Trump will announce end of birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, officials say

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

We don't need an amendment, we need to determine what "subject to the jurisdiction of" means once and for all.

No power exists to determine this by legislation or executive order.

 

[johnwk]

Only within the confines of law and the constitution.

And President Trump's E.O. TITLED: PROTECTING THE MEANING AND VALUE OF AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP is within his Article 2 powers, allowing him to set new public policy. Remember Biden's open border policy allowing the invasion of the United States? Elections have consequences, and that includes setting new public policy.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Let us establish fundamental rules of constitutional law from an accepted voice of authority.

Intent of constitution<SNIP>


<SNIP> "A thing may be within the letter of a statute and not within its meaning, and within its meaning, though not within its letter. The intention of the lawmaker is the law."

Nope, it takes an amendment. Your opinion does define or "establish" constitutional law. You are not "an accepted voice of authority."

 

[JoeB131]

According to you, but not according to the court:

Keep in mind United States v. Wong Kim Ark dealt with a child born to lawfully domiciled Chinese parents.

Actually, they weren't "legally domiciled". In fact, they were ineligible to become citizens due ot the Chinese Exclusion Act.

Wong himself traveled between the US and China several times and tried to bring his Chinese-born wife and children over.

And President Trump's E.O. TITLED: PROTECTING THE MEANING AND VALUE OF AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP is within his Article 2 powers, allowing him to set new public policy. Remember Biden's open border policy allowing the invasion of the United States? Elections have consequences, and that includes setting new public policy.

Actually, if that were the case, Biden could have declared every illegal a legal resident. But he didn't because he was restricted BY THE LAW, just as Cheeto Hitler is.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm fine with just going forward and not revoking past citizenships.

Okay, so that will be babies born between 2025 and 2029, until the next Democrat overturns this circus.

But I doubt it will even go that far, by the time this winds through the courts, Trump will be hiding in his bunker with a 20% approval rating after he collapses the economy.

 

[JohnDB]

How do we know they were legal? Can you prove that after all this time? Do you see the problem your position creates?

Ellis island is how they came....everyone signed in for having a skilled trade. He had papers stuffed into the family Bible Grandma made him buy. (He wasn't exactly happy about its purchase either as the story goes)

If they knew the whole truth about my great great grandfather they wouldn't have let him in. (He was something of a drunk)

Today's information age is different from days past. Electronic information is very different.
We know exactly who people are. And most trying to cross illegally are not people we want here for any reason.

Why do you want thieves, drug runners, slavery, and etc to have free reign?

 

[JoeB131]

Ellis island is how they came....everyone signed in for having a skilled trade. He had papers stuffed into the family Bible Grandma made him buy. (He wasn't exactly happy about its purchase either as the story goes)

If they knew the whole truth about my great great grandfather they wouldn't have let him in. (He was something of a drunk)

Today's information age is different from days past. Electronic information is very different.
We know exactly who people are. And most trying to cross illegally are not people we want here for any reason.

Why do you want thieves, drug runners, slavery, and etc to have free reign?

Again, this was the same shit they said about the Irish, 150 years ago.
The same shit they said about the Italians and Germans 100 years ago.
The same shit they said about the Polish 50 years ago.
Now it's the Mexicans, but they've moved on to other nationalities because less Mexicans are coming over.

Most of the people trying to cross the border are not criminals. They aren't drug runners (not that drugs should be illegal to start with)

They are just people trying to find a better life, just like my ancestors and your ancestors did.

 

[johnwk]

Actually, they weren't "legally domiciled". In fact, they were ineligible to become citizens due ot the Chinese Exclusion Act.

They were not in the country illegally. They did have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and were carrying on business. Currently, we are talking about illegal entrant foreign nationals.

 

[johnwk]

They are just people trying to find a better life, just like my ancestors and your ancestors did.

Good for them. My dad was also "trying to find a better life" and legally entered the United States and went through the procedures at Ellis Island and met the requirements for entry.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I suspect he knows it will be challenged and he wants a SCOTUS ruling in it.

I am sure the lawsuits are being filed this week if not already.

 

[JohnDB]

Again, this was the same shit they said about the Irish, 150 years ago.
The same shit they said about the Italians and Germans 100 years ago.
The same shit they said about the Polish 50 years ago.
Now it's the Mexicans, but they've moved on to other nationalities because less Mexicans are coming over.

Most of the people trying to cross the border are not criminals. They aren't drug runners (not that drugs should be illegal to start with)

They are just people trying to find a better life, just like my ancestors and your ancestors did.

They are not Mexicans....
Venezuelan, Guatemalan, Hondurans, Chinese nationals, Yemeni, Iranians, Houthis and etc.

Mexicans have jobs and a life in Mexico. (Auto factories, logistics, petrochemical plants, tourist industry, fishing and etc)

You really need to pay attention to what is happening. We have NEVER meant a word of what they printed on the plaque about "tired, poor, and downtrodden" . You must have skills and an ability to build infrastructure and economic opportunities.

Basically produce.....not show up expecting us to pay your bills and provide for you.

 

[kyzr]

Okay, so that will be babies born between 2025 and 2029, until the next Democrat overturns this circus.
But I doubt it will even go that far, by the time this winds through the courts, Trump will be hiding in his bunker with a 20% approval rating after he collapses the economy.

Rooting for America's failure? Not surprised.
If the USSC says only Americans can make an American, illegals can't, there is no "overturning"
The economy does what it does, Trump and his advisors are smarter than democrats, cutting spending and borrowing as the Fed lowers interest rates should keep the economy humming along, sorry.

 

[80zephyr]

Can they? Sure. But it hinges on the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Diplomats are not . And we all know what happens when the violate a law. Now, if the SC decides that other classes of people within the US are not subject to the jurisdiction, that interpretation will be used in other laws. Short of rewriting the amendment to clarify that the exclusions only refer to that amendment, then any people in the exclusion list would be free to commit crimes.

So a tourist can commit crimes?

 

[Mortimer]

For the Romani American Community its not good because many are children of immigrants for me personally as someone who is not American but would like to be or just hypothetically its also not good though

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Blaster]

Trump DHS repeals key Mayorkas memo limiting ICE agents, orders parole review

The Department of Homeland Security issued two memos late Monday to repeal limits on federal immigration enforcement, and demanding a review on parole use.

www.foxnews.com

 

[pknopp]

Trump DHS repeals key Mayorkas memo limiting ICE agents, orders parole review

The Department of Homeland Security issued two memos late Monday to repeal limits on federal immigration enforcement, and demanding a review on parole use.

www.foxnews.com

LOL,

"Going forward, law enforcement officers should continue to use that discretion along with a healthy dose of common sense," the new memo said. "It is not necessary, however, for the head of the agency to create bright line rules regarding where our immigration laws are permitted to be enforced."

"Those restrictions should still be followed, they just shouldn't be in writing"

LOL

 

[JohnDB]

 

[the watcher]

quote the 14 th " No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;"
They sure make and enforce laws that abridge and restrict the hell out of privileges from the 1st and 2nd amendments, don't they? How about the 5th and 10th?

 

[JohnDB]

It doesn't work in Japan and it most certainly doesn't work here anymore either....