Trump scolds the nation.

[MarathonMike]

This thread is

 

[BS Filter]

its a hardvard economist that says inflation is under control.
Its not CNN reporting that inflation is under control. Its just an interview with an economist.

Whatever. It is what it is. The numbers are better than expected.

 

[Muhammed]

LOL, not even slightly true.

Piss off, liar. You're a dumbass.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

JackOfNoFacts just posted some real bullshit.

He lied. Deal with it.
This is the man you support.
Says more about you than it does him.

 

[Mac1958]

This is the man you support.
Says more about you than it does him.

And, bingo.

It's never been about Trump.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

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My leftist friend told me she didn't have any plans to accept the $2K check that the rumors are talking about, because it would be just more debt for the country.

When I told her it would be a tariff dividend -- real money coming into the country from elsewhere, not magic money printed up by the Fed -- she kind of snapped her neck around and got those $$$ in her eyes!

There's hope for her yet.

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[Norm Paperman]

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My leftist friend told me she didn't have any plans to accept the $2K check that the rumors are talking about, because it would be just more debt for the country.

When I told her it would be a tariff dividend -- real money coming into the country from elsewhere, not magic money printed up by the Fed -- she kind of snapped her neck around and got those $$$ in her eyes!

There's hope for her yet.

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Why did you lie to your friend?

Tariffs are paid by the consumer just like every other tax.

What kind of a friend are you that you lie like that?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

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My leftist friend told me she didn't have any plans to accept the $2K check that the rumors are talking about, because it would be just more debt for the country.

When I told her it would be a tariff dividend -- real money coming into the country from elsewhere, not magic money printed up by the Fed -- she kind of snapped her neck around and got those $$$ in her eyes!

There's hope for her yet.

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That's Ok. As Congress has the power of the purse, and the numbers don't support being able to cut the checks anyway, it's just another of your Savior's meaningless platitudes. It ain't gonna happen.

Oh, and in case you aren't familiar with how tariffs work, the costs are ultimately paid by...you guessed it...us (the consumer).

 

[80zephyr]

Slow down. What jobs do you want to bring home? What products do you want to manufacture only in America? I think smarter people than you and Trump have already negotiated all this. Trump's trying to impress you and force other countries to buy more American products, when they don't want to buy more American products. And he's making their products unaffordable but we want to buy their stuff. You guys aren't strategic at all about anything.

DOGE, you just used a hatchet. Inappropriate. That's not how things work. Blow it all up and put back only what is necessary. Meanwhile people suffer.

Start a trade war and do it against everyone. Which means they are now boycotting American products. You guys want to only buy American? Then they won't want to buy anything American. We do a lot of business with the rest of the world.

I'm going to stop rambling. Let me just leave you with this analogy. You go to your barber every month and give him $25 for a haircut right? But he never spends any money with you. Do you have a trade imbalance? No. That's a free market.

NOW, there are certain things we should only buy at home. If it's vital to our economy. I say car manufacturing is vital.

BUT, since you mofos don't want to invest or make ecars, why don't you just let those Chinese cars in that only cost $10K? Let them compete against your beautiful gas cars. Some people only need the $10K vehicle. Come on Republicans. Show us you're not just the status quo and all talk.

Do you agree that manufacturing is a matter of national security?

 

[80zephyr]

Trump now has a 35% approval rating. Let's say he won 51 to 50%. That 51 is down to 35%. If the election were right now the Democrat would win 65% to 35%.

We give Trump credit for duping independents and undecideds. But the gig is up. Trump can tell us next year prices are going to go down but he can't tell us this year prices weren't up. He is so obviously cherry picking and lying. You've become used to it so you don't even care when he does it. See it's you who's brainwashed. You have TDS not us.

That is wrong. While Trumps approval is 35%, any Democrats approval number has to be considered as well. People will vote for who they think will do a better job and consider the lesser of two evils.

 

[80zephyr]

And Biden promised to cure cancer. Did you post about it when he failed?

 

[Hafar1014]

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Last evening president Donald Trump ranted to the nation about his achievements in the last eleven months. He was tense and seemed upset, likely because of falling poll numbers and unfavorable economic reports. It was more of a scolding and seemed out of place. Thoughts?

Trump's crazed address was as unnerving as Biden's debate | Opinion

In what was technically a primetime address to the nation, President Donald Trump spent 20 minutes on the evening of Dec. 17 yelling into a camera.

www.usatoday.com

Democrats make Trump the subject to avoid his successes on the economy

 

[sealybobo]

Do you agree that manufacturing is a matter of national security?

Yes but how much? And what? The details matter.

For example, can we make cell phones? I don't think we can. Our plan WAS to work with India instead of China but Trump fucked that up.

How many old cell phones do we have in America? I'm sure if China cut us off and we couldn't buy any new Iphones, we'd be fine refurbishing the ones we have.

Medicine? Yes. Bring that manufacturing back home.

Some things, if you want to sell here in America, you have to come here and make it in America. But some things we just want to buy from Brazil or China or outsource to India. It's a global market.

Have you Republicans considered how much money we are going to lose when people in other countries don't want to buy American because we don't buy their shit and they don't like Trump? Trump's plan was to FORCE every country to buy more from us. Can those countries FORCE their citizens to buy our stuff? That's not very free market.

I'm not going to have circular arguments with you. Yes Manufacturing is THE MOST important industry. For every 1 good paying union manufacturing job, they create 3 other jobs at tier 1 2 or 3 suppliers or at restuarants, dry cleaners, clothing stores, etc.

 

[konradv]

It was more of him bragging than scolding lol.

You call it bragging, non-cult members call it lying.

 

[sealybobo]

You call it bragging, non-cult members call it lying.

For some reason they don't care how many times Trump lied. I listed 8 lies Trump told. They don't care. Lies to them are like water on a duck.

 

[80zephyr]

Yes but how much? And what? The details matter.

For example, can we make cell phones? I don't think we can. Our plan WAS to work with India instead of China but Trump fucked that up.

How many old cell phones do we have in America? I'm sure if China cut us off and we couldn't buy any new Iphones, we'd be fine refurbishing the ones we have.

Medicine? Yes. Bring that manufacturing back home.

Some things, if you want to sell here in America, you have to come here and make it in America. But some things we just want to buy from Brazil or China or outsource to India. It's a global market.

Have you Republicans considered how much money we are going to lose when people in other countries don't want to buy American because we don't buy their shit and they don't like Trump? Trump's plan was to FORCE every country to buy more from us. Can those countries FORCE their citizens to buy our stuff? That's not very free market.

I'm not going to have circular arguments with you. Yes Manufacturing is THE MOST important industry. For every 1 good paying union manufacturing job, they create 3 other jobs at tier 1 2 or 3 suppliers or at restuarants, dry cleaners, clothing stores, etc.

I'm OK with job creation for people that are suppliers, dry cleaners, etc. There are many things not made here anymore, a lot of them electronics. I don't like the idea of having them outsourced.

It appears you are in favor of bringing some manufacturing back here. Do you like the idea of tariffs to facilitate that?

 

[sparky]

Thoughts?

mainstream media had a complete TDS meltdown

~S~

 

[Hafar1014]

mainstream media had a complete TDS meltdown

~S~

Thats because Trump is successful and that destroys their credibility. If they have any left

 

[sealybobo]

I'm OK with job creation for people that are suppliers, dry cleaners, etc. There are many things not made here anymore, a lot of them electronics. I don't like the idea of having them outsourced.

It appears you are in favor of bringing some manufacturing back here. Do you like the idea of tariffs to facilitate that?

Yes tariff the things you want to bring back home. But remember, Trump can **** us with this. Example. He's got a wife who makes Christmas ornaments. Made In America. So he tariffs the shit out of China so no one can afford to buy ornaments from China. Then Melania comes in and charges $90 for a ******* star that you put on top of the tree.

Trump is right. America is doing great. Corporate America. What about us?

Electronics? Maybe. Let's discuss it and then strategically decide if we should bring this back.

Arguments For Reshoring

• Supply Chain Resilience: Manufacturing domestically reduces reliance on complex, often vulnerable global supply chains, mitigating risks from geopolitical tensions, pandemics, or trade disruptions.
• National Security: A domestic manufacturing base for critical components like semiconductors is considered essential for national and economic security, ensuring the U.S. has a reliable supply for defense and other strategic industries.
• Innovation: Proximity between manufacturing facilities and research and development (R&D) centers fosters greater innovation and faster product development, allowing companies to leverage advancements in automation and AI more effectively.
• Quality Control & Oversight: Local production enables more stringent quality control, better communication, and closer oversight of the entire production process, reducing defects and ensuring products meet high standards.
• Job Creation: While modern factories are highly automated, an American manufacturing renaissance, particularly in high-tech sectors, would create skilled jobs in advanced technology, engineering, and construction, contributing to the domestic economy.
• Government Incentives: Legislation like the CHIPS and Science Act has already spurred billions of dollars in investments in semiconductor facilities, demonstrating strong government support for the move.

Arguments Against Reshoring/Challenges

• Higher Costs & Consumer Prices: The U.S. has significantly higher labor costs and stricter regulations compared to traditional manufacturing hubs. These increased costs would likely be passed on to consumers as higher prices for electronic goods.
• Established Ecosystems: The existing global electronics supply chain, particularly in Asia, is an intricate web of specialized suppliers, infrastructure, and skilled labor developed over decades. Rebuilding this entire ecosystem in the U.S. would be a massive, time-consuming, and costly undertaking.
• Labor Shortages & Skills Gap: Finding tens of thousands of skilled workers for modern, highly automated manufacturing roles is a challenge. Many workers may require significant retraining for these new types of jobs.
• Infrastructure Limitations: Current U.S. infrastructure, including the electrical grid and logistics networks, may not be adequate to support a massive, sudden influx of new, large-scale manufacturing facilities.
• Risk of Trade Disruptions: Cutting off trade entirely with major partners like China could disrupt the design and marketing side of U.S. tech companies that rely on the vast Chinese consumer market for profits.

In summary, there is a strong strategic and national security argument for bringing back at least some critical electronics manufacturing, especially in high-tech areas like semiconductors. However, achieving this at a large scale for all types of electronics is complex and would require substantial investment, time, and a societal willingness to potentially pay more for "Made in America" products.

 

[Hafar1014]

Yes tariff the things you want to bring back home. But remember, Trump can **** us with this. Example. He's got a wife who makes Christmas ornaments. Made In America. So he tariffs the shit out of China so no one can afford to buy ornaments from China. Then Melania comes in and charges $90 for a ******* star that you put on top of the tree.

Trump is right. America is doing great. Corporate America. What about us?

Electronics? Maybe. Let's discuss it and then strategically decide if we should bring this back.

Arguments For Reshoring

• Supply Chain Resilience: Manufacturing domestically reduces reliance on complex, often vulnerable global supply chains, mitigating risks from geopolitical tensions, pandemics, or trade disruptions.
• National Security: A domestic manufacturing base for critical components like semiconductors is considered essential for national and economic security, ensuring the U.S. has a reliable supply for defense and other strategic industries.
• Innovation: Proximity between manufacturing facilities and research and development (R&D) centers fosters greater innovation and faster product development, allowing companies to leverage advancements in automation and AI more effectively.
• Quality Control & Oversight: Local production enables more stringent quality control, better communication, and closer oversight of the entire production process, reducing defects and ensuring products meet high standards.
• Job Creation: While modern factories are highly automated, an American manufacturing renaissance, particularly in high-tech sectors, would create skilled jobs in advanced technology, engineering, and construction, contributing to the domestic economy.
• Government Incentives: Legislation like the CHIPS and Science Act has already spurred billions of dollars in investments in semiconductor facilities, demonstrating strong government support for the move.

Arguments Against Reshoring/Challenges

• Higher Costs & Consumer Prices: The U.S. has significantly higher labor costs and stricter regulations compared to traditional manufacturing hubs. These increased costs would likely be passed on to consumers as higher prices for electronic goods.
• Established Ecosystems: The existing global electronics supply chain, particularly in Asia, is an intricate web of specialized suppliers, infrastructure, and skilled labor developed over decades. Rebuilding this entire ecosystem in the U.S. would be a massive, time-consuming, and costly undertaking.
• Labor Shortages & Skills Gap: Finding tens of thousands of skilled workers for modern, highly automated manufacturing roles is a challenge. Many workers may require significant retraining for these new types of jobs.
• Infrastructure Limitations: Current U.S. infrastructure, including the electrical grid and logistics networks, may not be adequate to support a massive, sudden influx of new, large-scale manufacturing facilities.
• Risk of Trade Disruptions: Cutting off trade entirely with major partners like China could disrupt the design and marketing side of U.S. tech companies that rely on the vast Chinese consumer market for profits.

In summary, there is a strong strategic and national security argument for bringing back at least some critical electronics manufacturing, especially in high-tech areas like semiconductors. However, achieving this at a large scale for all types of electronics is complex and would require substantial investment, time, and a societal willingness to potentially pay more for "Made in America" products.

Wages are up inflation slowing the tax cuts target the middle class and elderly net pay will increase next year as withholding drops. Prices will continue to drop. Gas is low. This is the Trump economy