiming the exact opposite, in fact.

But you are lying.

But, I am not.

 

[Correll]

Hyperbole.

No according to YOU he is lying when he says "believe me" because if it was hyperbola then, as YOU said, it "is not expected to be believed."

Hyperbole is not expected to be believed.

Just because he says "believe me" does not mean that it is not hyperbole.

Believe me, IT IS NOT!

Sure it is. Do you think any reasonable person would think that a real estate guy from NYC knows more about ISIS, than the Generals who have been fighting them for years?


ON the other hand, you are serious about calling him out on "lying" about it.


That is why he is not lying, and you are. IN this example.

So you again admit Tramp was LYING when he said "believe me."
Thank you.

That bit, where you pretended to forget the definition of hyperbole, AND pretended that you have no ability to discern?

That was a lie.

Trump? When he made a claim so over the top no one would reasonable believe it, was not.


I understand that you hate the guy. But your hate is making you crazy now.

 

[Correll]

No according to YOU he is lying when he says "believe me" because if it was hyperbola then, as YOU said, it "is not expected to be believed."

Just because he says "believe me" does not mean that it is not hyperbole.

Believe me, IT IS NOT!

Sure it is. Do you think any reasonable person would think that a real estate guy from NYC knows more about ISIS, than the Generals who have been fighting them for years?


ON the other hand, you are serious about calling him out on "lying" about it.


That is why he is not lying, and you are. IN this example.

So you again admit Tramp was LYING when he said "believe me."
Thank you.

Hyperbole and Bravado do not equate to lies.

They know that. But ironically, they insist they do not. Which is a lie.


You can show them that, how they are, by their very pretense of outrage over his :"lying" that they are proving that they embrace and celebrate lying,


but they have the self awareness of a potted plant and cannot hear you.


A dead potted plant.


With a learning disability.

 

[Correll]

Hyperbole.

No according to YOU he is lying when he says "believe me" because if it was hyperbola then, as YOU said, it "is not expected to be believed."

Hyperbole is not expected to be believed.

Just because he says "believe me" does not mean that it is not hyperbole.

Believe me, IT IS NOT!

Sure it is. Do you think any reasonable person would think that a real estate guy from NYC knows more about ISIS, than the Generals who have been fighting them for years?


ON the other hand, you are serious about calling him out on "lying" about it.


That is why he is not lying, and you are. IN this example.

you are correct, in his example he is not lying. When someone says something they believe to be true, it is not a lie. Trump believes he knows more than the generals.

What do you base your claim on?