Trump's 4% GDP growth promise update

You actually asked serveral questions which I answered. Yes, it is a thumbs up on the US economy. Only those NOT paying attention to the worldwide economy would think the US economy is not doing well.


My snideness was directed at Edward, who was being unclear.
This help clear it up??
State of the economy

The Fed seems poised to lower rates on July 31 even though they are close to historically low levels, retail sales continue to be strong, unemployment is around all-time lows but job growth is slowing and inflation has not been too high or too low.

However, the economy is showing signs of weakness as seen in recent PMI reports, detailed analysis of March quarter’s GDP numbers and railroad traffic making a significant downward move over the past two months. If the economy continues on this path it could enter a recession when few are forecasting one with one reliable indicator foreshadowing a downturn in the next 6 to 18 months. It could become a self-fulfilling prophecy as almost 70% of CFO’s are predicting a recession by the end of 2020.


Nope. When I ask people questions, I expect their words in answer, not cut and paste.


I could spin what you put there, either way. And I've seen too many people, post something like that, and when I guess what they meant, they pretend that they meant something else.




So, to be clear, that is a thumbs up on the economy? You know, the question I asked?
NO there is no thumbs up Our economy is headed over a cliff with this nitwit at the helm Can 70% of CEO's be wrong ?? Sure but my money would be on them before the liar in our WH You don't beg to lower rates when economy is as great as trump said it was


What is Trump's job, in relation to the economy, right now, in your opinion?
Get a deal with China and stop a good pat of America from bleeding How many billions to farmers ? Some might call that a bribe And what of all the others hurt with his tariff crap?? And in closing you only want the words coming from me ?? Sorry , years ago I recognized I'm not on the highest limb of the tree ,,,Close but not there yet
 
My snideness was directed at Edward, who was being unclear.
This help clear it up??
State of the economy

The Fed seems poised to lower rates on July 31 even though they are close to historically low levels, retail sales continue to be strong, unemployment is around all-time lows but job growth is slowing and inflation has not been too high or too low.

However, the economy is showing signs of weakness as seen in recent PMI reports, detailed analysis of March quarter’s GDP numbers and railroad traffic making a significant downward move over the past two months. If the economy continues on this path it could enter a recession when few are forecasting one with one reliable indicator foreshadowing a downturn in the next 6 to 18 months. It could become a self-fulfilling prophecy as almost 70% of CFO’s are predicting a recession by the end of 2020.


Nope. When I ask people questions, I expect their words in answer, not cut and paste.


I could spin what you put there, either way. And I've seen too many people, post something like that, and when I guess what they meant, they pretend that they meant something else.




So, to be clear, that is a thumbs up on the economy? You know, the question I asked?
NO there is no thumbs up Our economy is headed over a cliff with this nitwit at the helm Can 70% of CEO's be wrong ?? Sure but my money would be on them before the liar in our WH You don't beg to lower rates when economy is as great as trump said it was


What is Trump's job, in relation to the economy, right now, in your opinion?
Get a deal with China and stop a good pat of America from bleeding How many billions to farmers ? Some might call that a bribe And what of all the others hurt with his tariff crap?? And in closing you only want the words coming from me ?? Sorry , years ago I recognized I'm not on the highest limb of the tree ,,,Close but not there yet

Do you think that talking down the US economy, would contribute to that?
 
This help clear it up??
State of the economy

The Fed seems poised to lower rates on July 31 even though they are close to historically low levels, retail sales continue to be strong, unemployment is around all-time lows but job growth is slowing and inflation has not been too high or too low.

However, the economy is showing signs of weakness as seen in recent PMI reports, detailed analysis of March quarter’s GDP numbers and railroad traffic making a significant downward move over the past two months. If the economy continues on this path it could enter a recession when few are forecasting one with one reliable indicator foreshadowing a downturn in the next 6 to 18 months. It could become a self-fulfilling prophecy as almost 70% of CFO’s are predicting a recession by the end of 2020.


Nope. When I ask people questions, I expect their words in answer, not cut and paste.


I could spin what you put there, either way. And I've seen too many people, post something like that, and when I guess what they meant, they pretend that they meant something else.




So, to be clear, that is a thumbs up on the economy? You know, the question I asked?
NO there is no thumbs up Our economy is headed over a cliff with this nitwit at the helm Can 70% of CEO's be wrong ?? Sure but my money would be on them before the liar in our WH You don't beg to lower rates when economy is as great as trump said it was


What is Trump's job, in relation to the economy, right now, in your opinion?
Get a deal with China and stop a good pat of America from bleeding How many billions to farmers ? Some might call that a bribe And what of all the others hurt with his tariff crap?? And in closing you only want the words coming from me ?? Sorry , years ago I recognized I'm not on the highest limb of the tree ,,,Close but not there yet

Do you think that talking down the US economy, would contribute to that?
Certainly not but do things to strengthen not weaken and please tell the moron to stop going around pounding his chest as if he's the reason the sun comes up in the morning
 
And I hate to use anothers words BUT it was said in referring to our economy "we're the best house in a bad neighborhood"
 
Nope. When I ask people questions, I expect their words in answer, not cut and paste.


I could spin what you put there, either way. And I've seen too many people, post something like that, and when I guess what they meant, they pretend that they meant something else.




So, to be clear, that is a thumbs up on the economy? You know, the question I asked?
NO there is no thumbs up Our economy is headed over a cliff with this nitwit at the helm Can 70% of CEO's be wrong ?? Sure but my money would be on them before the liar in our WH You don't beg to lower rates when economy is as great as trump said it was


What is Trump's job, in relation to the economy, right now, in your opinion?
Get a deal with China and stop a good pat of America from bleeding How many billions to farmers ? Some might call that a bribe And what of all the others hurt with his tariff crap?? And in closing you only want the words coming from me ?? Sorry , years ago I recognized I'm not on the highest limb of the tree ,,,Close but not there yet

Do you think that talking down the US economy, would contribute to that?
Certainly not but do things to strengthen not weaken and please tell the moron to stop going around pounding his chest as if he's the reason the sun comes up in the morning



If talking the economy DOWN is bad, would talking it UP, possibly be helpful?
 
NO there is no thumbs up Our economy is headed over a cliff with this nitwit at the helm Can 70% of CEO's be wrong ?? Sure but my money would be on them before the liar in our WH You don't beg to lower rates when economy is as great as trump said it was


What is Trump's job, in relation to the economy, right now, in your opinion?
Get a deal with China and stop a good pat of America from bleeding How many billions to farmers ? Some might call that a bribe And what of all the others hurt with his tariff crap?? And in closing you only want the words coming from me ?? Sorry , years ago I recognized I'm not on the highest limb of the tree ,,,Close but not there yet

Do you think that talking down the US economy, would contribute to that?
Certainly not but do things to strengthen not weaken and please tell the moron to stop going around pounding his chest as if he's the reason the sun comes up in the morning



If talking the economy DOWN is bad, would talking it UP, possibly be helpful?
Yes you're 100%,,, but not talk it up to an unreasonable degree Thank God for our great companies
 
Do have to hand it to him if he puts tariffs on French wine as payback for them taxing our companies
 
Do have to hand it to him if he puts tariffs on French wine as payback for them taxing our companies
But on the other hand he won't give AAPL a break on tariffs on stuff made in China Said to make them in America Think that will cause prices to rise?
 
2.1%.

More Trump failure.

Pathetic.

Sad.

Low Energy.

Everyone agrees!
 
What is Trump's job, in relation to the economy, right now, in your opinion?
Get a deal with China and stop a good pat of America from bleeding How many billions to farmers ? Some might call that a bribe And what of all the others hurt with his tariff crap?? And in closing you only want the words coming from me ?? Sorry , years ago I recognized I'm not on the highest limb of the tree ,,,Close but not there yet

Do you think that talking down the US economy, would contribute to that?
Certainly not but do things to strengthen not weaken and please tell the moron to stop going around pounding his chest as if he's the reason the sun comes up in the morning



If talking the economy DOWN is bad, would talking it UP, possibly be helpful?
Yes you're 100%,,, but not talk it up to an unreasonable degree Thank God for our great companies


Trump uses hyperbole all the time. EVERYONE has noticed this. Even those that pretend to be upset about his hyperbole.


So, to be clear, "talking it up", is something all Presidents do.


When the economy is good, they talk it up, hoping to encourage even more economic activity.


When it is bad, they talk it up to encourage more economic activity.


When it is so so, they talk it up, to encourage more economic activity.



Trump is being almost completely normal here.
 
Get a deal with China and stop a good pat of America from bleeding How many billions to farmers ? Some might call that a bribe And what of all the others hurt with his tariff crap?? And in closing you only want the words coming from me ?? Sorry , years ago I recognized I'm not on the highest limb of the tree ,,,Close but not there yet

Do you think that talking down the US economy, would contribute to that?
Certainly not but do things to strengthen not weaken and please tell the moron to stop going around pounding his chest as if he's the reason the sun comes up in the morning



If talking the economy DOWN is bad, would talking it UP, possibly be helpful?
Yes you're 100%,,, but not talk it up to an unreasonable degree Thank God for our great companies


Trump uses hyperbole all the time. EVERYONE has noticed this. Even those that pretend to be upset about his hyperbole.


So, to be clear, "talking it up", is something all Presidents do.


When the economy is good, they talk it up, hoping to encourage even more economic activity.


When it is bad, they talk it up to encourage more economic activity.


When it is so so, they talk it up, to encourage more economic activity.



Trump is being almost completely normal here.

No, there is nothing "normal"; going on here.

What we have is an incompetent bozo making promises he can't deliver on in a desperate attempt to save his failing so-called presidency.
 
Oh shit, another blast from the past thread started by an anti-Trumper.
How imaginative.....
 
Maybe he has been counting/hoping on easing from the fed. like Obama, got
Rates were NEVER lowered by the FED under Obama, just another Trumpian LIE, but you knew that already.

When Obama took office the rate was 0.15, it got as low as 0.07 under Obama, so it did get lowered under Obama
As you can see from the link directly from the FED, the FED last lowered the rate Dec 16, 2008, Obama was not president then. the next change in FED rate was Dec 17, 2015 and that was an INCREASE.
Are you possibly confusing the rate with effective yield?
Federal Reserve Board - Open Market Operations
 
Trump uses hyperbole all the time.
Hyperbole is PC for LYING, and pathological lying scum POS Tramp claims he is NOT PC.
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Once President Trump signs the budget deal that was passed by the House on Thursday and is expected to be approved by the Senate in a few days, he will have added $4.1 trillion to the national debt, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. The total national debt surpassed $22 trillion in February.

This will mark the third time that a major piece of deficit-financed legislation will get Trump’s stamp of approval. Legislation Trump has so far signed since 2017 has added $2.4 trillion to the national debt through 2029, according to CRFB, a nonpartisan public policy group.

Many investors are worried about the ballooning national debt, with 54% naming the political environment and 47% viewing national debt as their top concerns, according to a UBS second-quarter investor sentiment survey. Tax and spending policy are the main reasons for the national debt expansion from 2017 to 2029, according to CRFB.

The biggest contributor to the $4.1 trillion that will be added to the national debt through 2029 is the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. This signature tax cut legislation signed by Trump in 2017 single-handedly increased the debt by $1.8 trillion, according to CRFB.

“If you were to extend all the expiring provisions from the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, it would be about a trillion more on top of that, so it’s hugely expensive,” says CRFB’s senior vice president Marc Goldwein. “Some of this is done on a partisan basis, some of this is done on a bipartisan basis. But it’s all part of a culture of no longer worrying about how we’re going to pay for things and just assuming that future generations are going to cover the bill.”

The budget deal that was passed last year added $445 billion to the national debt. And when he signs the 2019 Bipartisan Budget Act after it goes to the Senate next week, Trump will make spending increases in the legislation permanent, growing the national debt by $1.7 trillion through 2029.

The remaining $155 billion of debt added during Trump’s first term comes from other legislation, including disaster relief, emergency spending bills, and delays in three Affordable Care Act taxes, according to CRFB.


Impact to GDP

U.S. GDP growth fell to 2.1% in the second quarter. CRFB estimates that the new budget deal will bring debt to 97% of GDP in 2029 once that $4.1 trillion figure is added to the existing $16.2 trillion in debt and $9.8 trillion projected to be borrowed over the next 10 years.

“We are the most powerful economy in the world and we’re the world’s reserve currency and we borrow at our own currency. And for those three reasons we’re not going to default on our debt, but that doesn’t mean that we can borrow without consequences,” says Goldwein.

The ballooning national debt will cause GDP growth to slow down further, he says. “The more we borrow, the more we have to count on capital from abroad, or else no capital at all to fund our investments and the slower growth is going to be over time. We’re already headed towards 2% growth on the current basis, and the higher our debt is, the lower that will be.”
 
Do you think that talking down the US economy, would contribute to that?
Certainly not but do things to strengthen not weaken and please tell the moron to stop going around pounding his chest as if he's the reason the sun comes up in the morning



If talking the economy DOWN is bad, would talking it UP, possibly be helpful?
Yes you're 100%,,, but not talk it up to an unreasonable degree Thank God for our great companies


Trump uses hyperbole all the time. EVERYONE has noticed this. Even those that pretend to be upset about his hyperbole.


So, to be clear, "talking it up", is something all Presidents do.


When the economy is good, they talk it up, hoping to encourage even more economic activity.


When it is bad, they talk it up to encourage more economic activity.


When it is so so, they talk it up, to encourage more economic activity.



Trump is being almost completely normal here.

No, there is nothing "normal"; going on here.

What we have is an incompetent bozo making promises he can't deliver on in a desperate attempt to save his failing so-called presidency.


The only thing there not spin, was your point that he made promises that he can't deliver on.


I take it you are new to this planet? Cause, I got some news for you, about ALL THE OTHER POLITICIANS.


Like I said. Completely ******* normal.
 
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Donald Trump promised 4.0% GDP growth a year.

Updated - Trump-O-Meter: Grow the economy by 4 percent a year

In 2018, he fell short with 3.2% growth.

It's still early in 2019, so all we have is estimates of first quarter growth. In order for the economy to stay on track to 4% growth, Q1 must be at least /approximately 4%.


So far things don't look good at all. Economist Diane Swonk said yesterday that Q1 growth could be 1.5%:

GDP growth for the first quarter could slip below 1-1/2% if shutdown endures through the end of the week.

Diane Swonk on Twitter
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It looks like Trump wildly exaggerated the results he could achieve.

There will never be 4% growth under dotard. Every quarter since he assumed the budget in October 2017 has been revised down.
 
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