Trumpism: This is what PUSHBACK looks like

[Mac1958]

Today's Democrat candidates, have absolutely NOTHING in common with Kennedy or Clinton. No offense to you Mac, but the only reason the GOP appears so far right is, the Left has made it appear that the center is the ground they reside on!

The Democratic Party has clearly moved to the Left at a pace and degree that I'd never thought I'd see.

I wouldn't really say that the GOP has moved to the Right. It's moved into some kind of Trumpworld, which looks like its own territory. It has done an about-face on fiscal conservatism, war, and corporations, pretty much overnight, so keeping track of a direction isn't very easy.
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[JoeB131]

The Democratic Party has clearly moved to the Left at a pace and degree that I'd never thought I'd see.

Not really. But you keep saying that.. despite the evidence.

FDR was far more left than Bernie was.

 

[Norman]

Today's Democrat candidates, have absolutely NOTHING in common with Kennedy or Clinton. No offense to you Mac, but the only reason the GOP appears so far right is, the Left has made it appear that the center is the ground they reside on!

The Democratic Party has clearly moved to the Left at a pace and degree that I'd never thought I'd see.

I wouldn't really say that the GOP has moved to the Right. It's moved into some kind of Trumpworld, which looks like its own territory. It has done an about-face on fiscal conservatism, war, and corporations, pretty much overnight, so keeping track of a direction isn't very easy.
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The Trumpian party stands for America above all else. During bad times, it is something all Americans can agree on putting self interest on hold.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The GOP has been very good at using racism, sexism
so have the democrats....

I notice you avoided the whole sentence in context... Thanks, buddy. You go with that.

thats because what i said is true.....both use that....maybe you just cant see that in that party you like...

 

[Oddball]

Bill Clinton was moderate, so wrong again nimrod!

Also Sanders could not beat Hillary in 2016, so he will lose to Trump because Purple and Red States do not want his Trotsky version of Amerika!

Clinton was a political wind sock....Whatever the polls said, that was the position that he was going to take....His only philosophy was to be liked by as many people as possible.

 

[imawhosure]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a ******* thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

I warned about it long before Trump came down the elevator. I just didn't know how strong it would be.

June 23, 2013:

Always nice to see pushback against the PC Police.

November 14, 2015:

Spin & deflect for the PC-Protected religion, and you'll get the pushback you deserve. Tough shit. Be responsible for your words.

July 27, 2013:

Looks like the PC Police are seeing that their phony "you're a racist" schtick isn't scaring some folks like it used to. It's still relatively effective, but the pushback is getting stronger. Hopefully the momentum will continue, and they'll have to actually engage in intellectually honest conversation for a change.

This doesn't mean that the Democrats will lose in November. I sure don't know. But I think I do understand this.

Sources:
Post 199: Should Dean's life be ruined for saying the N-word 30-40-50 years ago?
Post 49: The French people have some serious balls
Post 135: How Obama Poisoned Race Relations in America

I believe that is incorrect. tRumpism is the last gasp of the "old white guy" demographic. Without the Russian assistance and Comey torpedoing the Clinton campaign days before the election he never would have happened.

He's an aberration.

As an old white guy I was thinking the other day of what the hell trump has really done for the old white guy. Nothing for me. I had welcomed his tax plan, well I became self employed last year and made about the same as an employee and faithfully sent in 24% of my income for quarterly taxes and once a little more. So with all my deductions and the so called pass through for self employment ended up writing a check to IRS for $6200 over and above the $22,000 I had already paid through the year. BTW I am 72 still working and can see nothing trump has for me. Not to mention he mentioned in Davos revamping Medicare next year.

So what has Trump done for the old white guy? As far as I can see nothing and may leave them hanging on Medicare down the road. I said may because we all know he changes his mind more than he eats big macs.

I guess the old white guy is voting for trump for one reason and it must be to keep the U.S. white and after the 2020 census election may be close. Gotta be the only reason because most of the white guys I know don't make as much as me and really quite a bit less, have no IRA's or 401K's which by the way have to start taking minimum distributions by my age. Know a lot of old white guys with spouses making under $30,000 a year that voted for him and love him, I ask why?

I will vote this time for any candidate the dems put up.

Well, I will bite on this one----------------> for me, the question isn't what you paid, but rather what WOULD you have paid without the new rules.

Personally, I think YOU pay to many taxes. I believe everyone should pay something to have skin in the game. Leftists won't allow that though, because if they did, whenever tax rates rise, the 49% that vote for them would get a bill too!

 

[debbiedowner]

The dumb assed race card is over used. Your side has cried racism at every occasion. Is that all ewe have? The race card? I pity ewe.

Denying racism doesn't make it go away... or make you less racist.

It's not just identity BS. It is globalism, elitism, centralism etc.

And of course Americans being in control of the nation. It's no accident that Trump's signature chant is "Build the wall!".

Which only shows how stupid his followers are, since most immigrants - even the undocumented ones - come in through legal means.

Build the wall is more symbolism. The message is to shut the border closed before the people who are not American.

The Democrat party cannot admit they lost. They cannot admit that conservatism is alive and well. If they did that, it would knock the wind out of their voters sails. A good percentage of their voters are lazy. They don't really care about voting. It's the real reason they were (and are) fighting against Voter-ID.

So by your logic, they are too lazy to vote, but you want to put up obstacles to keep them from voting?

Why, that makes about as much sense as complaining about big government welfare programs while collecting disability!

Instead, lie to their constituents, and tell them they really won, it's just that those crafty Republicans once again found a way to cheat them out of their win. Democrat voters are not very bright people. They can't see the pattern:

Hillary won by 3 million votes. Invoking a technicality did not make it any less of a scam.

Dude, when democrat party is importing voters to subvert the will of the American people - the first question should whether we should have any voting at all. I certainly do not mind one bit if obstacles are put in the way. This is not a democracy.

I can't believe anyone still believes that shit.

That's a fact, that's how. People who appreciate the truth believe facts.

You definitely are full a fake facts made up in your mind from reading internet shit.

 

[debbiedowner]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a ******* thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

I warned about it long before Trump came down the elevator. I just didn't know how strong it would be.

June 23, 2013:

Always nice to see pushback against the PC Police.

November 14, 2015:

Spin & deflect for the PC-Protected religion, and you'll get the pushback you deserve. Tough shit. Be responsible for your words.

July 27, 2013:

Looks like the PC Police are seeing that their phony "you're a racist" schtick isn't scaring some folks like it used to. It's still relatively effective, but the pushback is getting stronger. Hopefully the momentum will continue, and they'll have to actually engage in intellectually honest conversation for a change.

This doesn't mean that the Democrats will lose in November. I sure don't know. But I think I do understand this.

Sources:
Post 199: Should Dean's life be ruined for saying the N-word 30-40-50 years ago?
Post 49: The French people have some serious balls
Post 135: How Obama Poisoned Race Relations in America

I believe that is incorrect. tRumpism is the last gasp of the "old white guy" demographic. Without the Russian assistance and Comey torpedoing the Clinton campaign days before the election he never would have happened.

He's an aberration.

As an old white guy I was thinking the other day of what the hell trump has really done for the old white guy. Nothing for me. I had welcomed his tax plan, well I became self employed last year and made about the same as an employee and faithfully sent in 24% of my income for quarterly taxes and once a little more. So with all my deductions and the so called pass through for self employment ended up writing a check to IRS for $6200 over and above the $22,000 I had already paid through the year. BTW I am 72 still working and can see nothing trump has for me. Not to mention he mentioned in Davos revamping Medicare next year.

So what has Trump done for the old white guy? As far as I can see nothing and may leave them hanging on Medicare down the road. I said may because we all know he changes his mind more than he eats big macs.

I guess the old white guy is voting for trump for one reason and it must be to keep the U.S. white and after the 2020 census election may be close. Gotta be the only reason because most of the white guys I know don't make as much as me and really quite a bit less, have no IRA's or 401K's which by the way have to start taking minimum distributions by my age. Know a lot of old white guys with spouses making under $30,000 a year that voted for him and love him, I ask why?

I will vote this time for any candidate the dems put up.

Well, I will bite on this one----------------> for me, the question isn't what you paid, but rather what WOULD you have paid without the new rules.

Personally, I think YOU pay to many taxes. I believe everyone should pay something to have skin in the game. Leftists won't allow that though, because if they did, whenever tax rates rise, the 49% that vote for them would get a bill too!

I did pay without the new rules, the year before at damn near same income $18,000 and not near the deductions I had once I went from employee to self employed.

 

[imawhosure]

I agree with you 100%, except for the fact, Trump did NOT break the law, at least as far as anyone proving it.

Of course he did.

By your logic, Clinton didn't get a blow job, because they didn't "prove" it.

LOL, he lied, that is why he got impeached. He didn't get impeached because he got a blow job! It is also why he had to give up his law license for I believe, 10 yrs...……..or maybe it was 5.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Again, they tried that in the South, with "literacy" tests that blacks always seemed to fail but Billy Bob Cracker always passed.

The thing is, making voting difficult is discriminatory. Being able to vote when you are white and affluent is easy. Most of us work at places where we can take the time off to register and vote and even volunteer to campaign. Poor people can't take the time off of work, often don't have the resources to register or get an ID.

It's just the opposite actually. Poor people have a lot of time on their hands compared to the white working person who is putting in 8 or more hours a day. If ID is discriminatory, it's against the working people, not the poor. In most states, you can get an ID at the DMV, or where you register to vote. It's not that difficult, it's a cheap excuse for the real reason they are against it.

Because more often than not, they can't get an ID easily.

For instance, if you have to move frequently due to economic reasons, getting a new ID every time you move isn't practical.

You have to do the same with your drivers license, change your address with the post office, get the states license plates......

Basic human decency, but I don't think you understand that concept.

Seriously, this is your argument, that a president would withhold aid from a state because not enough people live there?

Hey, True Story.. the main reason why Bush was done after Katrina was because of his incompetence. The states he FAILED to help still ended up in the Republican column, but his incompetence pretty much doomed the GOP in the 2006 midterms and McCain's efforts.

He tried to help, it's the leftist governor who refused his help. If you challenge me on that, I have a mic slip from the Governor herself stating so. I'll post it if you like. They had plenty of warning to get the hell out of there, but they sat on their hands.

 

[candycorn]

Without a doubt.

The taunting from the left on the result of the ekection started BEFORE the election.

Lots of demographic data, we'll not see another republican president in our lifetimes, etc, etc.

The smug sense of superiority and that they were in control so everyone else could just sit down and STFU is not something I have forgotten. They believed it, all the way up to their candidate who thought she had it in the bag. All laughing at Trump, ridiculing the "deplorables" merrily counting their chickens while ignoring the discontent because they thought they had the luxury of marginalizing and simply telling ~50% of the population to STFU, apprently not realizing they had to actually win the election before showing their true colors.


Oopsie. Lol.

The illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left -- the people in control of a pretty large swath of the party -- refuse to acknowledge their part in Trump's win.
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They can't, as by doing so they would have had admit their policies are part of the problem. That they failed. That they lost. That they might have to rethink things.

Hence the rest of the noise on "cheating" "we actually won" blah, blah, blah.

Here's the rub for them. This has resulted in what we are seeing now on the left. The messaging that they didn't actually lose to avoid taking responsibilty, led to the belief that it was true, which led to inaction on the reasons underpinning their loss, which has led them to continue down the same path.

They're very, very literally doing this to themselves.

For me, personally, this is hilarious. It is right in plain sight and they cannot, will not, see it, as doing so is admitting they were wrong, while not doing so and continuing on their path is self defeating.

They are fighting themselves- and losing. Lol.

The Democrat party cannot admit they lost. They cannot admit that conservatism is alive and well. If they did that, it would knock the wind out of their voters sails. A good percentage of their voters are lazy. They don't really care about voting. It's the real reason they were (and are) fighting against Voter-ID.

Instead, lie to their constituents, and tell them they really won, it's just that those crafty Republicans once again found a way to cheat them out of their win. Democrat voters are not very bright people. They can't see the pattern:

Trump win--Russian collusion, Comey announced re-opening of investigation.
Bush reelection--Diebold machines.
Bush first election--Punch card ballots, Supreme Court, Brother was Governor............
Republican takeover of the House in 2010--Gerrymandering, Voter-ID.

When was the last time the Democrat party ever announced "We did something wrong. We need to work on our policies." I can't recall such a time.

1992 (for one). Keynote address, DNC

1992 Democratic Keynote Address - July 13, 1992

Excerpt:

“We will change from a party with a reputation of tax and spend to one of investment and growth. A growth economy is a must. We can expand the economy and at the same time sustain and even improve our environment. When the economy is growing and we are treating our air, water and soil kindly, all of us prosper. We all benefit from economic expansion.”

What does this have to do with the price of rice in China? I said name me one time the Democrat party stated they lost fairly, and needed to change their policies. They've been on the global warming wagon for over 30 years now.

it answered your question at the end of the post I responded to.

the question was when was the last time a dem said “
”We need to work on our policies.”

 

[Olde Europe]

Democrats can't even get LEGAL Hispanics to come out and vote in higher percentages.... they simply do not come out and vote like all other sectors of voters.... even South Pacifickers, and Native Americans, and Asian Americans vote in higher percentages than Hispanics!

As of 2018 that seems to be changing...

... as Latino turnout almost doubled compared to the previous midterm election...

... which has the Goobers running scared, and redoubling their disenfranchisement efforts.

 

[Desperado]

if Bernie is the candidate than it will be a worse defeat than McGovern in 72. Running Bernie against Trump is like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What does this have to do with the price of rice in China? I said name me one time the Democrat party stated they lost fairly, and needed to change their policies. They've been on the global warming wagon for over 30 years now.

Um, yeah, because the world is still warming due to human activity.

Used to be, Science wasn't a partisan issue.

It used to be science was not a political issue either, but look what the Democrats have done to it.

 

[Care4all]

Democrats can't even get LEGAL Hispanics to come out and vote in higher percentages.... they simply do not come out and vote like all other sectors of voters.... even South Pacifickers, and Native Americans, and Asian Americans vote in higher percentages than Hispanics!

As of 2018 that seems to be changing...

... as Latino turnout almost doubled compared to the previous midterm election...

... which has the Goobers running scared, and redoubling their disenfranchisement efforts.

it's improving!!!

but still piss poor compared to the percentage of white and black eligible voter turn out.....

 

[Norman]

What does this have to do with the price of rice in China? I said name me one time the Democrat party stated they lost fairly, and needed to change their policies. They've been on the global warming wagon for over 30 years now.

Um, yeah, because the world is still warming due to human activity.

Used to be, Science wasn't a partisan issue.

It used to be science was not a political issue either, but look what the Democrats have done to it.

They poison everything they touch. The primary function of everything has to be their politics and not whatever it actually is.

 

[imawhosure]

The Democratic Party has clearly moved to the Left at a pace and degree that I'd never thought I'd see.

Not really. But you keep saying that.. despite the evidence.

FDR was far more left than Bernie was.

See Joe, I think you mistake the thought process--------------->

You might be correct, FDR might have been further Left than Bernie. But how far Left did FDR take us? Well, a loooooooong way when you measure it from where we were as a country, but Americans said ok as it wasn't actual Socialism. It just put Socialist programs in place.

Now Bernie's push may not move us as far to the Left in distance as FDR did, but it actually crosses the rubicon, and Americans don't want to go there.

The best example I can think of is----------------->we go from full size cars to crackerboxes that still have engines. Bernie wants to go from crackerboxes to motor scooters that still have engines, and Americans are seeing it as a bridge to far.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What does this have to do with the price of rice in China? I said name me one time the Democrat party stated they lost fairly, and needed to change their policies. They've been on the global warming wagon for over 30 years now.

Um, yeah, because the world is still warming due to human activity.

Used to be, Science wasn't a partisan issue.

It used to be science was not a political issue either, but look what the Democrats have done to it.

They poison everything they touch. The primary function of everything has to be their politics and not whatever it actually is.

Of course that's the 100% truth.

The Democrats are control freaks. They want to control every aspect of our lives. The only two things stopping them from total control is their inability to take over healthcare and energy. Once they have total control over those two entities, they will have the ability to have total control over all of us.

However in our system of government, they can't just take over these things. They need to have the people beg them to take over it. So they scare people with global warming nonsense, and make healthcare so expensive many can't afford it.

 

[Norman]

The Democratic Party has clearly moved to the Left at a pace and degree that I'd never thought I'd see.

Not really. But you keep saying that.. despite the evidence.

FDR was far more left than Bernie was.

See Joe, I think you mistake the thought process--------------->

You might be correct, FDR might have been further Left than Bernie. But how far Left did FDR take us? Well, a loooooooong way when you measure it from where we were as a country, but Americans said ok as it wasn't actual Socialism. It just put Socialist programs in place.

Now Bernie's push may not move us as far to the Left in distance as FDR did, but it actually crosses the rubicon, and Americans don't want to go there.

The best example I can think of is----------------->we go from full size cars to crackerboxes that still have engines. Bernie wants to go from crackerboxes to motor scooters that still have engines, and Americans are seeing it as a bridge to far.

JoeB IS a socialist. He always lies.

During FDR America was what would be considered "far right" today. Think taxes cut 50 percent across the board.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

if Bernie is the candidate than it will be a worse defeat than McGovern in 72. Running Bernie against Trump is like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

To be honest, I don't think anybody on the left stands a chance if our economy continues in this direction. In most polls, people place jobs and income as their top priorities.