Trump screwed Up Iran Big Time. And now Iran will get a Nuke.

[Turtlesoup]

Huh???

You have provided no evidence of anything.

The world verified Iran was in compliance with inspections.
Trump canceled the deal for no reason.
Iran then re-started their nuke program after Trump canceled the deal.
FACTS:

Iran Tells U.N. Agency It Will Enrich Uranium Back To Pre-Nuclear Deal Level Of 20%

Iran has exceeded some limits of the 2015 agreement in the past but this move would mark a notable step toward strengthening its nuclear capacity. The U.S. withdrew from the pact in 2018.

www.npr.org

Iran has never been in compliance..it's ignorant to claim otherwise. Iran has always played games with inspectors and their nuke programs...under trump, they feared him and had to behave. Now they are again, playing games under weak biden and you blame trump?

 

[Turtlesoup]

It stopped them from having highly enriched uranium.

Which, you know, kind of important to build a nuclear bomb.

How would you know what they had as they always played games and the UN inspectors did as Iran wanted instead of their jobs.

 

[surada]

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"Oh YEAH, Easy...well...well...YOU're a poopy-head, too.
You...you...you don't know anything about Iran either!"

Uh-huh, after almost 2 decades of military experience specializing in the Middle East, I don't know anything about Iran, huh?!

Well, you certainly should know something about Iran and Operation Ajax.. Shame that screwing them out of oil revenue was more important than democracy.

 

[Nostra]

What a stupid “straw man” argument, which of course completely avoids all the points I made very clearly in comment #83.

By the way, dummy, we don’t need to “reimpose nuclear sanctions on Iran.” We already have them in place.

And the deal was not just “Obama’s deal with Iran,” but the policy of present President Biden and it was even supported by that warmonger and hard pro-Zionist Hillary Clinton.

It was an agreement signed by Russia and China and supported by all the great European powers, too.

But spin it as you will. Trump and Republicans for purely parochial reasons not only unilaterally and arbitrarily pulled out, they guaranteed the defeat of the “reform” wing of the Iranian leadership — which history has already demonstrated can be the focal point for rallying mass opposition and even Revolution against the reactionary Mullas and security state in Iran. He also helped the Chinese to solidify trade ties with Iran in future.

It was an agreement signed by Russia and China and supported by all the great European powers, too.

Show us these signatures.

 

[surada]

It was an agreement signed by Russia and China and supported by all the great European powers, too.

Show us these signatures.

You have no idea just how ignorant Trump really is.

What Is the Iran Nuclear Deal? - Council on Foreign Relations

What Is the Iran Nuclear Deal?

Diplomacy to revive this arms control agreement has faced multiple stumbling blocks, including Iran’s nuclear advances and its links to conflicts in the Gaza Strip and Ukraine.

www.cfr.org

Aug 18, 2021 · Signed in 2015 by Iran and several world powers, including the United States, the JCPOA placed significant restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief.

Signatories to the Former Iran Nuclear Deal Meet in Vienna — IR INSIDER

Beginning on April 6th, delegates from Iran met in Vienna with representatives of Britain, China, Germany, France, and Russia, all signatories to the original Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), popularly known as the "Iran Nuclear Deal." US Special Envoy to Iran Robert Malley atte

www.irinsider.org

pr 11, 2021 · Beginning on April 6th, delegates from Iran met in Vienna with representatives of Britain, China, Germany, France, and Russia, all signatories to the original Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), popularly known as the "Iran Nuclear Deal." US Special Envoy to Iran Robert Malley attended some of the meetings via backchannels, while the US was indirectly represented by the EU nation-led …

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

So Obama's plan to allow Iran to have nukes 10 years after his deal started stopped them. God you're stupid. You're the real thing.

The Banker: Duh, dar, Obama kept Iran from having nukes for ... 10 YEARS! That's forever!

Moron

Well played. Obama's deal reimbursed the Mullahs of Iran all that money withheld for sanctions and various
illegalities by Iran (remember that midnight flight to Iran with all the Swiss francs stacked on pallets)?
Also the Obama deal offered to mentor Iran on building their nuclear weapons and after a certain
amount of time, Iran had their money AND their weapons and sanctions were lifted as well.

That's why I've continually said Obama was the best president Iran ever had. These dopes arguing otherwise
should pull their heads out of their asses!

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

How would you know what they had as they always played games and the UN inspectors did as Iran wanted instead of their jobs.

Correct again! The deal was set up so UN inspectors could not show up unannounced but only when
Iran said it was okay for a visit. How likely was it Iran would ever be caught with their pants down?

The Obama-Kerry deal was a big steaming pile of horse crap! Iran was always going to have their
nuclear weapons thanks to Obama's deal.

 

[easyt65]

Well, you certainly should know something about Iran and Operation Ajax.. Shame that screwing them out of oil revenue was more important than democracy.

Shedding tears for Iran, snowflake?

Tell me, did you call your representatives, did you call the WH and express your outrage when Barry turned his back on the Iranian people during Iran's Green Revolution that began 12 June 2009, because Obama wanted a nuclear deal, not regime change?

Of course you didn't because despite your bluster, like Obama, you don't give a damn about the Iranian people. The only reason Barry gave a shit enough to illegally go make his own NON-Binding deal was because he wanted one - good or bad - for his 'Legacy'.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

 

[easyt65]

kaz said:
So Obama's plan to allow Iran to have nukes 10 years after his deal started stopped them. God you're stupid. You're the real thing.

Barry didn't give a damn about supporting Iranians in their revolution in 2009 because their was nothing for him personally 'Legacy'-wize.

Barry didn't give a damn if Iran got nukes 10 years down the road - he would be gone. He wanted that 'Iran (non)Treaty' as part of his 'Legacy'. If it failed later he would just blame someone else.

 

[Lastamender]

Trump got rid of the deal so they could do what it wanted now.

Getting rid of the deal meant Trump could sanction Iran even more. Trump hurt Iran's economy badly. It is what you do to enemies.

 

[surada]

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Shedding tears for Iran, snowflake?

Tell me, did you call your representatives, did you call the WH and express your outrage when Barry turned his back on the Iranian people during Iran's Green Revolution that began 12 June 2009, because Obama wanted a nuclear deal, not regime change?

Of course you didn't because despite your bluster, like Obama, you don't give a damn about the Iranian people. The only reason Barry gave a shit enough to illegally go make his own NON-Binding deal was because he wanted one - good or bad - for his 'Legacy'.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

Representatives of Britain, China, Germany, France, and Russia, all signatories to the original Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), popularly known as the "Iran Nuclear Deal."

Did you see the signatories to the Iran Nuclear Agreement? I posted them for you. Revolution in Iran is NOT something the US should get involved in ever.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

As usual the OP is full of shit and dangerously stupid and uninformed.

 

[Nostra]

You have no idea just how ignorant Trump really is.

What Is the Iran Nuclear Deal? - Council on Foreign Relations

What Is the Iran Nuclear Deal?

Diplomacy to revive this arms control agreement has faced multiple stumbling blocks, including Iran’s nuclear advances and its links to conflicts in the Gaza Strip and Ukraine.

www.cfr.org

Aug 18, 2021 · Signed in 2015 by Iran and several world powers, including the United States, the JCPOA placed significant restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief.

Signatories to the Former Iran Nuclear Deal Meet in Vienna — IR INSIDER

Beginning on April 6th, delegates from Iran met in Vienna with representatives of Britain, China, Germany, France, and Russia, all signatories to the original Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), popularly known as the "Iran Nuclear Deal." US Special Envoy to Iran Robert Malley atte

www.irinsider.org

pr 11, 2021 · Beginning on April 6th, delegates from Iran met in Vienna with representatives of Britain, China, Germany, France, and Russia, all signatories to the original Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), popularly known as the "Iran Nuclear Deal." US Special Envoy to Iran Robert Malley attended some of the meetings via backchannels, while the US was indirectly represented by the EU nation-led …

Your leftist spin sources are full of shit. It was never signed. Barry's administration admitted that.


How easy we forget. On November 19, 2015, the State Department sent a letter to then-Representative Mike Pompeo that severely undercuts the notion that the Iran deal represents any form of binding American commitment. It turns out that the Obama administration not only acknowledged that the deal wasn’t a treaty (obvious enough), but it also admitted that it wasn’t “an executive agreement” or even a “signed document.” Here are the key paragraphs:

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) is not a treaty or an executive agreement, and is not a signed document. The JCPOA reflects political commitments between Iran, the P5+1 (the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Russia, China), and the European Union. As you know, the United States has a long-standing practice of addressing sensitive problems in negotiations that culminate in political commitments.

The success of the JCPOA will depend not on whether it is legally binding or signed, but rather on the extensive verification measures we have put in place, as well as Iran’s understanding that we have the capacity to re-impose — and ramp up — our sanctions if Iran does not meet its commitments.

A Trip Down Memory Lane: In 2015 the Obama Administration Said the Iran Deal Wasn’t Even a ‘Signed Document’ | National Review

The Iran deal wasn’t binding then, and it’s not binding now.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[Nostra]

Correct again! The deal was set up so UN inspectors could not show up unannounced but only when
Iran said it was okay for a visit. How likely was it Iran would ever be caught with their pants down?

The Obama-Kerry deal was a big steaming pile of horse crap! Iran was always going to have their
nuclear weapons thanks to Obama's deal.

And all military sites were off limits.

 

[Nostra]

Did you see the signatories to the Iran Nuclear Agreement? I posted them for you. Revolution in Iran is NOT something the US should get involved in ever.

Show us the document and the signatures, not some leftist spin claiming it was signed.

 

[colfax_m]

Getting rid of the deal meant Trump could sanction Iran even more. Trump hurt Iran's economy badly. It is what you do to enemies.

I thought the purpose was to keep them from getting nuclear weapons. Who gives a shit about their economy?

 

[Lastamender]

I thought the purpose was to keep them from getting nuclear weapons. Who gives a shit about their economy?

If you do not have the money you cannot do anything. Duh!

 

[colfax_m]

If you do not have the money you cannot do anything. Duh!

If you or Trump think that we can deprive them of such funds as to be impossible to proceed with a nuclear program, you’re a moron and so is Trump.

North Korea is one of the poorest countries in the world and still managed to pull it off.

You’ve been duped.

 

[Nostra]

I thought the purpose was to keep them from getting nuclear weapons. Who gives a shit about their economy?

Barry's deal let them make all the nukes they wanted.

 

[postman]

Trump did nothing to stop Iran from enriching uranium, which re-started under his presidency, leading to the situation we have now.

George Bush did the same thing with N Korea, and they made a nuke because of Bush's failures. Trump has pulled another Bush, and now Iran will make a nuke because of Trump. Trump and Bush, the 2 worst most failed presidents in US History.

There is an important difference between the two. Bush caught North Korea cheating with uranium enrichment, so he broke the deal. This allowed North Korea to reprocess their spent fuel into hundreds of pounds of plutonium.

Trump breaking the deal means Iran can make enriched uranium, a much slower process.