Trump Throws Pro-Lifers Under the Bus

[Leo123]

Best post. Well said.

So you are for killing persons?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

A reasonable compromise? Is that what you think is the Constitutional duty of the Supreme Court? This was a political decision that usurped legislative authority and effectively provided for unlimited abortions throughout the U.S.

Wait a second …

If the Supreme Court’s 1973 bipartisan 7-2 Roe vs. Wade decision somehow “usurped legislative authority” … then you are granting that there is legislative authority to ban abortion under the Constitution in the first place. That was the issue the Court ruled on, saying that the Constitution didn’t authorize any “state power” to take away that natural private right of the people, but rather protected it.

Perhaps you insist that this legislative authority cannot belong to the federal government but must belong to the states? But of course we know many Republicans now are pushing for a national law, as I predicted they would long ago.

For years Republican anti-abortion activists liked to say that if Liberals favored women’s right to decide for themselves to end an unwanted pregnancy, the proper place to do that was in Congress, to pass a federal law to make abortion legal — knowing the women’s “Right to Choose” movement didn’t have the votes at that time in the still traditional and very male-dominated Congress to accomplish this.

Your problem is you don’t recognize that some rights and powers are reserved for and to the people. That is what the 10th Amendment says. Americans are so hung up with seeing everything as a state or federal power that we sometimes forget that our constitution recognizes natural rights that belong to the people which no sovereign state power should monkey with. That’s one of the reasons Madison at first gave for opposing the Bill of Rights — he thought the listing of protected rights would imply that others not enumerated did not exist. That is exactly why the Founders eventually passed the Tenth Amendment.

The Roe vs. Wade decision was really recognizing a natural right, a power, and a responsibility of women … centered uniquely in their own personal bodies. This issue was in fact a most intimate privacy right of women, key to their personal freedom. The SC ruled that the state and society’s interests in a women’s decision to continue or end a pregnancy were negligible in its early stages. However it also stated that the state might have an interest in the matter in later stages, and left that up to individual states to pass laws that might regulate and protect these women and their more developed living human fetuses. In fact that was the only compromise I spoke about.

Of course some states, especially in the South, or where “Moral Majority” and religious movements were already strong, immediately tried to abuse their authority and passed laws that actually made it extremely difficult to have abortions at all, initially by keeping them out of publicly funded hospitals and then by passing laws that reduced the freedom and number of private centers where women could have abortions at any stage.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Conservatives celebrated the overturning of Roe v Wade with the unrealistic expectation that abortion bans would start popping up in state after state. Several attempts at that have been predictably futile and little to nothing has changed since the ruling was reversed and they've paid that price politically. Apparently, Trump isn't on board either. He specifically cites Florida when talking about the so-called "Heartbeat" legislations passed in states like Florida, Iowa, and Georgia as a "terrible thing."

The past two days, Trump has been unable to answer if a man can become a woman and has criticized pro-life legislation, two high profile issues among his base.

This illustrates Trump’s ignorance of the issue.

 

[kyzr]

Religious values like stoning adulterers, executing homosexuals?

The good old days...

 

[candycorn]

Its not a lie

Yes we hope the states will outlaw it

But only through the proper legislative process

Do lbs have a problem with that?

I sure do. Elected bodies shouldn’t make decisions about anyone’s health care.

 

[kyzr]

When will you ever learn?


Rep. Paul A. Gosar (Arizona)
Rep. Russ Fulcher (Idaho)
Rep. Tom Emmer (Minnesota)
Rep. Ken Buck (Colorado)
Rep. Mike Bost (Illinois)
Rep. Jack Bergman (Michigan)
Rep. Barry Moore (Alabama)
Rep. David B. McKinley (West Virginia)
Rep. Thomas Massie (Kentucky)
Rep. Jake LaTurner (Kansas)
Rep. Doug Lamborn (Colorado)
Rep. Clay Higgins (Louisiana)
Rep. Yvette Herrell (New Mexico)
Rep. Kevin Hern (Oklahoma)
Rep. Daniel Webster (Florida)
Rep. Nancy Mace (South Carolina)
Rep. Barry Loudermilk (Georgia)
Rep. Ronny Jackson (Texas)
Rep. Jodey Arrington (Texas)
Rep. H. Morgan Griffith (Virginia)
Rep. Dan Crenshaw (Texas)
Rep. Greg Murphy (North Carolina)
Rep. Tracey Mann (Kansas)
Rep. Jim Baird (Indiana)
Rep. Bryan Steil (Wisconsin)
Rep. Jason T. Smith (Missouri)
Rep. Markwayne Mullin (Oklahoma)
Rep. Blake D. Moore (Utah)

These Republicans cheered abortion policy going to states. They are also sponsoring a federal ban.
This is just the House. Lady Lindsey introduced a nationwide ban in the Senate.

Then the stupid coxuckers deserve to lose.
Hell, even Mike Pence is good with a 15-week ban

 

[candycorn]

It also cuts down on future prison space needed.

More room for Trump’s insurrectionists.

 

[Independent thinker]

Conservatives celebrated the overturning of Roe v Wade with the unrealistic expectation that abortion bans would start popping up in state after state. Several attempts at that have been predictably futile and little to nothing has changed since the ruling was reversed and they've paid that price politically. Apparently, Trump isn't on board either. He specifically cites Florida when talking about the so-called "Heartbeat" legislations passed in states like Florida, Iowa, and Georgia as a "terrible thing."

The past two days, Trump has been unable to answer if a man can become a woman and has criticized pro-life legislation, two high profile issues among his base.

I made a post on you earlier about people making threads on here hoping to get Republicans to question Trump and tried explaining to you that Republican voters don't vote for Trump because he's a Republican, they vote for him because Trump is NOT a Republican or a democrat, which is what these voters want. It's fun though to watch your extreme fear of Trump so much you will try to get them to vote for a different Republican. You are absolutely terrified Trump would beat Biden. If you thought Trump would lose to Biden you wouldn't be trying to play these mind games which you haven't figured out yet, don't work. You'd be encouraging voters to vote for Trump.

 

[Leo123]

Wait a second …

If the Supreme Court’s 1973 bipartisan 7-2 Roe vs. Wade decision somehow “usurped legislative authority” … then you are granting that there is legislative authority to ban abortion under the Constitution in the first place. That was the issue the Court ruled on, saying that the Constitution didn’t authorize any “state power” to take away that natural private right of the people, but rather protected it.

Perhaps you insist that this legislative authority cannot belong to the federal government but must belong to the states? But of course we know many Republicans now are pushing for a national law, as I predicted they would long ago.

For years Republican anti-abortion activists liked to say that if Liberals favored women’s right to decide for themselves to end an unwanted pregnancy, the proper place to do that was in Congress, to pass a federal law to make abortion legal — knowing the women’s “Right to Choose” movement didn’t have the votes at that time in the traditional old man’s Congress to accomplish this.

Your problem is you don’t recognize that some rights and powers are reserved for and to the people. That is what the 10th Amendment says. Americans are so hung up with seeing everything as a state or federal power that we sometimes forget that our constitution recognizes natural rights that belong to the people which no sovereign state power should monkey with. That’s one of the reasons Madison at first gave for opposing the Bill of Rights — he thought the listing of protected rights would imply that others not enumerated did not exist. That is exactly why the Founders eventually passed the Tenth Amendment.

The Roe vs. Wade decision was really recognizing a natural right, a power, and a responsibility of women … centered uniquely in their own personal bodies. This issue was in fact a most intimate privacy right of women, key to their personal freedom. The SC ruled that the state and society’s interests in a women’s decision to continue a pregnancy were negligible in early stages of pregnancy. However it also stated that the state might have an interest in the matter in later stages, and left that up to individual states to pass laws that might regulate and protect these women and their more developed living human fetuses. In fact that was the only compromise I spoke about.

Of course some states, especially in the South, or where “Moral Majority” and religious movements were already strong, immediately tried to abuse their authority and passed laws that actually made it extremely difficult to have abortions at all, initially by keeping them out of publicly funded hospitals and then by passing laws that reduced the freedom and number of private centers where women could have abortions at any stage.

Doesn't a developing human being have rights too? Like the right to live?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Thats nonsense

Women were designed by the Creator to have children

But sometimes there can be complications

Wrong.

"Several scientific studies in the past two years have noted that abortion bans will likely increase maternal mortality. A University of Colorado study in 2021, for example, found that a total ban on the procedure could increase pregnancy-related deaths up to 21% overall and up to 33% for Black women.

[…]

In Wisconsin, for example, some clinics already are refusing to use mifepristone to help women pass an early miscarriage because the drug also can be used in medical abortions, said Dr. Amy Domeyer-Klenske, an OB-GYN in Milwaukee who is vice chair of the Wisconsin chapter of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.

Without mifepristone, Domeyer-Klenske said, doctors must either wait to see whether a patient passes the miscarriage on her own, or use less effective medications or perform a riskier surgical procedure.”

Critics Fear Abortion Bans Could Jeopardize Health of Pregnant Women - Stateline

Read more Stateline coverage on how states are either protecting or curbing access to abortions. The 17 states that ban abortion after 20 weeks make exceptions to protect the life or health of the woman. But doctors and reproductive health advocates worry such exceptions are so vague or narrow...

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[Coyote]

You said the magic word - “child”

As in a unique human person

As in a fetus.

 

[Coyote]

Doesn't a developing human being have rights too? Like the right to live?

Not at the expense of another’s rights.

 

[Leo123]

Not at the expense of another’s rights.

There is no right to murder which is what abortion for convenience really is.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You mean women fulfilling their narrow selfish desires? That's what abortion is all about, Demoscum.

Individuals know best how to conduct their private lives – not the government.

Yet conservatives seek more government, bigger government to interfere in citizens’ private lives.

 

[Coyote]

There is no right to murder.

It isn’t murder.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Not at the expense of another’s rights.

Hitler would absolutely approve of you.

 

[Coyote]

Hitler would absolutely approve of you.

I think you are more his type.

 

[Leo123]

It isn’t murder.

To be fair I added 'for convenience' to my post after you posted this.

 

[Leo123]

I think you are more his type.

Hitler killed for convenience just like those who abort for the same reason.

 

[Leo123]

Individuals know best how to conduct their private lives – not the government.

Yet conservatives seek more government, bigger government to interfere in citizens’ private lives.

Yes individuals know best which is why SCOTUS put it back to the States were individuals vote on it.