Trump to end LGBTQ crisis hotline… why?

[Slade3200]

Hold on…so you honestly believe that nationalistic traditionalists like myself have manufactured homosexual suicidal purple hair nose-ringer freaks?

I didn’t say anything close to that. I think people like you are a pollution on our society. Far more than gay people

 

[BrokeLoser]

I didn’t say anything close to that. I think people like you are a pollution on our society. Far more than gay people

Why? Because we like America the way it always was…without illegals and fucked in head wackos who think they can choose a gender?
Why do you push regression?

 

[jotathought]

An ideology isnt being catered to… a group of people with select issues causing them to be in crisis is trying to be addressed. Just like Vets. The other high risk group.

If you think they need help then this is a place where they could start to get it. How does cutting the program provide them with help? It doesn’t

A group of people who still have access to a crisis line, and not costing an additional $33 million annually.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Your argument for vets is admirable. I see your points as something that emphasis what I’ve been trying to say. Specialized care is more effective. Giving vets a specialized line with trained counselors to address their issues is a better way to help them. I agree that they deserve it.

The fact that you advocate for them to have that line says that if we were to do to them what Trump just did to the LGBtQ line, it would be a reduction of service. So we should be able to admit that it is a reduction of services for LGBtQ and squash the argument that it’s the same service, they can just call the main hotline.

I also don’t understand the cabinet level agency argument. Yes veteran affairs is cabinet level and a well justified agency. But so is HHS and HHS should have a mission to provide the best possible care for everybody. filtering volume on a crisis hotline to trained counselors was a way to get the high volume LGBtQ calls to more specialized trained counselors that benefits the operators and people in crisis on both sides. It gives the general line less of a load, less transfers, less hold times, less mismatching, so the general calls are better served as well.

I think you get that… especially if you replace the LGBtQ with vets. You defended the vets right away at the suggestion because you knew it would affect the service provided to them. The difference here is you support vets and you have a chip against LGBtQ. Forget about the identity stuff. Giving the best possible care to help the most possible people should be the goal. That’s not what Trump's move is trying to do

Your arguments are logical. I disagree with having government do this. Advocates for LGBT-Q++ can do it better. They already are, in fact.

They not only have multiple hotlines, but are specialized beyond LGBT:

Home - LGBT National Help Center

Contact our hotlines or chatrooms, designed for all members of the LGBTQIA+ community, and receive help regarding questions regarding sexual orientation and gender identity.

lgbthotline.org

They are open about it, so law enforcement, such as the FBI's sex crimes units, can monitor them, especially the LGBT Youth Talkline. That's just one organization, of many.

 

[Couchpotato]

I understand debate about trans in sports and locker rooms etc. but why in the world would anybody end a crisis hotline that receives over 2000 calls a day? These are youth who are suicidal and in crisis reaching out for help. And there’s no plan or effort to replace the assistance with anything.

Play your political games all you want but cutting off a lifeline to people in need of help is just cruel.

Does anybody want to try and justify this?

Trump administration to shutter LGBTQ youth suicide hotline next month — The Hill

President Trump’s administration has ordered a crisis service for LGBTQ youth to close within 30 days in a move that opponents have said will have dire consequences.

apple.news

Why can’t they call the regular suicide hotline? Why do we need a special one? Is there a special hotline for blondes considering suicide? What about people witj brown eyes?

 

[Slade3200]

Why? Because we like America the way it always was…without illegals and fucked in head wackos who think they can choose a gender?
Why do you push regression?

Nope. Because you’re a hateful bigot that does nothing but spread that hate and division. Waste of time.

 

[struth]

Health care professionals… in this case it would be lead by HSS. Issue here is Trump is steamrolling the entire government with DOGE and anti woke/DEI efforts trying to make political statements and headlines. So when they see anything that looks sympathetic to the “left” or something Biden set up he is squashing it. This one here is messing with suicidal kids and lacks any back up to claims of operators being inappropriate and lacks any proactive efforts to provide better care. so to me it makes it extra disgusting

How many sucides were prevented when xiden added the 33 million dollar option 3 to find out if someone was gay before getting them to an operator?

 

[Slade3200]

Your arguments are logical. I disagree with having government do this. Advocates for LGBT-Q++ can do it better. They already are, in fact.

They not only have multiple hotlines, but are specialized beyond LGBT:

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Home - LGBT National Help Center

Contact our hotlines or chatrooms, designed for all members of the LGBTQIA+ community, and receive help regarding questions regarding sexual orientation and gender identity.

lgbthotline.org

They are open about it, so law enforcement, such as the FBI's sex crimes units, can monitor them, especially the LGBT Youth Talkline. That's just one organization, of many.

Private and local orgs are great. More power to them. I do think Trump made a good move taking the old hotline and expanding to to a 3 digit nation wide line. 911 is known everywhere and can be called for emergencies. If 988 can become that known and trusted that would be a great thing for mental health crisis care.

That why this move is so frustrating to me. It throws petty politics into something that should be focus on best possible care. We are talking about desperate kids. If they get to a point of reaching out for help we should strive to be as accommodating as possible. I hear your concerns about grooming and steering kids away from parents. If that is done it should be punished and proper training should be put in place to best address those in crisis.

I know I’ve said these points many times. I don’t mean to be repetitive I just feel strongly about it and see what Trump is doing now as a needless setback for mental health care. I’m also ok with other opinions and can agree to disagree.

Appreciate you taking the time to listen and engage

 

[Slade3200]

How many sucides were prevented when xiden added the 33 million dollar option 3 to find out if someone was gay before getting them to an operator?

Measuring suicides prevented is not a measurable stat. We can look at numbers of people reaching out and number of kids helped. Large growing numbers.

 

[struth]

Private and local orgs are great. More power to them. I do think Trump made a good move taking the old hotline and expanding to to a 3 digit nation wide line. 911 is known everywhere and can be called for emergencies. If 988 can become that known and trusted that would be a great thing for mental health crisis care.

That why this move is so frustrating to me. It throws petty politics into something that should be focus on best possible care. We are talking about desperate kids. If they get to a point of reaching out for help we should strive to be as accommodating as possible. I hear your concerns about grooming and steering kids away from parents. If that is done it should be punished and proper training should be put in place to best address those in crisis.

I know I’ve said these points many times. I don’t mean to be repetitive I just feel strongly about it and see what Trump is doing now as a needless setback for mental health care. I’m also ok with other opinions and can agree to disagree.

Appreciate you taking the time to listen and engage

The hotline does the same thing it’s always done, it’s just not needlessly recording if a person is gay before directing them to an operator to get them the local counseling they need

 

[struth]

Measuring suicides prevented is not a measurable stat. We can look at numbers of people reaching out and number of kids helped. Large growing numbers.

Gotcha so what you are saying is it didn’t do any of the good you are claiming

 

[Slade3200]

The hotline does the same thing it’s always done, it’s just not needlessly recording if a person is gay before directing them to an operator to get them the local counseling they need

Keep telling yourself that bro. I’m tired of explaining things to you. You’re obviously not paying attention

 

[Slade3200]

Gotcha so what you are saying is it didn’t do any of the good you are claiming

No that’s not at all what I was saying. Why am I not surprised that you didn’t get that right?

 

[struth]

Keep telling yourself that bro. I’m tired of explaining things to you. You’re obviously not paying attention

I know you’ve talked yourself into pretzels and made up a lot of things. But that doesn’t change the facts

 

[struth]

No that’s not at all what I was saying. Why am I not surprised that you didn’t get that right?

Then prove it did. Show us the numbers of the gays saved because of option 3

 

[Seymour Flops]

That why this move is so frustrating to me. It throws petty politics into something that should be focus on best possible care. We are talking about desperate kids. If they get to a point of reaching out for help we should strive to be as accommodating as possible. I hear your concerns about grooming and steering kids away from parents. If that is done it should be punished and proper training should be put in place to best address those in crisis.

I just don't see any evidence of these desparate kids, in numbers large enough to justify a taxfunded special hotline for them. If there are anectdotal stories about kids feeling suicidal, there are also anectdotal stories of people regreting having been "transitioned" by adults as children.

Maybe there should be a "De-transitioner Hotline," or a "Transition Regret Suicide Hotline." I doubt the Democrats or "not Democrats" would stand for that.

Appreciate you taking the time to listen and engage

I appreciate you making logical arguments that made me examine my own beliefs. I only wish we had more of that on this board.

I've said my piece and I'll let you have the last word, which I will read but not respond to.

Thank!

 

[Slade3200]

I know you’ve talked yourself into pretzels and made up a lot of things. But that doesn’t change the facts

Yup facts are the facts and the facts are that Trump didn’t save 33M like you claim and the facts are care quality is reduced not the same because of this move

 

[Slade3200]

Then prove it did. Show us the numbers of the gays saved because of option 3

2000+ a day served.

 

[struth]

Yup facts are the facts and the facts are that Trump didn’t save 33M like you claim and the facts are care quality is reduced not the same because of this move

You haven’t provided any facts, you at least admit you can’t provide any evidence lives were saved because of option 3

Provide evidence care and quality are reduce, how if we are still spending the 33 million?

 

[struth]

2000+ a day served.

Are they not calling now? Why?