Trump orders American troops to retreat

[miketx]

Uh-oh. Double uh-oh! Now there is a second whistleblower, this one with first-hand knowledge of events.

So, what does Trump do? What he always does. He replaces one moronic decision -- asking two foreign powers to interfere in our Presidential election -- with another moronic decision. Why? To change the subject, of course. In this case, ordering the retreat of American troops in Syria, enabling the Turks to annihilate our allies, the Kurds, in northern Syria. Turkey regards the Kurds as terrorists, and Kurdish rebellions against the Turks go back two centuries.

It is important to know that it was the Kurds, along with the Syrian rebels, who did the fighting and destroyed the ISIS caliphate in Syria. The Kurds were the effective fighting force that eliminated the ISIS caliphate in Iraq. The Iraqi army contributed.

Now Trump orders the abandonment of that ally. Betrayed by Trump and forced to fight a potentially bloody conflict with Turkey, the Kurdish-led forces will likely abandon any further effort to control ISIS. The U.S. troops in Syria will then be forced to withdraw entirely, which would be a major victory for Russia and open the way for Iran to entrench its forces along Israel’s northern border. U.S. allies around the world meanwhile will have reason to question whether they should cooperate with the Trump government that so casually abandons military partners.

It goes to the depravity of our military's leadership under the non-military Trump that Joint Chief Chairman Gen. Mark Milley and Defense Secretary Mark Esper were not surprised by Trump's decision.

The militarily ignorant Trump intends to replace American troops with rhetoric. “As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!),” Trump tweeted.

"In my great and unmatched wisdom." One of two things are true. Trump has become a stand-up comic or he is losing his mind. In any case, he is not the least bit funny.

However, not to worry. This is a con. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Syria envoy Brett McGurk resigned from their positions in December over Trump’s call for a complete U.S. withdrawal, which Trump later reversed because of the heat he received from Republicans. The same thing is happening all over again. Even Mitch McConnell and Fox and Friends joined the chorus of abuse heaped upon our Commander-in-Chief (please don't laugh). When the Framers gave command of the military to the President they never dreamed that Americans would chose an incompetent idiot like Trump.

Trump will take this Republican abuse for a day or two, then he will change his mind and blame the decision on someone else. After all, the cowardly decision was only meant as a diversion from the impeachment drama.

I have no idea why over 60 million Americans support Trump. I wonder if they know why. They don't support him very well. Trump's detractors walk all over Trump, and his fans say very little.

This source contributed to this report: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...c9880a-e91e-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

Already debunked as another fake news lie, parrot.

 

[Claudette]

I don't understand the point of fighting a war you have no intention of winning.

If we go to meet an enemy, destroy them outright and come home. Don't stay and build hospitals and make nice and try to democratize them.

Crush them and leave.

Yup. Fight the war. Beat the enemy and go home. Let them rebuild their country.

Hearts and minds my ass.

 

[Slade3200]

Thanks for sharing. Do you have any idea what the situation is out there or are you just speaking in platitudes?

I know that we cannot fix the Middle East. And that we are pouring our blood and treasure into the sand, with no real goal or endgame in sight.

so that’s a no?
Read up on the Kurds and what we did with them in order to take out ISIS. Look at the promises we made them and what they did to their forts along the Turkish border. Let me know what you find

Why? DOes it in some way, refute my points above?

well that goes back to my original question asking whether you are speaking In platitudes or if you have knowledge about and are speaking to this specific situation

My knowledge of the situation is that we cannot fix the Middle East. They are, for the foreseeable future, going to be a fucking mess.


Do you have information to challenge that point?

I won’t challenge that point, I agree. I also don’t see what it has to do with this situation

 

[Slade3200]

Thanks for sharing. Do you have any idea what the situation is out there or are you just speaking in platitudes?

I presume you’re stationed at the moment with Kurdish troops.

Nope. I’m nice and cozy here in the USA. bless the guys who are out there keeping us safe

Which nullifies your response to Correll.

why?

Your logic...
Since none of us are anywhere near the things we comment on, we have no right to comment on anything.

not even close to my logic. If you need to make up narratives to win argument then that’s pretty sad. I never said a word about being near. Just informed

 

[Slade3200]

I'm new here and I'm guessing you don't appreciate President Trump . That's fine with me but I kinda like having a leader that's up front with his ideas and doesn't bullshit the baker - but that's only me being me .

What do you think of his actual idea and now action of pulling troops?

He campaigned on bringing them home. He had tried earlier and buckled under pressure to keep them in these shitholes.
For the OP to PRETEND this is a diversion tactic it just dumb.

not dumb at all. Trump has a history of doing shit like this to change the narrative. It’s all a big game to him

 

[Indeependent]

I presume you’re stationed at the moment with Kurdish troops.

Nope. I’m nice and cozy here in the USA. bless the guys who are out there keeping us safe

Which nullifies your response to Correll.

why?

Your logic...
Since none of us are anywhere near the things we comment on, we have no right to comment on anything.

not even close to my logic. If you need to make up narratives to win argument then that’s pretty sad. I never said a word about being near. Just informed

When you sit in a committee, you can comment on politics.
We know no more about what’s going on with local politics than we know about what’s going on in the Middle East.

 

[Slade3200]

Nope. I’m nice and cozy here in the USA. bless the guys who are out there keeping us safe

Which nullifies your response to Correll.

why?

Your logic...
Since none of us are anywhere near the things we comment on, we have no right to comment on anything.

not even close to my logic. If you need to make up narratives to win argument then that’s pretty sad. I never said a word about being near. Just informed

When you sit in a committee, you can comment on politics.
We know no more about what’s going on with local politics than we know about what’s going on in the Middle East.

so what’s your point? Since we don’t know everything we shouldn’t say anything?

 

[Indeependent]

Which nullifies your response to Correll.

why?

Your logic...
Since none of us are anywhere near the things we comment on, we have no right to comment on anything.

not even close to my logic. If you need to make up narratives to win argument then that’s pretty sad. I never said a word about being near. Just informed

When you sit in a committee, you can comment on politics.
We know no more about what’s going on with local politics than we know about what’s going on in the Middle East.

so what’s your point? Since we don’t know everything we shouldn’t say anything?

I’m only responding to your response to Correll.

 

[The Original Tree]

Uh-oh. Double uh-oh! Now there is a second whistleblower, this one with first-hand knowledge of events.

So, what does Trump do? What he always does. He replaces one moronic decision -- asking two foreign powers to interfere in our Presidential election -- with another moronic decision. Why? To change the subject, of course. In this case, ordering the retreat of American troops in Syria, enabling the Turks to annihilate our allies, the Kurds, in northern Syria. Turkey regards the Kurds as terrorists, and Kurdish rebellions against the Turks go back two centuries.

It is important to know that it was the Kurds, along with the Syrian rebels, who did the fighting and destroyed the ISIS caliphate in Syria. The Kurds were the effective fighting force that eliminated the ISIS caliphate in Iraq. The Iraqi army contributed.

Now Trump orders the abandonment of that ally. Betrayed by Trump and forced to fight a potentially bloody conflict with Turkey, the Kurdish-led forces will likely abandon any further effort to control ISIS. The U.S. troops in Syria will then be forced to withdraw entirely, which would be a major victory for Russia and open the way for Iran to entrench its forces along Israel’s northern border. U.S. allies around the world meanwhile will have reason to question whether they should cooperate with the Trump government that so casually abandons military partners.

It goes to the depravity of our military's leadership under the non-military Trump that Joint Chief Chairman Gen. Mark Milley and Defense Secretary Mark Esper were not surprised by Trump's decision.

The militarily ignorant Trump intends to replace American troops with rhetoric. “As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!),” Trump tweeted.

"In my great and unmatched wisdom." One of two things are true. Trump has become a stand-up comic or he is losing his mind. In any case, he is not the least bit funny.

However, not to worry. This is a con. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Syria envoy Brett McGurk resigned from their positions in December over Trump’s call for a complete U.S. withdrawal, which Trump later reversed because of the heat he received from Republicans. The same thing is happening all over again. Even Mitch McConnell and Fox and Friends joined the chorus of abuse heaped upon our Commander-in-Chief (please don't laugh). When the Framers gave command of the military to the President they never dreamed that Americans would chose an incompetent idiot like Trump.

Trump will take this Republican abuse for a day or two, then he will change his mind and blame the decision on someone else. After all, the cowardly decision was only meant as a diversion from the impeachment drama.

I have no idea why over 60 million Americans support Trump. I wonder if they know why. They don't support him very well. Trump's detractors walk all over Trump, and his fans say very little.

This source contributed to this report: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...c9880a-e91e-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

I thought this was about The Secret Hearings, with Secret Accusers, and Secret Accusations, and Secret Transcripts kept Secret from The American Public.

Cuz.... Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler want TRANSPARENCY, cuz they be Honest Blokes, they are.

 

[Indeependent]

Uh-oh. Double uh-oh! Now there is a second whistleblower, this one with first-hand knowledge of events.

So, what does Trump do? What he always does. He replaces one moronic decision -- asking two foreign powers to interfere in our Presidential election -- with another moronic decision. Why? To change the subject, of course. In this case, ordering the retreat of American troops in Syria, enabling the Turks to annihilate our allies, the Kurds, in northern Syria. Turkey regards the Kurds as terrorists, and Kurdish rebellions against the Turks go back two centuries.

It is important to know that it was the Kurds, along with the Syrian rebels, who did the fighting and destroyed the ISIS caliphate in Syria. The Kurds were the effective fighting force that eliminated the ISIS caliphate in Iraq. The Iraqi army contributed.

Now Trump orders the abandonment of that ally. Betrayed by Trump and forced to fight a potentially bloody conflict with Turkey, the Kurdish-led forces will likely abandon any further effort to control ISIS. The U.S. troops in Syria will then be forced to withdraw entirely, which would be a major victory for Russia and open the way for Iran to entrench its forces along Israel’s northern border. U.S. allies around the world meanwhile will have reason to question whether they should cooperate with the Trump government that so casually abandons military partners.

It goes to the depravity of our military's leadership under the non-military Trump that Joint Chief Chairman Gen. Mark Milley and Defense Secretary Mark Esper were not surprised by Trump's decision.

The militarily ignorant Trump intends to replace American troops with rhetoric. “As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!),” Trump tweeted.

"In my great and unmatched wisdom." One of two things are true. Trump has become a stand-up comic or he is losing his mind. In any case, he is not the least bit funny.

However, not to worry. This is a con. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Syria envoy Brett McGurk resigned from their positions in December over Trump’s call for a complete U.S. withdrawal, which Trump later reversed because of the heat he received from Republicans. The same thing is happening all over again. Even Mitch McConnell and Fox and Friends joined the chorus of abuse heaped upon our Commander-in-Chief (please don't laugh). When the Framers gave command of the military to the President they never dreamed that Americans would chose an incompetent idiot like Trump.

Trump will take this Republican abuse for a day or two, then he will change his mind and blame the decision on someone else. After all, the cowardly decision was only meant as a diversion from the impeachment drama.

I have no idea why over 60 million Americans support Trump. I wonder if they know why. They don't support him very well. Trump's detractors walk all over Trump, and his fans say very little.

This source contributed to this report: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...c9880a-e91e-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

I thought this was about The Secret Hearings, with Secret Accusers, and Secret Accusations, and Secret Transcripts kept Secret from The American Public.

Shhhh...it’s a shhhheeekritttt.

 

[Slade3200]

why?

Your logic...
Since none of us are anywhere near the things we comment on, we have no right to comment on anything.

not even close to my logic. If you need to make up narratives to win argument then that’s pretty sad. I never said a word about being near. Just informed

When you sit in a committee, you can comment on politics.
We know no more about what’s going on with local politics than we know about what’s going on in the Middle East.

so what’s your point? Since we don’t know everything we shouldn’t say anything?

I’m only responding to your response to Correll.

so what’s your point? I was asking if she was speaking in Platitudes or if she had knowledge about this specific situation. Now secret, have to be there knowledge, but a basic awareness of the relationships, history and actions between us and the Kurds. Is that not a fair question in your mind?

 

[The Original Tree]

Uh-oh. Double uh-oh! Now there is a second whistleblower, this one with first-hand knowledge of events.

So, what does Trump do? What he always does. He replaces one moronic decision -- asking two foreign powers to interfere in our Presidential election -- with another moronic decision. Why? To change the subject, of course. In this case, ordering the retreat of American troops in Syria, enabling the Turks to annihilate our allies, the Kurds, in northern Syria. Turkey regards the Kurds as terrorists, and Kurdish rebellions against the Turks go back two centuries.

It is important to know that it was the Kurds, along with the Syrian rebels, who did the fighting and destroyed the ISIS caliphate in Syria. The Kurds were the effective fighting force that eliminated the ISIS caliphate in Iraq. The Iraqi army contributed.

Now Trump orders the abandonment of that ally. Betrayed by Trump and forced to fight a potentially bloody conflict with Turkey, the Kurdish-led forces will likely abandon any further effort to control ISIS. The U.S. troops in Syria will then be forced to withdraw entirely, which would be a major victory for Russia and open the way for Iran to entrench its forces along Israel’s northern border. U.S. allies around the world meanwhile will have reason to question whether they should cooperate with the Trump government that so casually abandons military partners.

It goes to the depravity of our military's leadership under the non-military Trump that Joint Chief Chairman Gen. Mark Milley and Defense Secretary Mark Esper were not surprised by Trump's decision.

The militarily ignorant Trump intends to replace American troops with rhetoric. “As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!),” Trump tweeted.

"In my great and unmatched wisdom." One of two things are true. Trump has become a stand-up comic or he is losing his mind. In any case, he is not the least bit funny.

However, not to worry. This is a con. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Syria envoy Brett McGurk resigned from their positions in December over Trump’s call for a complete U.S. withdrawal, which Trump later reversed because of the heat he received from Republicans. The same thing is happening all over again. Even Mitch McConnell and Fox and Friends joined the chorus of abuse heaped upon our Commander-in-Chief (please don't laugh). When the Framers gave command of the military to the President they never dreamed that Americans would chose an incompetent idiot like Trump.

Trump will take this Republican abuse for a day or two, then he will change his mind and blame the decision on someone else. After all, the cowardly decision was only meant as a diversion from the impeachment drama.

I have no idea why over 60 million Americans support Trump. I wonder if they know why. They don't support him very well. Trump's detractors walk all over Trump, and his fans say very little.

This source contributed to this report: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...c9880a-e91e-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

I thought this was about The Secret Hearings, with Secret Accusers, and Secret Accusations, and Secret Transcripts kept Secret from The American Public.

Shhhh...it’s a shhhheeekritttt.

Can't wait for The SECRET VOTE on an Actual Secret Impeachment Inquiry.

Only the media will know all the details about it, cuz Adam Schiff cannot keep a secret.

 

[Indeependent]

Your logic...
Since none of us are anywhere near the things we comment on, we have no right to comment on anything.

not even close to my logic. If you need to make up narratives to win argument then that’s pretty sad. I never said a word about being near. Just informed

When you sit in a committee, you can comment on politics.
We know no more about what’s going on with local politics than we know about what’s going on in the Middle East.

so what’s your point? Since we don’t know everything we shouldn’t say anything?

I’m only responding to your response to Correll.

so what’s your point? I was asking if she was speaking in Platitudes or if she had knowledge about this specific situation. Now secret, have to be there knowledge, but a basic awareness of the relationships, history and actions between us and the Kurds. Is that not a fair question in your mind?

We all speak in platitudes.
None of us are attorneys or politicians.

 

[Correll]

I know that we cannot fix the Middle East. And that we are pouring our blood and treasure into the sand, with no real goal or endgame in sight.

so that’s a no?
Read up on the Kurds and what we did with them in order to take out ISIS. Look at the promises we made them and what they did to their forts along the Turkish border. Let me know what you find

Why? DOes it in some way, refute my points above?

well that goes back to my original question asking whether you are speaking In platitudes or if you have knowledge about and are speaking to this specific situation

My knowledge of the situation is that we cannot fix the Middle East. They are, for the foreseeable future, going to be a fucking mess.


Do you have information to challenge that point?

I won’t challenge that point, I agree. I also don’t see what it has to do with this situation

Because thus, there is no point to them being there. As I already stated.

 

[ekrem]

It was the only right choice.
US soldiers are 2-3 miles away from NATO's 2nd largest Army determined to enter North-East Syria

 

[ekrem]

Unfortunately, Turkey has chosen to act unilaterally. As a result we have moved the U.S. forces in northern Syria out of the path of potential Turkish incursion to ensure their safety.
Statement From Jonathan Hoffman, Chief Pentagon Spokesman > U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE > Release

 

[Slade3200]

not even close to my logic. If you need to make up narratives to win argument then that’s pretty sad. I never said a word about being near. Just informed

When you sit in a committee, you can comment on politics.
We know no more about what’s going on with local politics than we know about what’s going on in the Middle East.

so what’s your point? Since we don’t know everything we shouldn’t say anything?

I’m only responding to your response to Correll.

so what’s your point? I was asking if she was speaking in Platitudes or if she had knowledge about this specific situation. Now secret, have to be there knowledge, but a basic awareness of the relationships, history and actions between us and the Kurds. Is that not a fair question in your mind?

We all speak in platitudes.
None of us are attorneys or politicians.

so? Are you trolling me or do you really not understand my line of questioning?

 

[Slade3200]

so that’s a no?
Read up on the Kurds and what we did with them in order to take out ISIS. Look at the promises we made them and what they did to their forts along the Turkish border. Let me know what you find

Why? DOes it in some way, refute my points above?

well that goes back to my original question asking whether you are speaking In platitudes or if you have knowledge about and are speaking to this specific situation

My knowledge of the situation is that we cannot fix the Middle East. They are, for the foreseeable future, going to be a fucking mess.


Do you have information to challenge that point?

I won’t challenge that point, I agree. I also don’t see what it has to do with this situation

how about to uphold a promise. Protect the Kurds? If we say we will do something, work with thousands of people to disarm and Watch them die fighting with is on a common cause, don’t you think we have a responsibility to be smart, tactical and collaborative about how we pull out?

did you support Obama’s move when he pulled out of Iraq? Are you happy with the results of that?



Because thus, there is no point to them being there. As I already stated.

 

[Correll]

Why? DOes it in some way, refute my points above?

well that goes back to my original question asking whether you are speaking In platitudes or if you have knowledge about and are speaking to this specific situation

My knowledge of the situation is that we cannot fix the Middle East. They are, for the foreseeable future, going to be a fucking mess.


Do you have information to challenge that point?

I won’t challenge that point, I agree. I also don’t see what it has to do with this situation

how about to uphold a promise. Protect the Kurds? If we say we will do something, work with thousands of people to disarm and Watch them die fighting with is on a common cause, don’t you think we have a responsibility to be smart, tactical and collaborative about how we pull out?

did you support Obama’s move when he pulled out of Iraq? Are you happy with the results of that?



Because thus, there is no point to them being there. As I already stated.

Who promised the Kurds that we would always be there? And on who's Authority did he do that?

 

[Desperado]

Trump is doing the right thing. Not our circus, not our monkeys