Trump put down a $3 million retainer fee for a lawyer for the classified documents case. Why?

[beagle9]

Lol oh really? What the fuck is he waiting for?

Letting the case build up, then BAM..

 

[Leviticus]

You ARE kidding, right? He was feckin' PROVEN innocent over 4 years and the assaults just keep on comin'. Next time you have an interaction with law enforcement, be sure and answer all their questions at length and without legal counsel.

Except he's already been proven guilty in this case. He stole the document from the white house, and had them at his mansion. What is not to understand.

Now he is claiming two separely and completely contradictory defenses.....
1; That none of the documents he had were classified because he had them all declassified with his mind.
The problem with this is that even if he ordered them to be declassified (which he can't do in the case of any documents involving nuclear weapons), they are not legally declassified until the classification headers on the documents are changed. All the documents still said they were classified, and so they were still legally classified. Either Trump is full of shit or everyone who worked for him forgot to do their jobs.

2; That none of the documents h had were EVER classified, and that the FBI and National Archives are all out to get him by planting a bunch of classified documents after the fact.


Do you get it. On one hand he claims that he DID have classified documents but declassified them before taking them,


and on the other, that he never took any documents that were EVER classified and that they are all be planted.



In the end, it doesn't matter if the documents were classified or not. They were still Presidential documents belonging to the Office of the President, not to the President himself. Taking them is a felony, under the Presidential Records Act,, whether they were classified or not.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Except he's already been proven guilty in this case.

No he hasn't! Not in a court of law, only in the collective hive mind of you demented avenger subverted demoralized zombies!!!

 

[Leviticus]

No he hasn't! Not in a court of law, only in the collective hive mind of you demented avenger subverted demoralized zombies!!!

Being convicted and being proven guilty are two different things......I mean, OJ Simpson wasn't convicted, but everyone knows he murdered his wife and got away with it because he was famous.

Trump admitted he took the documents. He's admitted his guilty already. Now he's just trying to justify it and/or claim that it wasn't illegal, which it was.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Being convicted and being proven guilty are two different things......I mean, OJ Simpson wasn't convicted, but everyone knows he murdered his wife and got away with it because he was famous.

Trump admitted he took the documents. He's admitted his guilty already. Now he's just trying to justify it and/or claim that it wasn't illegal, which it was.

You demented avenger subverted demoralized zombies are out of your minds! I can't wait for November 8th!!!!!!
Your witch hunt will come to an END, and the tables will be turned on to the treasonous actors of this six year CLOWN SHOW!!!!

 

[Esdraelon]

In the end, it doesn't matter if the documents were classified or not. They were still Presidential documents belonging to the Office of the President, not to the President himself. Taking them is a felony, under the Presidential Records Act,, whether they were classified or not.

Then prosecutors need to get busy with an investigation followed by indictments for Obama. In fact most presidents did exactly what Trump did. But we both know that they won't be held accountable. The amusing part of all of this is that Trump can be indicted, given a "trial" in DC followed by a certain conviction and still run for the presidency.

The sooner you folks understand this, the better off will your mental health be.

 

[d0gbreath]

DJT will never be indicted. Love him, or hate him, that man can game the system better than I've ever seen before.

 

[lennypartiv]

Trump admitted he took the documents. He's admitted his guilty already. Now he's just trying to justify it and/or claim that it wasn't illegal, which it was.

Trump already declassified all those documents.

 

[dudmuck]

Trump already declassified all those documents.

 

[Leviticus]

Trump already declassified all those documents.

They still had their classifiation markers, and so they were still classified. As much as Trump and his supporters, want it to be true, the President doesn't have the ability to declassify at will. He has the authority to ORDER documents to be declassified, but the markers have to be changed for the declassification to be official, and if the markers are not properly changed, then the documents are still considered classified.
And it doesn't matter if they were declassified or not. They were still the property of the Office of the President, and under the Presidential Records Act, it is a federal crime to take them without permission. ALL records of the Office of the President have to be given to the Natinal Archives. It's a crime to take any records, classified or not, without the permission of the National Archives.

 

[bripat9643]

They still had their classifiation markers, and so they were still classified.

That isn't the law, moron. They are declassified the minute Trump says they are.

As much as Trump and his supporters, want it to be true, the President doesn't have the ability to declassify at will.

Yes he does.

He has the authority to ORDER documents to be declassified, but the markers have to be changed for the declassification to be official, and if the markers are not properly changed, then the documents are still considered classified.
And it doesn't matter if they were declassified or not. They were still the property of the Office of the President, and under the Presidential Records Act, it is a federal crime to take them without permission. ALL records of the Office of the President have to be given to the Natinal Archives. It's a crime to take any records, classified or not, without the permission of the National Archives.

Show us where the law says that.

 

[Care4all]

That isn't the law, moron. They are declassified the minute Trump says they are.


Yes he does.



Show us where the law says that.

Stop being a dufus.

A president, declassifying a document HAS TO tell someone to declassify it, so that the document can be declassified with markings, so that all govt positions with access to the document, like the. Secretary of Defense or secretary of State know it has been lowered in classification status. OUR GOVT ALL HAVE TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH INFORMATION.

Also, NARA who handles the freedom of information act requests know what can be exposed and released to the public. The classified status markings is what determines whether the FOIA request for a document, can be released. Classified markings on any document is how the govt knows what is classified, or what is not.

A president can not just THINK he has declassified a document and it is automatically declassified.

That's just silly nonsense.

 

[Care4all]

Trump already declassified all those documents.

How do you know that he did? How does any govt worker know that he declassified a document that was classified top secret?

 

[bripat9643]

Stop being a dufus.

A president, declassifying a document HAS TO tell someone to declassify it, so that the document can be declassified with markings, so that all govt positions with access to the document, like the. Secretary of Defense or secretary of State know it has been lowered in classification status. OUR GOVT ALL HAVE TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH INFORMATION.

Also, NARA who handles the freedom of information act requests know what can be exposed and released to the public. The classified status markings is what determines whether the FOIA request for a document, can be released. Classified markings on any document is how the govt knows what is classified, or what is not.

A president can not just THINK he has declassified a document and it is automatically declassified.

That's just silly nonsense.

Quit pretending you know something about the law. We all know that you're a prog moron. Your claims about the law are Dim talking points - lies, in other words.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Except he's already been proven guilty in this case. He stole the document from the white house, and had them at his mansion. What is not to understand.

Now he is claiming two separely and completely contradictory defenses.....
1; That none of the documents he had were classified because he had them all declassified with his mind.
The problem with this is that even if he ordered them to be declassified (which he can't do in the case of any documents involving nuclear weapons), they are not legally declassified until the classification headers on the documents are changed. All the documents still said they were classified, and so they were still legally classified. Either Trump is full of shit or everyone who worked for him forgot to do their jobs.

2; That none of the documents h had were EVER classified, and that the FBI and National Archives are all out to get him by planting a bunch of classified documents after the fact.


Do you get it. On one hand he claims that he DID have classified documents but declassified them before taking them,


and on the other, that he never took any documents that were EVER classified and that they are all be planted.



In the end, it doesn't matter if the documents were classified or not. They were still Presidential documents belonging to the Office of the President, not to the President himself. Taking them is a felony, under the Presidential Records Act,, whether they were classified or not.

/----/ "Except he's already been proven guilty in this case."
Thats news to me. By what court?

 

[Care4all]

Quit pretending you know something about the law. We all know that you're a prog moron. Your claims about the law are Dim talking points - lies, in other words.

They are not lies silly one, they are procedures that are followed, under the law as it stands, for our National Security of documents.

Why would you even think that we as a NATION would not have procedures to protect our top secret national security intelligence from our enemies? Huh?

 

[bripat9643]

They are not lies silly one, they are procedures that are followed, under the law as it stands, for our National Security of documents.

Why would you even think that we as a NATION would not have procedures to protect our top secret national security intelligence from our enemies? Huh?

Your claims are nothing but lies.

We have procedures. Just not the ones you claim.

 

[Nostra]

What you need to know about the 4 major criminal probes into Donald Trump

Keeping track of all the criminal investigations of Trump isn’t easy, so we did it for you.

www.vox.com

tons of crimes.

I see no statutes listed he supposedly violated, and zero charges.

Major fail.

Please try again, Simp.

and Vox?

 

[Nostra]

Violation of the espionage act by taking documents that belong in the national archives.
Tax evasion by undervaluing properties, while simultaneously overvaluing them to get loans.
Illegal interference in the Georgia state election.
And then obstruction of justice all around.

is it really necessary for me to describe this because you wont read?

You have quite the imagination.

How come zero charges?

 

[Nostra]

indictments come first, then trial, and lastly convictions.

Any. Day. Now.

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