Trump looks weaker than Neville Chamberland as he sells out democracy

[NetJedi]

Here we go, the Democrats will break out their antique politicians, shout slogans and generate more viral clips of making themselves looking ridiculous to protest PEACE in Ukraine.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present, Democrats; the Party of War, Waste, Fraud, Abuse, Censorship and Men in Women's Sports.

 

[TimFitz]

Trump is just a very weak negotiator..

Trump could have very easily said:

• Everyone keeps the land they got
• Russia will remain under crippling tarrifs indefinitely.
• Ukraine will be let into NATO and EU.
• Georgia will also be let into NATO and EU.
• If combat continues
  • Ukraine will be rented stealth bombers and Mercenary Airforce and crew. They will bomb every antiaircraft, airbase and supply link in the area
  • EU will lend a non stealth bombers and finish the job
  • The Mercenary airforce will create a corridor to Mariupol and bomb the Bridge. This will cut off Crimea.
  • Weapons to Ukraine would be heavilly increased as would money for Mercenary Army (Furlougs would be given to NATO troops will ing to join on Double/Triple pay)
  • We will take half the Donbass and any other area which is Ukraine Majority... Don't want those fuckers in EU, leaves Ukraine with comfortable majority Ukrainian..
  • When all finished Crimea will be in Ukraine hands and land swaps will be arranged in land swaps...

Now ***** (Putin)!, that is my opening offer, what the **** are you going to do about that?

And ***** if you mention Nuclear, remember you are a wealthy man with a lot to loose... I will kill everyone you know or related too.. Nuclear is not an option for you, you would finish up like Gadaffi or Saddam... You family would go the same way...

That seems a fair start...

Putin has made it claear that his objective is conquest of Ukraine.

You outlined a real counter offer.

Instead, we got cowardice.

 

[Independent thinker]

So Trumps idea of obtaining peace in Ukraine is total and unconditional SURRENDER!

Russia keeps all the land they illegally stole from Ukraine .

Trump is disloyal to the United States and democracy and is obviously conspiring with Putin, or being blackmailed by Putin.

Trump is an enemy of the Constitution. He is engaged in tearing down the checks on his power.

Already our closest and most loyal allies have been turned against us. NATO, the most successful alliance in history on the verge of being shattered.

This is the most shameful and cowardly performance ever by a U.S. president


MAGA. the red lights are flashing... arrest this traitor!

Maybe you could post the details of the plan, not your opinions. Was Ukraine winning? They were losing anyway.

 

[Lesh]

YOU might want Russia out of Ukraine. The democrat political class just wants the war to go on.

It would come as no surprise to find out that democrats are sending aid to Russia using one of their NGOs

And you “know” this how?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Maybe you could post the details of the plan, not your opinions. Was Ukraine winning? They were losing anyway.

Ukraine can't win, they never could without the US, NATO or nukes.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Trump is just a very weak negotiator..

Trump could have very easily said:

• Everyone keeps the land they got
• Russia will remain under crippling tarrifs indefinitely.
• Ukraine will be let into NATO and EU.
• Georgia will also be let into NATO and EU.
• If combat continues
  • Ukraine will be rented stealth bombers and Mercenary Airforce and crew. They will bomb every antiaircraft, airbase and supply link in the area
  • EU will lend a non stealth bombers and finish the job
  • The Mercenary airforce will create a corridor to Mariupol and bomb the Bridge. This will cut off Crimea.
  • Weapons to Ukraine would be heavilly increased as would money for Mercenary Army (Furlougs would be given to NATO troops will ing to join on Double/Triple pay)
  • We will take half the Donbass and any other area which is Ukraine Majority... Don't want those fuckers in EU, leaves Ukraine with comfortable majority Ukrainian..
  • When all finished Crimea will be in Ukraine hands and land swaps will be arranged in land swaps...

Now ***** (Putin)!, that is my opening offer, what the **** are you going to do about that?

And ***** if you mention Nuclear, remember you are a wealthy man with a lot to loose... I will kill everyone you know or related too.. Nuclear is not an option for you, you would finish up like Gadaffi or Saddam... You family would go the same way...

That seems a fair start...

All you demented zombies have are fever dream NARRATIVES as Trump is going to END THIS STUPID WAR.
Your spinning, twisting, whirling, and CRYING doesn't mean SHIT otherwise to illustrate how FUCKED IN THE HEAD you idiots really are.
Damn.

 

[Blaster]

Putin is a threat to world stability.

Bullshit

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Trump is just a very weak negotiator..

Trump could have very easily said:

• Everyone keeps the land they got
• Russia will remain under crippling tarrifs indefinitely.
• Ukraine will be let into NATO and EU.
• Georgia will also be let into NATO and EU.
• If combat continues
  • Ukraine will be rented stealth bombers and Mercenary Airforce and crew. They will bomb every antiaircraft, airbase and supply link in the area
  • EU will lend a non stealth bombers and finish the job
  • The Mercenary airforce will create a corridor to Mariupol and bomb the Bridge. This will cut off Crimea.
  • Weapons to Ukraine would be heavilly increased as would money for Mercenary Army (Furlougs would be given to NATO troops will ing to join on Double/Triple pay)
  • We will take half the Donbass and any other area which is Ukraine Majority... Don't want those fuckers in EU, leaves Ukraine with comfortable majority Ukrainian..
  • When all finished Crimea will be in Ukraine hands and land swaps will be arranged in land swaps...

Now ***** (Putin)!, that is my opening offer, what the **** are you going to do about that?

And ***** if you mention Nuclear, remember you are a wealthy man with a lot to loose... I will kill everyone you know or related too.. Nuclear is not an option for you, you would finish up like Gadaffi or Saddam... You family would go the same way...

That seems a fair start...

Russia will never permit Ukraine to join NATO. If Russia went nuclear, the first bombs wouldnt fall on Ukraine. Likely Washington.

If Ukraine tried to take Crimea back, it would be a Ukrainian graveyard. You have no concept of how much Crimeans hate Ukraine. Bloodthirsty Crimean grandmothers would be slitting throats in the street.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

All you demented zombies have are fever dream NARRATIVES as Trump is going to END THIS STUPID WAR.
Your spinning, twisting, whirling, and CRYING doesn't mean SHIT otherwise to illustrate how FUCKED IN THE HEAD you idiots really are.
Damn.

And it will be a negotiated peace with both sides winning and losing.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

And you “know” this how?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised. The only one benefitting from this war are democrats. It's to their interest to keep it going as long as possible.

 

[Lesh]

I wouldn't be a bit surprised. The only one benefitting from this war are democrats. It's to their interest to keep it going as long as possible.

So you have gone from pompous claims to “ I wouldn’t be surprised…” nonsense?

What a self own that was

 

[Rawley]

Trump is just a very weak negotiator..

Trump could have very easily said:

• Everyone keeps the land they got
• Russia will remain under crippling tarrifs indefinitely.
• Ukraine will be let into NATO and EU.
• Georgia will also be let into NATO and EU.
• If combat continues
  • Ukraine will be rented stealth bombers and Mercenary Airforce and crew. They will bomb every antiaircraft, airbase and supply link in the area
  • EU will lend a non stealth bombers and finish the job
  • The Mercenary airforce will create a corridor to Mariupol and bomb the Bridge. This will cut off Crimea.
  • Weapons to Ukraine would be heavilly increased as would money for Mercenary Army (Furlougs would be given to NATO troops will ing to join on Double/Triple pay)
  • We will take half the Donbass and any other area which is Ukraine Majority... Don't want those fuckers in EU, leaves Ukraine with comfortable majority Ukrainian..
  • When all finished Crimea will be in Ukraine hands and land swaps will be arranged in land swaps...

Now ***** (Putin)!, that is my opening offer, what the **** are you going to do about that?

And ***** if you mention Nuclear, remember you are a wealthy man with a lot to loose... I will kill everyone you know or related too.. Nuclear is not an option for you, you would finish up like Gadaffi or Saddam... You family would go the same way...

That seems a fair start...

Any particular reason Biden hadn't proposed this anytime in the last four years?

 

[Independent thinker]

Ukraine can't win, they never could without the US, NATO or nukes.

Reminds me of an original Star Trek episode. Kirk goes to a planet and finds out the Klingons have been arming one side of the planet against the other in a war. So, Kirk decides to arm the other side to match exactly what the Klingons have been doing with their side, not more to win the war, just equal. Then the Klingons arm their side more and, once again, Kirk arms his side more to exactly match, not enough to win. So, both sides are kept in a perpetual state of an equally matched war that will go on and on forever, with neither side ever winning. There is no point to keep on giving Ukraine endless blank checks of our money in order to maintain a war that they will never win.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Reminds me of an original Star Trek episode. Kirk goes to a planet and finds out the Klingons have been arming one side of the planet against the other in a war. So, Kirk decides to arm the other side to match exactly what the Klingons have been doing with their side, not more to win the war, just equal. Then the Klingons arm their side more and, once again, Kirk arms his side more to exactly match, not enough to win. So, both sides are kept in a perpetual state of and equally matched war that will go on and on forever, with neither side ever winning. There is no point to keep to giving Ukraine endless blank checks to maintain a war that they will never win.

Zelensky knows the money spigot is about to be turned off

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Trump is just a very weak negotiator..

Trump could have very easily said:

• Everyone keeps the land they got
• Russia will remain under crippling tarrifs indefinitely.
• Ukraine will be let into NATO and EU.
• Georgia will also be let into NATO and EU.
• If combat continues
  • Ukraine will be rented stealth bombers and Mercenary Airforce and crew. They will bomb every antiaircraft, airbase and supply link in the area
  • EU will lend a non stealth bombers and finish the job
  • The Mercenary airforce will create a corridor to Mariupol and bomb the Bridge. This will cut off Crimea.
  • Weapons to Ukraine would be heavilly increased as would money for Mercenary Army (Furlougs would be given to NATO troops will ing to join on Double/Triple pay)
  • We will take half the Donbass and any other area which is Ukraine Majority... Don't want those fuckers in EU, leaves Ukraine with comfortable majority Ukrainian..
  • When all finished Crimea will be in Ukraine hands and land swaps will be arranged in land swaps...

Now ***** (Putin)!, that is my opening offer, what the **** are you going to do about that?

And ***** if you mention Nuclear, remember you are a wealthy man with a lot to loose... I will kill everyone you know or related too.. Nuclear is not an option for you, you would finish up like Gadaffi or Saddam... You family would go the same way...

That seems a fair start...

That’s hilarious. Keep them coming!

 

[Lesh]

Reminds me of an original Star Trek episode. Kirk goes to a planet and finds out the Klingons have been arming one side of the planet against the other in a war. So, Kirk decides to arm the other side to match exactly what the Klingons have been doing with their side, not more to win the war, just equal. Then the Klingons arm their side more and, once again, Kirk arms his side more to exactly match, not enough to win. So, both sides are kept in a perpetual state of an equally matched war that will go on and on forever, with neither side ever winning. There is no point to keep on giving Ukraine endless blank checks of our money in order to maintain a war that they will never win.

You dope. That was satire on Vietnam

 

[TimFitz]

And he failed. The world can see that. Everyone knows it.

So , he moves to plan B, which is consolidating his gains while rebuilding his army. Putin also demands thstvUkraine be given no security guarantees by the west. Coward Trump snivelingly supports Moscow’s position.’

Which set the stage for a later Russian occupation of all of zukraine. Which Trump will stand by and support.
Unless he can demand elections and install Moscow’s man, who Trump will support.\





Just as Hitler carved off the Sudatenlandcand later occupied the rest of the country.

In any negotiation, getting a side to give up land being held requires great leverage or threats.

And? That is the core issue.

Saying it might be difficult is NOT an excuse for just giving Moscow what they demand.

Trump is a very poor negotiator, in addition to being a coward, He won’t do the hard work.

I'm not prepared to exert either in a war on the far side of the world. I don't want to see years more of ukrainians dying and I am certainly not for seeing US troops on the ground.

Why are you talking in firts person singular?

No one is arguing for us troops in Ukraine, You made that up, because you wanted to falsely portray the idea as an either/or fallacy.

That is the reality of the situation.




I do not want to committ to US troops on the ground.




"regrouped"? LOL. The weak state of the russian military is not because of some disorganization.

It is a result of a declining nation. Russia is now weaker for having fought this war than it was, and 10 years from now, it will be even weaker.

And Trump wants to give them a big leg up.

Time is not on Russia's side, and everyone knows it.

It will beif Trump delivers for them.

Ukraine will rebuild and rearm. And the next invasion is NOT inevitable. I think after this, the next russian leader will be quite hesitant to stick their dick into that hornet's nest again.

If you think that a renewed Russian invasion of Ukraine is not inevitable, you’re either deliberately obtuse, or woefully uninformed.

Putin has made his objective of conquest of Ukraine loud and clear. He has also made his objective of bringing the Iron Curtain back down loud and clear.

You are deliberately trying to pretend otherwise.

LOL. sHIT TALK.

Really? As if you actually have an argument.

So? Are you against elections in the Ukraine and if so why?

Elections in Ukraine are Ukraine’s business, not Trump’s.

I don’t see you demanding elections in Russia. Don’t pretend to support “democracy” in one country and ignore the Tsar of another one.

Putin wants them and is using his American mouthpiece to demand them.

We have already seen what Russian elections look like.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Paul Mamafort was dispatched to support Moscow’s candidate as he did before.

If the Russians install their man in Kiev to replace Zelinsky, the Russians will march right in.

That's dumb. And false.

prove it.

History is not limited to 1930-1945.

And this situation is nothing like that time period.

The situation is almost identical to the Czech crisis of 1938.

And your beloved fuhrer is holding the umbrella.

A sniveling coward and a traitor. Betraying our role as world leader.

I actually didn;’t expect to live to see such abject weakness and retreat from our role as leader of the free world.

 

[Lesh]

So why would Trump actually get on return for surrendering a nation he doesn’t control to an aggressor nation?

Well NATO Article 5 calls for defense of any nation in NATO under attack. That precludes Ukraine joining NATO as long as Russia is attacking It.

However, if the war stops , Russia keeps the territory they illegally captured and Ukraine joins NATO (meaning Article 5 keeps Russia from renewing its attacks on Ukraine)

Now that would be a compromise

Think Trump will do it?

Not a chance

 

[TimFitz]

Here we go, the Democrats will break out their antique politicians, shout slogans and generate more viral clips of making themselves looking ridiculous to protest PEACE in Ukraine.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present, Democrats; the Party of War, Waste, Fraud, Abuse, Censorship and Men in Women's Sports.

And Trump losers will try and dance around their support for their cowardly fuhrer’s sniveling capitulation to the Russian dictator.

 

[westwall]

Where did you get that?

His ass.