Trump ultimatum: Open Hormuz in 48-hours or your powerplants will be destroyed. (Poll)

[Correll]

You notice a turd in the middle of the road but you are not obliged to like it .
Rather, you shovel it into a bin or smear it over the dirty culprit-- two or four legged .Or three legged if it is Turdy .

America is not a w.s. nation and anyone that would claim it is, is the turd.

 

[Correll]

My detailed intel does not run to a list of targets but even a half wit should have known exactly the full effects of total war and the closing of Hormuz .

Which is why I think there might be a second Deep State narrative which intends world economic failure , huge disruption and loss of life .

Only Time will show how accurate that might be .
Or not .

You seemed to be ridiculing him for the small number of deaths from his bombings.

Now you seem to be dropping that point. And moving on to next attack.

What the bit about the small number of deaths, was that just shit talk?

 

[luiza]

You seemed to be ridiculing him for the small number of deaths from his bombings.

Now you seem to be dropping that point. And moving on to next attack.

What the bit about the small number of deaths, was that just shit talk?

You have completely lost me but the only way to discuss a Cartoon character like Motor Mouth is with a degree of humour mixed with ridicule .
Same as with one testicle Uncle Adolf and his love of German Shepherds and kiddywinks .
Or, Macron the Beastie Boy with his love of his Dad who masquerades as his wife . etc etc

 

[Correll]

You have completely lost me but the only way to discuss a Cartoon character like Motor Mouth is with a degree of humour mixed with ridicule .
Same as with one testicle Uncle Adolf and his love of German Shepherds and kiddywinks .
Or, Macron the Beastie Boy with his love of his Dad who masquerades as his wife . etc etc

I have no idea what that word salad was supposed to mean.

I get the general gist that my addressing your point seriously, was unwelcome and you are running away from it now.

So...ok. Noted.

 

[luiza]

I have no idea what that word salad was supposed to mean.

I get the general gist that my addressing your point seriously, was unwelcome and you are running away from it now.

So...ok. Noted.

Think whatever you choose .
You simply failed to grasp my detail attention .

Your apparent failure to immediately see the several points in my last post tells me all I need to know about you .

Next please .

 

[Correll]

Think whatever you choose .
You simply failed to grasp my detail attention .

Your apparent failure to immediately see the several points in my last post tells me all I need to know about you .

Next please .

Do you always oppose America, or only when conservatives are in charge?

 

[Mac1958]

Looks like possible talks on Thursday.

I've never heard of peace talks after one country has already won (as Trump has claimed any number of times), but here's hoping they go well so we can get out of this.

 

[Correll]

Looks like possible talks on Thursday.

I've never heard of peace talks after one country has already won (as Trump has claimed any number of times), but here's hoping they go well so we can get out of this.

Isn't that how most wars end? One side wins thus the other side is forced into talks and a deal that they don't want, becuase otherwise the winning side will go back to killing them?

Pretty much how WWI, ended.

 

[kyzr]

As I said - it's safer than launch the second strike. And if you won't surrender (and I believe you won't) - you'll launch your missiles eventually.

True. Its safest if no one launches a first strike.
But if someone does launch first, MAD kicks in to make life very unpleasant for everyone.

Those were not ICBMs. Even according US report those were medium range missiles, quite simple and just demonstrative

They had the height of ICBMs, and a range of 3,000 miles, not the 3,400 miles needed to "technically" be an ICBM. But I'd say its a win for us. Better outcome than "House of Dynamite".

If you didn't choose mutually acceptable peace terms before we launch first strike, you may accept peace solution only if our first strike is successful.

I doubt very much that any terms the Russians want would be acceptable, so its a simple matter of keep launching to see how many of the 3,000 US warheads can be deployed on targets.

Wishful thinking. And shouldn't the USA surrender before total destruction?

Shouldn't Russia surrender before total destruction? That MAD knife cuts both ways. Best not to tempt fate.

Yep. I missed them negotiating. Actually, they said they are not negotiating. Highly likely, it's just Trump, trying playing the oil markets.

Iran has no leader, just crazy mullahs. We'll soon see how it plays out.

You don't believe they can act rationally? C'mon they are human beings. And they prefer to save their people to kill other people. And it means, that the first strike is almost always counter-force.

A first nuclear strike by Iran, if any even get thru, would still guarantee a serious nuclear response from both Israel and the US. Not worth the risk.

Hardly. If Israel doesn't attack Iranian military targets and just try to kill some civilians, and if those civilians are prepared, they will destroy, say, ten largest Iranian cities and kill few million of civilians. It will hurt Iran enough to get really angry, but not enough to destroy them.

There are no military targets left in Iran to destroy. Which is why a nuclear attack by Iran on Israel would be just a "last gasp" before dying.

Its hardly possible, but then we'll launch second strike. Mostly counter-value.

Yeah okay, we shoot all our nukes at each other.

If you don't want find out if nuclear winter is a fake, you should f#ck off from our Hemisphere.

Its Ukraine's hemisphere too, that's the problem. Russia thinks they own Ukraine, and they don't.

Only if the Iran war is ended. And that is exactly why it won't end.

Doesn't matter if the war ends, only if the tankers can move thru Hormuz. We'll see if that happens or not.

And Iran already said him: "F#ck you, fat clown".

LOL. Trump has no Iranian leader that is still breathing to insult.

And Iran keeps holding Jewish and Arabic power plants and desalination plants (to say nothing about Hormuz strait) hostage. And it's even larger leverage.

True, Iran has a few cards to play, which is why we need to see how it turns out. I'd rather be us than Iran.

 

[Zavulon]

True. Its safest if no one launches a first strike.

If America plays always "escalate" card, and don't play "de-escalate" card, inevitably eventually nukes will fly.

But if someone does launch first, MAD kicks in to make life very unpleasant for everyone.

MAD is myth. Anyway, with all uncertainty, it's better to play Russian roulette (six chambers, one cartridge) with first strike rather than play American roulette (six chambers, five cartridges) with the second strike.

They had the height of ICBMs, and a range of 3,000 miles, not the 3,400 miles needed to "technically" be an ICBM. But I'd say its a win for us. Better outcome than "House of Dynamite".

It's just warming up.

I doubt very much that any terms the Russians want would be acceptable, so its a simple matter of keep launching to see how many of the 3,000 US warheads can be deployed on targets.

Most of those warheads will be destroyed before launch.

Shouldn't Russia surrender before total destruction?

No. Right now you suggest us to commit suicide voluntary and allow genocide of Russians. If we accept the terms you suggest now, we all are dead anyway. But if we fight - there is pretty good chances to win and survive. The choice between "conventional genocide" and "nuclear genocide" is not a choice at all, at least not life or death matter.

And Russia doesn't demand "decolonisation of America" and Russia won't demand genocide of Americans even after first Russian counter-force strike. If our first strike is very successful we'll demand Alaska and California, if just successful - we'll demand only Alaska. But the USA will survive as an independent state. We suggest you the real choice between life and death.

That MAD knife cuts both ways. Best not to tempt fate.

There is no MAD and never had been.

Iran has no leader, just crazy mullahs. We'll soon see how it plays out.

People don't need leaders to be sent in a fight. Actually they need lack of leaders to be unleashed.

A first nuclear strike by Iran, if any even get thru, would still guarantee a serious nuclear response from both Israel and the US. Not worth the risk.

As if they have a choice and can easily defeat America without nuking it

Yeah okay, we shoot all our nukes at each other.

And because we are ready and you are not, we are losing 30% of population top, and you are losing at least 90% of population at least

 

[georgephillip]

1. Nothing you said, addressed anything I said.

2. I excuse nothing. You don't like America, go **** yourself.

You claimed:

It makes sense for the leader of Israel to see everything though the lens of how it impacts ISRAEL

Very little impacts Israel without US support; if you don't like those who object to ethnic cleansing, collective punishment, and genocide, move to Jerusalem.

 

[kyzr]

If America plays always "escalate" card, and don't play "de-escalate" card, inevitably eventually nukes will fly.

We don't escalate, Putin escalates. Invading a neighboring country gets punished.

MAD is myth. Anyway, with all uncertainty, it's better to play Russian roulette (six chambers, one cartridge) with first strike rather than play American roulette (six chambers, five cartridges) with the second strike.

Assuming that the first strike hits all the targets they are supposed to hit, which won't happen if we shoot down most of them.

Most of those 3,000 US warheads will be destroyed before launch.

I would bet against that happening.

No. Right now you suggest us to commit suicide voluntary and allow genocide of Russians. If we accept the terms you suggest now, we all are dead anyway. But if we fight - there is pretty good chances to win and survive. The choice between "conventional genocide" and "nuclear genocide" is not a choice at all, at least not life or death matter.

Russian propaganda. There is no "conventional genocide" of Russians. What terms am I suggesting? Only no nuclear war.

And Russia doesn't demand "decolonisation of America" and Russia won't demand genocide of Americans even after first Russian counter-force strike. If our first strike is very successful we'll demand Alaska and California, if just successful - we'll demand only Alaska. But the USA will survive as an independent state. We suggest you the real choice between life and death.

We'd choose death. We'd launch what we have. You know that. No Russian first strike would knock out our response.

People don't need leaders to be sent in a fight. Actually they need lack of leaders to be unleashed.

Looks like a civil war of sorts is brewing in Iran, between the crazy jihadists and the secular folk who want a peaceful democracy.

As if Iran has a choice, and can easily defeat America without nuking it

We'll soon see won't we? Iran can't defeat the US, we export oil and gas.

And because we are ready and you are not, we are losing 30% of population tops, and you are losing at least 90% of population at least

Your numbers are nonsense, but we don't want to test our theories.
Both our countries have most of the population living well outside urban areas.

 

[Blaster]

 

[Zincwarrior]

Still closed. Iran is still shooting missiles. The regime is still intact. The nuclear material is still in their control.

 

[Rawley]

Still closed. Iran is still shooting missiles. The regime is still intact. The nuclear material is still in their control.

Yup. 95% fewer than they do two weeks ago. Is it? Is it?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Iran called his "48 hour" bluff, so Trump created these "talks" to squirm out of his "threat".

And the people in DC who could do something about this remain silent.

Trump's threat was always horseshit.

What Trump did was manipulate the markets to benefit his homies.

5 day extension? Not coincidentally, it's the 5 days the markets are open.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yup. 95% fewer than they do two weeks ago. Is it? Is it?

Is what? They shot the shit out of Israel yesterday.

 

[Rawley]

Is what? They shot the shit out of Israel yesterday.

Is the regime still intact and do they have control of the uranium? Both open questions.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Is the regime still intact and do they have control of the uranium? Both open questions.

Yes and definitely yes.