Trump will announce end of birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, officials say

[beagle9]

Yes, I agree. But birthright citizenship is a federal matter, not the states in anyway whatsover.

It was a mistake or misinterpretation for nefarious reasons, and therefore it is subject to be changed to be properly understood. Stay tuned.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It was a mistake or misinterpretation for nefarious reasons, and therefore it is subject to be changed to be properly understood. Stay tuned.

Not on states' interests in the slightest.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

OK, so then I think your assumption of the meaning is wrong.

Since NONE of the amendments come with a glossary of terms, then none of it has any meaning but what the current generation decides. Congratulations on having ever changing rights.

It depends on what meaning of is is!

The definition is centuries old. You just are ignorant of that fact.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

show me the amendment that gives the federal government the complete authority over the states.

It is the suprema y clause. Have you ever read the Constitution? That's a 9th grade question when I taught the subject.

 

[Rawley]

Have there been scientific studies showing the benefits of FGM?

Because there have been studies showing the benefits of GAC.

Well Europe looks at those "studies" and concluded they were full of shit and banned puberty blockers and surgery on minors.

 

[JoeB131]

Really? So you're saying what they intended doesn't matter? So we can ignore the context behind every article and law?

Pretty much.

If they wanted to exclude the children of foreigners and immigrants, they should have excluded children of foreigners.

Period.

They didn't. Probably because at the time, they were trying to encourage immigration, not limit it. They just stole all this land from Mexico and the Native Americans and needed someone to settle it.

 

[JoeB131]

Well Europe looks at those "studies" and concluded they were full of shit and banned puberty blockers and surgery on minors.

Well, "Europe" did nothing of the sort.

A conservative government in the UK did, but that government has gotten voted out, and you can pretty much be assured doctors will be allowed to do their jobs again.

 

[WorldWatcher]

What gets me sometimes is people want to impart their motivations for today, on something created 150 years ago. Do judge the actions and outcomes then, you have to judge in terms of the context of the time.

I present a representation of how immigration was viewed in the latter 1800's.

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Don't get me wrong, I acknowledge that times have changed, that it's time to reexamine jus soli as it pertains to those present in the country against out laws. I support amending the Constitution, but there is a process for that. EO's are not that process.

WW

 

[JoeB131]

What gets me sometimes is people want to impart their motivations for today, on something created 150 years ago. Do judge the actions and outcomes then, you have to judge in terms of the context of the time.

I present a representation of how immigration was viewed in the latter 1800's.

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Don't get me wrong, I acknowledge that times have changed, that it's time to reexamine jus soli as it pertains to those present in the country against out laws. I support amending the Constitution, but there is a process for that. EO's are not that process.

WW

Actually, this sounds like a solution in search of a problem.


How many people are we actually talking about here.

I've heard the number bandied about that 225,000 birthright citizenship cases born to undocumented immigrants each year.

 

[Rawley]

Well, "Europe" did nothing of the sort.

A conservative government in the UK did, but that government has gotten voted out, and you can pretty much be assured doctors will be allowed to do their jobs again.

Finland, Sweden, Denmark, France, the Netherlands, England all banned puberty blockers for children.

Quite frightening how you loon media keep you cultists so ignorant.

 

[JoeB131]

Finland, Sweden, Denmark, France, the Netherlands, England all banned puberty blockers for children.

Quite frightening how you loon media keep you cultists so ignorant.

So Not "Europe", just the UK and a few other countries. Maybe. I'm really not going to waste my time on double checking your false claims.

Only a matter of time before they reverse course. Shit, Sweden invented GAC.

 

[Rawley]

So Not "Europe", just the UK and a few other countries. Maybe. I'm really not going to waste my time on double checking your false claims.

cc me on your stern letters to all of these publications, K?

Why Western Europe is rolling back access to puberty blockers

Several countries have restricted the use of puberty blockers, citing insufficient evidence on their benefits for gender-questioning youth and potential long-term effects.

www.euronews.com

As Europe bans puberty blockers, Canada doubles down on transgender treatments for kids

England is the latest country to conclude there isn't enough evidence puberty blockers are safe for kids with gender dysphoria

nationalpost.com

Increasing Number Of European Nations Adopt A More Cautious Approach To Gender-Affirming Care Among Minors

For several years, Europe has been moving in a different direction from the U.S., as Europeans exercise greater restraint when treating children with gender dysphoria.

www.forbes.com

Europe and the Puberty Blocker Debate

England is undergoing a seismic shift in its approach to managing gender dysphoria in children. The move is part of a wider reconsideration of the evidence.

www.medscape.com

Only a matter of time before they reverse course. Shit, Sweden invented GAC.

It's been four years Mengele. There is no valid science supporting your sick obsession with experimenting on children.

 

[JoeB131]

me on your stern letters to all of these publications, K?

Well, the UK will probably reverse course now that the Labor is back in charge.

It's been four years Mengele. There is no valid science supporting your sick obsession with experimenting on children.

Actually, there's a whole lot of science proving the value of GAC

The benefits of gender-affirming care

Together, we can make health care inclusive for trans youth

sph.washington.edu

Gender-affirming Care Saves Lives

Growing legislative attempts to limit, ban, or criminalize access to this critical model of medical care endangers the health and well-being of transgender and nonbinary youth.

www.columbiapsychiatry.org

Study Finds Long-Term Mental Health Benefits of Gender-Affirming Surgery for Transgender Individuals

The American Journal of Psychiatry has published an erratum notice after conducting a statistical analysis that was prompted by letters questioning the methodology of “Reduction in Mental Health Treatment Utilization Among Transgender Individuals After Gender-Affirming Surgeries: A Total...

www.psychiatry.org

 

[Rawley]

Well, the UK will probably reverse course now that the Labor is back in charge.



Actually, there's a whole lot of science proving the value of GAC

The benefits of gender-affirming care

Together, we can make health care inclusive for trans youth

sph.washington.edu

Gender-affirming Care Saves Lives

Growing legislative attempts to limit, ban, or criminalize access to this critical model of medical care endangers the health and well-being of transgender and nonbinary youth.

www.columbiapsychiatry.org

Study Finds Long-Term Mental Health Benefits of Gender-Affirming Surgery for Transgender Individuals

The American Journal of Psychiatry has published an erratum notice after conducting a statistical analysis that was prompted by letters questioning the methodology of “Reduction in Mental Health Treatment Utilization Among Transgender Individuals After Gender-Affirming Surgeries: A Total...

www.psychiatry.org

No one is saying that these mentally disturbed children should not receive psychiatric help (GAC). What most advanced countries have concluded is that there is that the science does not support your surgical and puberty blocker experimentation on these children.

 

[ThisIsMe]

This was true then in 1789, and now in 235 years has been amended and interpreted to weaken considerably the 10th.

The 10th hasn't been weakened. 99% of the things our government does is simply unconstitutional.. what you said is actually one of the problems. We've allowed politics, in the form of president's vying for scotus picks that align with their agenda, to "interpret, away the original meaning of the cotus.

The cotus is not a living and breathing document. It's that kind of thought that got us where we are today.


The problem with partisan interpretations is that it has bad effects depending on who controls the scotus.

Article IV

www.law.cornell.edu

The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,

Does this mean that the scotus can interpret this to mean that democrats can never control the government?

 

[otto105]

The question is ARE THEY PEOPLE FROM THE UNITED STATES??

14TH was for slaves not Mexicans

It was for all people born in borders of country.

 

[JoeB131]

No one is saying that these mentally disturbed children should not receive psychiatric help (GAC). What most advanced countries have concluded is that there is that the science does not support your surgical and puberty blocker experimentation on these children.

NOpe, they are just playing politics.

Science says that GAC is beneficial.

 

[ThisIsMe]

It depends on what meaning of is is!

The definition is centuries old. You just are ignorant of that fact.

But it has different meanings. What's important is what meaning they used in writing the amendment. We have their own words to tell us. We know this because, while there were no laws in illegal immigration at the time, the debates siad it wasn't to include children of aliens....or...non citizens.

 

[Rawley]

NOpe, they are just playing politics.

Science says that GAC is beneficial.

Yes. Therapy, GAC, for the mentally disturbed is beneficial. Your surgical and chemical experiments on children. Nope.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

But it has different meanings. What's important is what meaning they used in writing the amendment. We have their own words to tell us. We know this because, while there were no laws in illegal immigration at the time, the debates siad it wasn't to include children of aliens....or...non citizens.

Those aliens and non-citizens were Native Americans, and diplomatic personnel or their families. Stop making shit up! If it isn't written into the text of the amendment, it doesn't fly, because we cannot assume something that is not there. Doing that is what got us Roe v. Wade because there was nothing in the text of the Constitution to support abortion rights.